Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

[BillG]

Well then leave Dan corner alone, he is not even here to defend himself

Well if you are following his teaching then I will question what he is saying.

Does he teach you to accuse others of teaching people to disobey God based on a theological bent?

Because that is what you are doing.

 

[Nat2019]

Nat2019.

Show me the prima facie evidence that I teach people to disobey God.

Stop slandering Dan Corner then

 

[Nat2019]

Well if you are following his teaching then I will question what he is saying.

Does he teach you to accuse others of teaching people to disobey God based on a theological bent?

Because that is what you are doing.

OSAS promotes a license to immortality.

 

[Nat2019]

Nat2019.

Show me the prima facie evidence that I teach people to disobey God.

To whole gospel you promote, teaches a license for immorality. If we eat the forbidden fruit we will die. Dont be deceived. If we disobey God like Adam we will surely die. OSAS doctrine comes from calvanism. Its founder truly evil. So I would beware of listening to anything from a murderer. Go and study the theology of calvinism. Read unconditional election one of the 5 points of calvinism. T.U.L.I.P

 

[Rosemaryx]

Well then leave Dan corner alone, he is not even here to defend himself

You listen to a man who preaches a false gospel , your ears are being tickled...
I have read enough about his false heresies , and you have allowed satan to whisper in your ears and decieve you...

I pray that you will go back to the start where you spoke of eternal security by grace you have been saved , and only by grace...

You are sticking up for a man , and preaching his gospel , and I have seen that come through on the vengeful post to those of us who believe and trust in our LORD and Savior , accusing us that we are greedy and all sorts...
One day your words against others you will be accounted for , none of us are anything like you described us in your vengeful post , not one of us believe we can sin and think nothing of it , you sound just like your preacher , you need to sound more like our LORD , and your words do not show it...

 

[DeighAnn]

I am defined by my status in Christ Jesus and all sin was dealt with at the cross.

Christ Jesus duties, Job description, what He has to fulfill
The PAYMENT for all sin was paid. Christ did His job. He only had to do it the one time. Never again did Christ have to die on the Cross for the sins of the world.

OUR SIDE, OUR DUTIES ONCE JESUS HAS DONE HIS - our sins will now be given upon repentance which can't be future sins because we are not mature Christians so we don't even recognize them yet let alone be able to ask forgiveness for them.
Present - Accept and be baptized, purging old sins.
Future walk Faith come by hearing, keep moving forward in wisdom and knowledge knowing we will still stumble and sin, and we are set free for any bondage that may have used to have been, so we acknowledge and Repent, are washed clean, proceed towards perfection, Holy Spirit leading us.

Christ died for the payment all sins, yet ALL SINS HAVE NOT BEEN FORGIVEN, JUST YOUR PAST WHEN YOU ARE BAPTIZED, IN MY BELIEFS.

Where is it written that future sins are forgiven?

2 Peter 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins

Proverbs 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, He hath so fulfilled.
Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
Acts 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

 

[BillG]

Stop judging another man who supports holy living in accordance to Gods word. He has done nothing to you, but is labeled Beware. Can I put that towards you?.

Of course you can.
You have every right to.

But let me put this to you.

I posted this and to be perfectly honest I am truly offended because you have accused me and others that we teach others to disobey God.

On this thread I have never ever seen anyone do this.

That's why I quoted what I did, because of your accusations concerning OSAS/ES.

Because if he is teaching this then it's not right, so I can only assume you are listening to him.

Joseph Prince who has been accused of such a thing as well met with Dan Brown a guy who totally disagreed with him.

It's to do with the Hyper-Grace movement.

Yet some who aligned with JP seemed to have taken it further.

When JP & DB met Mr Brown posted in Charisma Magazine.

We met and talked. The only thing we disagreed on was the forgiveness of future sins.
Yet before that he rejected him totally.
He thought JP was promoting we can sin all we want.
He realised he was not.

DB at the end of his transcript said "He is my brother in Jesus"

You can put anything you want towards me, as long as it is to discuss and not accuse without knowledge.

I have no problems with that.

To be honest I as I said in the works thread.

If we disagree with theology but a person who has come to faith and wants to be like Jesus then that's good enough for me.

They are a sister/brother in Jesus.

So yes let's talk.

But as I have said to accuse someone who has placed their faith in Jesus to then promote we teach people to disobey Jesus is not right.

 

[BillG]

Stop slandering Dan Corner then

Stop slandering me then.

 

[BillG]

To whole gospel you promote, teaches a license for immorality. If we eat the forbidden fruit we will die. Dont be deceived. If we disobey God like Adam we will surely die. OSAS doctrine comes from calvanism. Its founder truly evil. So I would beware of listening to anything from a murderer. Go and study the theology of calvinism. Read unconditional election one of the 5 points of calvinism. T.U.L.I.P

Not TULIP.

You didn't bother to ask me.

 

[BillG]

OSAS promotes a license to immortality.

No Jesus teaches that.

 

[UnderGrace]

Christ died for the payment all sins, yet ALL SINS HAVE NOT BEEN FORGIVEN, JUST YOUR PAST WHEN YOU ARE BAPTIZED, IN MY BELIEFS.

All sins were dealt with at the cross, all sins have been forgiven. When we are born again/born from above we receive His full pardon for what was past, present and future.

Colossians 2:13-14 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

Hebrews 10:12-14 states that Jesus offered Himself as a once for all time sacrifice for sin that has made us perfect forever.

“Oh, what joy for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins are put out of sight. Yes, what joy for those whose record the Lord has cleared of sin.”
—Romans 4:7–8 NLT

 

[BillG]

To whole gospel you promote, teaches a license for immorality. If we eat the forbidden fruit we will die. Dont be deceived. If we disobey God like Adam we will surely die. OSAS doctrine comes from calvanism. Its founder truly evil. So I would beware of listening to anything from a murderer. Go and study the theology of calvinism. Read unconditional election one of the 5 points of calvinism. T.U.L.I.P

You don't know what I preach.

You just assume.

You have never asked me.
Yet if you did?

 

[BillG]

Now Nat.

Please quote me where I have said it's ok to disobey Jesus.

Put your theological bent aside.

Quote me.

 

[DeighAnn]

All sins were dealt with at the cross, all sins have been forgiven. When we are born again/born from above we receive His full pardon for what was past, present and future.

Colossians 2:13-14 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

Hebrews 10:12-14 states that Jesus offered Himself as a once for all time sacrifice for sin that has made us perfect forever.

“Oh, what joy for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins are put out of sight. Yes, what joy for those whose record the Lord has cleared of sin.”
—Romans 4:7–8 NLT

So all repentance spoken of in the bible is for the day of your baptism only?

 

[Noose]

I am amazed how loosely some read the Scriptures.

So, it’s described as a time when Satans right hand man is revealed. Who is he?

How loose?

Rev 14:
13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

Doesn't sound like 'beyond 21st century onward, but from 1st century until the end of age.

 

[UnderGrace]

To whole gospel you promote, teaches a license for immorality. If we eat the forbidden fruit we will die. Dont be deceived. If we disobey God like Adam we will surely die. OSAS doctrine comes from calvanism. Its founder truly evil. So I would beware of listening to anything from a murderer. Go and study the theology of calvinism. Read unconditional election one of the 5 points of calvinism. T.U.L.I.P

Again you slander Grace.

Read this very carefully because Paul states people who make this accusation that grace is a license to sin deserve condemnation.

New International Version
Why not say--as some slanderously claim that we say--"Let us do evil that good may result"? Their condemnation is just!
Romans 3:8

We have the Living Waters, why would any of us want to go back and drink from ditch water.

 

[UnderGrace]

So all repentance spoken of in the bible is for the day of your baptism only?

The day of your new birth in Christ Jesus, born from above.

Baptism, the ritual so to speak, is a demonstration to the world that you died in Christ and are risen to new life in Him.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

OSAS promotes a license to immortality.

That's because people who are against It,focus on you can sin all you want and still be saved when the bible says that everyone who has this hope(eternal life) WILL seek to purify THEMSELVES even as they are pure.

In other words a person that has been born Again ,their spirit has been made Perfect and after that,then they want to match their minds to fit the new creation they have become so then they won't even have a desire to continue In sin nevertheless If they do sin and of course they will sin,GOD will not hold that against them because GOD looks at the Inside which was made Perfect.

 

[UnderGrace]

Stop slandering Dan Corner then

Dan Corner teaches very false doctrine..... it is not slander to expose his errors which are substantial

He does not even present the Gospel correctly ... so he is wrong right out of the gate, actually he is not even at the gate, he is off in left field somewhere.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I believe the Bible is clear enough on this issue.

"If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us" 2 Timothy 2:12 KJV

What part of this Verse do you not understand? I myself am 100 %ly sure that salvation loss is possible.

One doesn't lose free will once choosing to follow Christ. If we let our guard down or allow sin to go unrepentant then this darkens our minds until one day we may choose to rebel against God once more.

1 Corinthians 10 New International Version (NIV)
Warnings From Israel’s History
10 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea.2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.”[a] 8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9 We should not test Christ,[b] as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. 10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.
11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. 12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!


God will always provide a way out from temptation if we choose to His way and not our way. Choose our way enough times and gets easier and easier until you either deny God or create God in your image just to support your lifestyle.