Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

[Nat2019]

I read the bible for myself.

Just because someone states other scriptures in the bible, it doesn't mean they are following a false Gospel. I just view all scriptures instead as you can see. Because viewing a couple of scriptures won't help you truly understand Gods word. It's like studying part of something, in study and then applying it to work placement. You won't have the skills needed to COMPLETE the job.

We need to read all scriptures about salvation and Justification In the bible. Not just pick a few scriptures constantly

 

[Nat2019]

I read the bible for myself.

Just because someone states other scriptures in the bible, it doesn't mean they are following a false Gospel. I just view all scriptures instead as you can see. Because viewing a couple of scriptures won't help you truly understand Gods word. It's like studying part of something, in study and then applying it to work placement. You won't have the skills needed to COMPLETE the job.

I am the sort of person who wants to know what's in everything whether it's the bible or food. I need to know the ingredients. So when reading a food packet do we look at a few ingredients on the list or all of them?

 

[Nat2019]

I read the bible for myself.

Just because someone states other scriptures in the bible, it doesn't mean they are following a false Gospel. I just view all scriptures instead as you can see. Because viewing a couple of scriptures won't help you truly understand Gods word. It's like studying part of something, in study and then applying it to work placement. You won't have the skills needed to COMPLETE the job.

I would like to ask you a question-

If a person becomes born again (receiving the holy spirit), then becomes a devil worshipper will he go to heaven?

 

[dcontroversal]

I read the bible for myself.

Just because someone states other scriptures in the bible, it doesn't mean they are following a false Gospel. I just view all scriptures instead as you can see. Because viewing a couple of scriptures won't help you truly understand Gods word. It's like studying part of something, in study and then applying it to work placement. You won't have the skills needed to COMPLETE the job.

It does not change the FACTUAL TRUTH OF THE FOLLOWING VERSE....

However, to the one not working, but believing on the One justifying the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness,

 

[dcontroversal]

I would like to ask you a question-

If a person becomes born again (receiving the holy spirit), then becomes a devil worshipper will he go to heaven?

No believer would do that...so your question is moot....if they go out from us they were NEVER OF US <--John is clear!

 

[dcontroversal]

We need to read all scriptures about salvation and Justification In the bible. Not just pick a few scriptures constantly

The bible does not contradict itself....the following verse is clear....You are contradicting scripture if you think works are required to prove salvation.

However, to the one not working, but believing on the One justifying the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness,

 

[Nat2019]

The bible does not contradict itself....the following verse is clear....You are contradicting scripture if you think works are required to prove salvation.

However, to the one not working, but believing on the One justifying the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness,

Of course the same verse. I already told you I agree with it. .

So the issue isnt works. Its actually "Faith" You dont agree that the book of James is relevant for today or for Christian's. That's the real issue here. You dont think the book of James applies for Christian's today.

So in conclusion the problem isn't people "earning" their way to heaven. Its actually you dont believe the book of James is relevant for todays Christian's. You dont think the faith Abraham has should be the faith we should have!

 

[Guojing]

Who told you not to worry about 1 john now?. We always need to care about what the bible says. You might not even be alive in the tribulation

I follow dispensationalism so I believe that we are in the grace dispensation today, the church age, where Romans to Philemon is church doctrine written to us. The rest of the book are for our learning.

 

[dcontroversal]

Of course the same verse. I already told you I agree with it. .

So the issue isnt works. Its actually "Faith" You dont agree that the book of James is relevant for today or for Christian's. That's the real issue here. You dont think the book of James applies for Christian's today.

So in conclusion the problem isn't people "earning" their way to heaven. Its actually you dont believe the book of James is relevant for todays Christian's. You dont think the faith Abraham has should be the faith we should have!

Now you are embellishing my view with something I did not say or imply......this speaks to a lack of honesty on your part......

 

[Nat2019]

No believer would do that...so your question is moot....if they go out from us they were NEVER OF US <--John is clear!

So your saying you don't sin anymore?. And that if you do, you weren't of the faith. SINLESS PERFECTION. Wow, I thought only Jesus was perfect

 

[Nat2019]

I follow dispensationalism so I believe that we are in the grace dispensation today, the church age, where Romans to Philemon is church doctrine written to us. The rest of the book are for our learning.

The rest of the bible needs to be removed then. And taken to the library. Put in the history section

 

[dcontroversal]

So your saying you don't sin anymore?. And that if you do, you weren't of the faith. SINLESS PERFECTION. Wow, I thought only Jesus was perfect

Are you dense or possibly cannot understand English? Serious....the more you tap dance the more you sound just like Fran......Show me where I said anything about sin.....conflating things, embellishing what I say, falsely accusing me of saying something I did not say....not looking good for you.....very dishonest and deceptive.....

 

[dcontroversal]

The rest of the bible needs to be removed then. And taken to the library. Put in the history section

Another statement that reeks of dishonesty....so....by your view building an Ark is applocable today?

 

[Nat2019]

Now you are embellishing my view with something I did not say or imply......this speaks to a lack of honesty on your part......

You dont think Abraham should be an example of what true faith should look like. He never had Faith Alone, He showed his faith by action. Today he would be called a legalistic guy

 

[dcontroversal]

You dont think Abraham should be an example of what true faith should look like. He never had Faith Alone, He showed his faith by action. Today he would be called a legalistic guy

Abraham was justified by faith without works attached Romans 4 take up your view with God....

You are quickly proving to be dishonest and deceptive....you won't last long here being that way

 

[Nat2019]

Are you dense or possibly cannot understand English? Serious....the more you tap dance the more you sound just like Fran......Show me where I said anything about sin.....conflating things, embellishing what I say, falsely accusing me of saying something I did not say....not looking good for you.....very dishonest and deceptive.....

You people cry judgment, but always do the judging.

I asked you if a person is born again (has the holy spirit) turns to idolatry (worshipping the devil)

Will he go to heaven?

You said this person was never saved to begin with.

So you think a person cannot turn to sin again, otherwise they weren't saved and will never be saved.



This sounds more legalistic than what I follow.

So you cant ever sin again isnt that right according to what you wrote above. Or you must view some sins worse than others which is a belief from non OSAS believers.

So if you sin now, you were never saved to begin with isnt that right. Or is the the devil worshipper I mentioned above different to you?.

 

[Nat2019]

Abraham was justified by faith without works attached Romans 4 take up your view with God....

You are quickly proving to be dishonest and deceptive....you won't last long here being that way

So the book of James wasnt mentioned? Why dont you post some scriptures from the book of james

 

[dcontroversal]

You people cry judgment, but always do the judging.

I asked you if a person is born again (has the holy spirit) turns to idolatry (worshipping the devil)

Will he go to heaven?

You said this person was never saved to begin with.

So you think a person cannot turn to sin again, otherwise they weren't saved and will never be saved.



This sounds more legalistic than what I follow.

So you cant ever sin again isnt that right according to what you wrote above. Or you must view some sins worse than others which is a belief from non OSAS believers.

So if you sin now, you were never saved to begin with isnt that right. Or is the the devil worshipper I mentioned above different to you?.

A deciever is exactly what you are....you never said sinned, you said become a devil worshipper and the embellish what you said....your dishonesty and deception does not speak well to your supposed salvation

 

[dcontroversal]

So the book of James wasnt mentioned? Why dont you post some scriptures from the book of james

Look....I despise deceivers, those that embellish or change what they say to accuse like you are doing.....do not address me again if you are going to continue lying and in deception embellishing everything that comes out of your mouth or what I write.....

 

[Nat2019]

Another statement that reeks of dishonesty....so....by your view building an Ark is applocable today?

My statements "REEK" wow shocking. Must be so bad. I never told you your statements smell bad.