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Again, simply because they were appointed by God to preach the gospel and they appointed some of their listeners to help them spread the gospel (as in clerical duties but not preaching).
2 Cor 4:13 It is written: “I believed; therefore I have spoken.” b Since we have that same spirit of c faith, we also believe and therefore speak, 14because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you to himself. 15All this is for your benefit, so that the grace that is reaching more and more people may cause thanksgiving to overflow to the glory of God.
2 Pet 1:12So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have. 13I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body,14because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.
What Peter and Paul mean is that their spirit will be resurrected and will live in and continue guiding their listeners. Something you nor any other preacher today has a claim to. The reason people are lost is because they are listening to false teachers.
Luke 10:16 Whoever listens to you listens to Me; whoever rejects you rejects Me; and whoever rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me.”
If i reject your teaching today, would you claim that i have rejected God? Do you have that authority?
2 Cor 4:13 It is written: “I believed; therefore I have spoken.” b Since we have that same spirit of c faith, we also believe and therefore speak, 14because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you to himself. 15All this is for your benefit, so that the grace that is reaching more and more people may cause thanksgiving to overflow to the glory of God.
2 Pet 1:12So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have. 13I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body,14because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.
What Peter and Paul mean is that their spirit will be resurrected and will live in and continue guiding their listeners. Something you nor any other preacher today has a claim to. The reason people are lost is because they are listening to false teachers.
Luke 10:16 Whoever listens to you listens to Me; whoever rejects you rejects Me; and whoever rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me.”
If i reject your teaching today, would you claim that i have rejected God? Do you have that authority?
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some answers, given by people with their own personal interpretation, offer nothing but rocks thrown into the pond to make the level of the water seem to appear higher
in case someone does not understand that, you are not passing out water, but you are passing out rocks while trying to make it look like you are offering water
bags of rocks ^^^^^^^
in case someone does not understand that, you are not passing out water, but you are passing out rocks while trying to make it look like you are offering water
bags of rocks ^^^^^^^
The people that were appointed to preach the gospel were appointed to death because it is through their deaths that the gospel is effective:
Luke 12:49I have come to ignite a fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished!
Mark 10:
35Then James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came to Jesus and declared, “Teacher, we want You to do for us whatever we ask.”
36“What do you want Me to do for you?” He inquired.
37They answered, “Grant that one of us may sit at Your right hand and the other at Your left in Your glory.”
38“You do not know what you are asking,” Jesus replied. “Can you drink the cup I will drink, or be baptized with the baptism I will undergo?”
39“We can,” the brothers answered.
“You will drink the cup that I drink,” Jesus said, “and you will be baptized with the baptism that I undergo.40But to sit at My right or left is not Mine to grant. These seats belong to those for whom they have been prepared.”
John 6:
61Aware that His disciples were grumbling about this teaching, Jesus asked them, “Does this offend you?62Then what will happen if you see the Son of Man ascend to where He was before?
63The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
Jesus teaches the gospel. His words live on through His listeners because His words are spirit and life but Jesus' ministry was only in Jerusalem so He appointed the apostles and gave them His words (spirit) to preach the Gospel to the world. Basically, Jesus was preaching through His appointees.
Jesus refused them the authority to be called teachers and Fathers because the gospel is a command from a higher authority and if anyone listens and obeys the command, they become one with the authority because the spirit (words) will live in them.
Matt 23:8But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Christ. 11The greatest among you shall be your servant.
Yes the apostles were called teachers and Paul was even called Father but only in the sense of how people perceived them but they did not give themselves or consider themselves an authority over others. If they did that, the gospel wouldn't be effective because people would have obeyed them as opposed to obeying God who saves through His spirit.
The words or spirit lives on to their listeners after they die:
2 Cor 4:
12So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.
13And in keeping with what is written: “I believed, therefore I have spoken,”c we who have the same spirit of faith also believe and therefore speak, 14knowing that the One who raised the Lord Jesus will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you in His presence. 15All this is for your benefit, so that the grace that is extending to more and more people may overflow in thanksgiving, to the glory of God.
Teachers or preachers today are not appointed by God - meaning that God does not speak through them. They are not ordained to die for the gospel so their preaching is ineffective and obeying them is futile because you'll be obeying a self appointed authority and not God.
Luke 12:49I have come to ignite a fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished!
Mark 10:
35Then James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came to Jesus and declared, “Teacher, we want You to do for us whatever we ask.”
36“What do you want Me to do for you?” He inquired.
37They answered, “Grant that one of us may sit at Your right hand and the other at Your left in Your glory.”
38“You do not know what you are asking,” Jesus replied. “Can you drink the cup I will drink, or be baptized with the baptism I will undergo?”
39“We can,” the brothers answered.
“You will drink the cup that I drink,” Jesus said, “and you will be baptized with the baptism that I undergo.40But to sit at My right or left is not Mine to grant. These seats belong to those for whom they have been prepared.”
John 6:
61Aware that His disciples were grumbling about this teaching, Jesus asked them, “Does this offend you?62Then what will happen if you see the Son of Man ascend to where He was before?
63The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
Jesus teaches the gospel. His words live on through His listeners because His words are spirit and life but Jesus' ministry was only in Jerusalem so He appointed the apostles and gave them His words (spirit) to preach the Gospel to the world. Basically, Jesus was preaching through His appointees.
Jesus refused them the authority to be called teachers and Fathers because the gospel is a command from a higher authority and if anyone listens and obeys the command, they become one with the authority because the spirit (words) will live in them.
Matt 23:8But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Christ. 11The greatest among you shall be your servant.
Yes the apostles were called teachers and Paul was even called Father but only in the sense of how people perceived them but they did not give themselves or consider themselves an authority over others. If they did that, the gospel wouldn't be effective because people would have obeyed them as opposed to obeying God who saves through His spirit.
The words or spirit lives on to their listeners after they die:
2 Cor 4:
12So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.
13And in keeping with what is written: “I believed, therefore I have spoken,”c we who have the same spirit of faith also believe and therefore speak, 14knowing that the One who raised the Lord Jesus will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you in His presence. 15All this is for your benefit, so that the grace that is extending to more and more people may overflow in thanksgiving, to the glory of God.
Teachers or preachers today are not appointed by God - meaning that God does not speak through them. They are not ordained to die for the gospel so their preaching is ineffective and obeying them is futile because you'll be obeying a self appointed authority and not God.
"And the things that you [Timothy] have heard from me [Paul] among many witnesses, entrust these to faithful men [G444 - anthropois] who will be competent to teach others also." 2Tim2:2 [keeping in mind that this is in the context of vv.7-8 (the content, so to speak)]
What is Paul doing telling Timothy to "entrust these" to faithful anthropois "who will be competent TO TEACH OTHERS ALSO" if "teaching" is no longer a thing (after the Apostles died out--I agree that there are no longer Apostles, and certain of the sign gifts)
What is Paul doing telling Timothy to "entrust these" to faithful anthropois "who will be competent TO TEACH OTHERS ALSO" if "teaching" is no longer a thing (after the Apostles died out--I agree that there are no longer Apostles, and certain of the sign gifts)
I highly doubt it goes against this:
Matt 23:8But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Christ.
There's an underlying principle not to be called a teacher or an instructor.
I have not been appointed to teach. I don't have the authority to teach. we are having a conversation- meaning you can reject what i say.
Matt 23:8But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Christ.
There's an underlying principle not to be called a teacher or an instructor.
I have not been appointed to teach. I don't have the authority to teach. we are having a conversation- meaning you can reject what i say.
Teach what? you can teach people to cook and be a teacher too.
Heb 2:
3how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation?
This salvation was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, 4and was affirmed by God through signs, wonders, various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to His will.
The gospel is about those who heard Him and were appointed by Him.
Heb 2:
3how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation?
This salvation was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, 4and was affirmed by God through signs, wonders, various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to His will.
The gospel is about those who heard Him and were appointed by Him.
1 Tim 1:
3As I urged you on my departure to Macedonia, you should stay on at Ephesus to instruct certain men not to teach false doctrines 4or devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculation rather than the stewardship of God’s work, which is by faith.
5The goal of our instruction is the love that comes from a pure heart, a clear conscience, and a sincere faith.6Some have strayed from these ways and turned aside to empty talk. 7They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or that which they so confidently assert.
3As I urged you on my departure to Macedonia, you should stay on at Ephesus to instruct certain men not to teach false doctrines 4or devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculation rather than the stewardship of God’s work, which is by faith.
5The goal of our instruction is the love that comes from a pure heart, a clear conscience, and a sincere faith.6Some have strayed from these ways and turned aside to empty talk. 7They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or that which they so confidently assert.
^ Yes, that's why I pointed out vv.7-8 "the stewardship" entrusted to Paul: "nor to give heed to myths and endless genealogies, which bring speculations rather than God's stewardship, which is in faith." 1Tim1:4
Lk16:1-18 says that others [before Paul's time] were going to be "put out of the stewardship"... "for thou mayest no longer steward"... and "my lord taketh away my stewardship" (etc).
Pertains to having a body of truth to convey, and Paul said in 1Cor15:1-4 just what that [his assigned task (of msg) to convey] covers (among other passages like Eph3, Rom16:25-26, and this [in same context as 2:2] 2Tim2:7-8<---which is why I specifically pointed this one out [the content, i.e. the stewardship!])
Lk16:1-18 says that others [before Paul's time] were going to be "put out of the stewardship"... "for thou mayest no longer steward"... and "my lord taketh away my stewardship" (etc).
Pertains to having a body of truth to convey, and Paul said in 1Cor15:1-4 just what that [his assigned task (of msg) to convey] covers (among other passages like Eph3, Rom16:25-26, and this [in same context as 2:2] 2Tim2:7-8<---which is why I specifically pointed this one out [the content, i.e. the stewardship!])
I think its more we are witnesses than teachers. But then God does appoint teachers in the church as part of ministry, so as long as we spread His word, those words of His will be the ones teaching. We just His mouthpiece.
I think the idea of teaching is that we also show by example what Christ is like. If anyone has tuaght a child this is what its like, you cant just tell a child to do something and they will get it straight away. You have to explain and show many examples. You sometimes need to break it down step by step.
I think the idea of teaching is that we also show by example what Christ is like. If anyone has tuaght a child this is what its like, you cant just tell a child to do something and they will get it straight away. You have to explain and show many examples. You sometimes need to break it down step by step.
This is incorrect. When God calls a man to do a work He also gives him the spiritual gifts to do that. The spiritual gifts which are still in operation are evangelists, pastors, and teachers. The apostles and prophets are found within the Bible itself.
EPHESIANS 4
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
ROMANS 12
6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
EPHESIANS 4
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
ROMANS 12
6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.