Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[SimpleGardner]

Poorly written on my part. Jesus brings the two extremes and meets them in the middle.

Here is my problem with the "Spirit Led Life"

1. If Gods people could exist without Gods Law, He wouldn't have it. He didn't have it, then He did. Now that Satan and his evil spirits are on their way and God is going to say this is a great time to just let my people be just spirit led If that worked no one would need to read the Word.

2 How do you know Whos Spirit you are being led by.

3 If you really love God, you love His laws because they are good and God is good and you love God and you love God as not only your Creator, and Savior, and Father but your government, your society rules,

You know, I erase a lot more than I ever send. I really can be funny, but I thank God I can see that others wouldn't think so

Rom 8:6-11 NIV The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; (7) the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. (8) Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. (9) You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. (10) But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. (11) And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

Got an IF Detector algorithm?

 

[UnderGrace]

Is that Pre trib?

Not exactly.....the tribulation has already occurred when the temple was destroyed.

 

[UnderGrace]

Partial-Preterism...not sure I know exactly what that means. I do know of preterism, I have an email subscription to The International Preterist Association, and no I don't do it to pick on them or to find ammunition to "Pummel" them. Not my thing. I want to learn from them! And yes, I have learned from them. I'm not a Preterist...but I also don't rule out coming into deeper understanding as I Seek-Knock-ask.

I would be curious to know what exactly you mean by partial-Preterist. Feel free to private message me if you wish to keep it out of the public forum. I'm not a member or I would start one for you. Honestly, I would welcome your information! With zero criticisms!

Only at the start of my understanding of the different views so not sure what I could really tell you of any depth.

But I like how you sidestepped my questions...

I can only tell you there is only bondage in the law...... one cannot walk in the Spirit and look to the law, I would never, ever go back to that bondage.

I hope you will consider the doctrine you espouse carefully for you own sake because if you are honest the law only condemns and there is no peace in it.

 

[UnderGrace]

Not exactly.....the tribulation has already occurred when the temple was destroyed.

@DeighAnn I should state in the time period surrounding when the temple was destroyed.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Only at the start of my understanding of the different views so not sure what I could really tell you of any depth.

But I like how you sidestepped my questions...

I can only tell you there is only bondage in the law...... one cannot walk in the Spirit and look to the law, I would never, ever go back to that bondage.

I hope you will consider the doctrine you espouse carefully for you own sake because if you are honest the law only condemns and there is no peace in it.

Sadly you are referring to the bondage to you felt prior to redemption. It doesn't exist post redemption!

 

[UnderGrace]

Sadly you are referring to the bondage to you felt prior to redemption. It doesn't exist post redemption!

Oh yes it does, if you put yourself back under the law.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Oh yes it does, if you put yourself back under the law.

Kind of a broken record on the "You're under the law" don't you think?

For any New Converts on here; there is a whole new perspective that is coming your way as you immerse yourself in the Word of God, OT and NT! You will never find the truths God has for you from my words or anybody elses words on here without ending up with several conflicting opinions. BUT God, through His Holy Spirit will always lead you into the truth if you persist in seeking, knocking and Asking. This is not Godliness by osmosis or through sitting under mens teaching. As Jesus said;

Joh 16:13 NIV But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

and John'

1Jn 2:27 NIV As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

Take care to resist falling under mens teachings because you will find yourself in a hole you may have to spend a lot of time getting out of. There are so many doctrinal differences out there and only 1 that is true! Only the Holy Spirit can guide you there! So when any of us buddy up to you and tries to tell you how to think about anything, just say you already have a teacher.

I will pray for you that you don't fall into the doctrinal traps that so many others have and have shipwrecked their faith. But it is critical that you seek God and His truth with all your heart! He has NEVER turned away anyone who sought Him out!

 

[UnderGrace]

Kind of a broken record on the "You're under the law" don't you think?

I am thinking you have made it very clear what you believe with regards to the law and grace.... I prefer to be and continue to be a broken record on this topic always.

 

[azamzimtoti]

(Acts 15:5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.” )

(Acts 15:10 “Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? )

I'm pretty sure that Peter was not speaking to circumcsion in the "not able to bear".

 

[SimpleGardner]

(Acts 15:5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.” )

(Acts 15:10 “Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? )

I'm pretty sure that Peter was not speaking to circumcsion in the "not able to bear".

Greetings azamzimtoti, Of the 13 tribes of Israel at the time of Jesus how many were "under covenant with God"?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That cant happen. The covenant of break one break all has been abolished. It is gone. IT APPLIES TO NO ONE EVER. It has been replaced.

That covenant was the law.

So if to it was abolished the law was abolished

 

[azamzimtoti]

Greetings azamzimtoti, Of the 13 tribes of Israel at the time of Jesus how many were "under covenant with God"?

Which Tribe was Paul from?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The 10 commandments CAN'T be what is written on our hearts.

2 Coritnhians 3:7-9
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

It is your contention that the ministry of death and condemnation is Gods Law and that it is written on the hearts of people who have come to Christ.

But that is not so. ALL Christians know it and scripture tells us you are wrong as well. All you are doing is what ALL legalists and judaizers do. You are twisting scripture to excuse your work at the law.


Romans 8:1-4
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


How can the ministry of condemnation be written on the heart but there be no condemnation?

How can the ministry of death be written on the heart when it is the law of the Spirit of Life that is written there?


Obviously the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is QUITE a different thing than the ministry of death and condemnation.

Amen gods word, his character, his ways are written.

Not his law. torah in ot meant word

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus the Christ as the Son of God is the author and perfecter of His perfect law . When he says open in the name of law . Guess who is coming to dinner with the bread of life?

No one if the law is the standard

 

[SimpleGardner]

Putting a lot of effort into keeping your daughter pure is not in itself extreme.
But requiring her to marry her rapist would be, in my opinion. And I think that would be in accordance with the law that is written on my heart.

Just wondering, do you think all new converts to Christ are instantly wise enough to make complicated spiritual decisions.

Which Tribe was Paul from?

Php 3:5

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hebrews 10;26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins.


Paul never said the law is dead, or nailed to the stake. That's what tickle the ear preachers have been selling us for (all my lifetime) ,,,read your bible, keep on reading don't just search for verses here and there that make you feel better about your own sin. If we do sin, repent and quit doing it!

The law requires perfection,, have you met anf continued to meet that standard

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So! Step out, and be ready for follow up questions while I corral you into a doctrinal corner and pummel you! Does that tactic sound familiar?! C'mon you know I love you!

Still unwilling to answer questions. And just laugh it off..shame

 

[DeighAnn]

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

NOT THE VERY IMAGE, BUT A SHADOW What is a shadow 4639 skia one description is shade caused by the interception of light, another is an image cast by an object and representing the form of that object, or a sketch, outline, adumbration-indicate faintly.
For the law having a faint indication, just a sketch or an outline really, not having any of the definition of the good things to come CAN NEVER with all the animal sacrifices year by year CONTINUALLY make those coming for forgiveness of their sins be made perfect.
Am I reading this right? The law, that burdensome heavy laden, law with all the statutes and ordinances, and rituals and ceremonies and all the animals blood that it took still could not make the comers perfect. How much sin do flesh bodies commit? year by year continually and it still wasn't enough to cover the sin?
Am I correct that a shadow, being just an outline, is in itself lacking all the detail that it is a shadow of? Yes I went and look at my shadow and took a picture of it, then I took a picture of myself and the detail that I saw in the picture of myself, well I am telling you, that shadow barely gave a hint of what I was going to look like. If I sent you a picture of my shadow, do you think you could fill in the details and make it look like me?
I bet the shadow of the good things to come we lacking in all sorts if details themselves.
Then I got to thinking, this is talking about the law having a shadow. Was there any chance at all that the shadow could have MORE detail? NO WAY. It could not be more detailed than what was to come. It was the shadow. The shadow doesn't have the detail. It is what comes after the laws shadow that had the detail. The law would not be becoming less, it would be becoming more pronounced through this one sentence alone.

Now if it had said "The law having many more details of the good things to come" THAT would make what comes next LESS, Right?
On to the next verse.

 

[azamzimtoti]

The 10 commandments CAN'T be what is written on our hearts.

2 Coritnhians 3:7-9
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

It is your contention that the ministry of death and condemnation is Gods Law and that it is written on the hearts of people who have come to Christ.

But that is not so. ALL Christians know it and scripture tells us you are wrong as well. All you are doing is what ALL legalists and judaizers do. You are twisting scripture to excuse your work at the law.


Romans 8:1-4
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


How can the ministry of condemnation be written on the heart but there be no condemnation?

How can the ministry of death be written on the heart when it is the law of the Spirit of Life that is written there?


Obviously the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is QUITE a different thing than the ministry of death and condemnation.

"Obviously the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is QUITE a different thing than the ministry of death and condemnation"

Exactly:

(Jer 31:31 Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah )

(Jer 31:32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD. )

 

[FollowHisSteps]

The law requires perfection,, have you met anf continued to meet that standard

The law requires honesty, failure is resolved through repentance and sacrifice.
It is strange to say the law never has a role, and it is not part of our understanding of God and ourselves.

God gave us the law, His expectations of our behaviour to Him and others, so that we can start to
understand how we are live and why we are to live this way.

The only difference between the old covenant and the new covenant is the law is now written on our
hearts and minds.

It makes me wonder who are these people who do not have the law in their hearts and minds.
Maybe they do not know love and the Lord and never will.

Being under the law is a measure of our standard and our failure. Under the law we will always fail
if we are trying to obey without communion and connection with the law. In Christ we have the in dwelling
of the Holy Spirit, knowledge of Jesus and forgiveness through the cross. In the love that flows through us
we have become overcomers in a way that was not possible before.

Paul is trying to convey so much has changed, and through fulfilling the law we are victorious, connected,
which was hidden before but has now arrived. Praise the Lord