Born Again Speaking in Tongues

[notuptome]

well you know what they say

don't try to teach someone anything you know zilch about

Apply it to yourself and you take the first step toward wisdom.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Apply it to yourself and you take the first step toward wisdom.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

doesn't seem to work for you though

guess you tripped over slippers or something

well...beautiful day out there. try leaving the basement for some fresh air. would do you a world of good

 

[Dino246]

Your response is sufficient answer in and of itself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yawn.

 

[Kavik]

people exposed to "glossolia" are having it modeled to them, part of the learning process.

Yes, very much so - a few studies done evidence that many people from the same 'congregation' will all sort of sound similar and use the same intonation, etc. as they 'learn' from each other. Occasionally, if a particular "word" or "phrase" is used a lot by someone in a particular congregation, it's picked up on and repeated by other speakers - even examples over YouTube demonstrate this. A popular "phrase I hear a lot is "Ki shanda" (kee SHAHN-dah), or "ki shandababa" (kee SHAHN-dah-bah-BAH) as way to start a glossic string.

 

[Kavik]

nor include verses that destroy their skewed assumptions.

I don't meant this to sound rude, but can you give an example?

 

[garee]

The gifts Paul notes in 1 Corinthians are not the written text of the Bible.

Well then were are they written if not the Bible. Are they oral traditions? Are you saying tongues is not prophecy? last time I looked the book of Revelation was the last new revelation that came form God to confirm he has spoken? is their a private bok listing all the new prophecy that Pentcoster speak off. What is the nature of these sound that have no meaning.

Blessing or curses?Sounds of wonderment beyond words ?

Who are these "some"? Identify them with quotations please. You accused me of doing this, and have provided no evidence. Now you're dodging and accusing the nameless "some" of the same thing.

I would think you would be familiar with them . I have been asking to confirm the law as to what the sign of tongues confirms. Still waiting for that answer.

Quotations like if you will bow down. I will give all the kingdoms of the world as a false source of faith. Or if you make a noise and call it a tongue .They are called sign gifts. No such thing a sign gift as that seen with the eye. the two words are not seen working together. Spiritual gift not seen yes.

According to the law of signs (1 Corinthians 14:22-230) Sign are for those who rebel against prophecy .Yet for all that they refuse to believe prophecy. They have their own source of faith .themselves called sealf edification or will worship . I will worship the sounds even though they have no meaning. .And they can confirm it by making a noise or fall backward or getting wet with water .


Get some integrity; either produce quotations or withdraw the accusations. I do expect you to withdraw your accusation against me, and you have not done so yet.

I am accussing you of not anawered the the question in repsect to the law of tongues in 1 Corinthians 14:22-23 as it relates to the foundation of the doctrine of tongues in Isaiah 28 .What does it confirm?

It's really better if you don't make comments on subjects about which you clearly know so little.

You are revealing to me what you think I do not know. I try to give answers.

It would seem by your refusal to answer the questions you are still learning what prophecy, prophesying and prophets mean in respect to a new tongue (the tongue of God). It is used to drive out lying spirits as the gospel .god has designed a whole list of metaphors that follow. Not viewable by the eye. (This is where faith generated by the scriptures kicks in to high gear. ) Viewable by the 20/20 prescription given for rightly dividing the word of God. No mixing faith as it is written no understanding.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal

 

[garee]

Yes, very much so - a few studies done evidence that many people from the same 'congregation' will all sort of sound similar and use the same intonation, etc. as they 'learn' from each other. Occasionally, if a particular "word" or "phrase" is used a lot by someone in a particular congregation, it's picked up on and repeated by other speakers - even examples over YouTube demonstrate this. A popular "phrase I hear a lot is "Ki shanda" (kee SHAHN-dah), or "ki shandababa" (kee SHAHN-dah-bah-BAH) as way to start a glossic string.

Yes, thoughts that have no meaning generated from a unseen source.

One source of Christin faith as it is written . The word it representing to the unseen source of God. the gospel. The gates of hell could never prevail against it. We defend it, it as our armor defends us.

Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, "vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,"

 

[Dino246]

Yes, thoughts that have no meaning generated from a unseen source.

You might want to rethink that. God has thoughts, but He is unseen. Are His thoughts therefore without meaning?

 

[Dino246]

Well then were are they written if not the Bible. Are they oral traditions? Are you saying tongues is not prophecy? last time I looked the book of Revelation was the last new revelation that came form God to confirm he has spoken? is their a private bok listing all the new prophecy that Pentcoster speak off. What is the nature of these sound that have no meaning.

Once again, you aren't carefully tracking the conversation. The gifts themselves are activity of the Holy Spirit through believers at specific times in specific contexts. The written text of Scripture is not activity at specific time in specific contexts. The two are so completely distinct that I am surprised you are confused about this. It's a really simple concept. Text is not activity, and activity is not text. What part of that do you not understand?

And yes, I am saying that tongues is not prophecy, as I have been saying consistently for a long time.

I would think you would be familiar with them .

I am familiar with the gifts of the Holy Spirit. That's why I can read your posts and recognize that you are completely unfamiliar with them.

I have been asking to confirm the law as to what the sign of tongues confirms. Still waiting for that answer.

I addressed that subject several months ago, clearly demonstrating the inconsistency of your position. You didn't pay attention then, so you keep asking. I'm done with it.

"Get some integrity; either produce quotations or withdraw the accusations. I do expect you to withdraw your accusation against me, and you have not done so yet."

I am accussing you of not anawered the the question in repsect to the law of tongues in 1 Corinthians 14:22-23 as it relates to the foundation of the doctrine of tongues in Isaiah 28 .What does it confirm?

You have accused me and others of seeking another source of faith. I have clearly identified that as your accusation, and here for the second time at least, you are dodging that issue and trying to shift the subject away from your wrongdoing. Provide the evidence for your accusations, or withdraw the accusations.

You are revealing to me what you think I do not know. I try to give answers.

It would seem by your refusal to answer the questions you are still learning what prophecy, prophesying and prophets mean in respect to a new tongue (the tongue of God).

Garee, I assure you, I am not learning anything from you other than many ways that the truth can be convoluted and misunderstood. I believe your heart is in the right place, but you are deeply confused about many issues. While they are minor issues, some of your beliefs are clearly unbiblical. I have explained the truth of these matters to you, which you have blatantly ignored. Instead you go on repeating the same errors and using them as the basis for other subjects.

 

[Absolutely]

I don't meant this to sound rude, but can you give an example?

What paul said about tongues.
What acts says about recieving them (ie the baptism in the Holy Spirit) through laying on of hands.
Pauls personal testimony. (My spirit prays but my mind is without understanding)

 

[garee]

Once again, you aren't carefully tracking the conversation. The gifts themselves are activity of the Holy Spirit through believers at specific times in specific contexts. The written text of Scripture is not activity at specific time in specific contexts. The two are so completely distinct that I am surprised you are confused about this. It's a really simple concept. Text is not activity, and activity is not text. What part of that do you not understand?

The part you do not understand is..... God is no longer bringing any. . not one jot or tittle of new revelations as new knowledge. we have the perfect law as the mixture of two.

He has revealed all he had intended and sealed it with 7 seals.

What is it that those who claim they are receiving ? Private revelations? Secret words? sounds of wonderment? .

What is the private revelation as a private interpretation they claim . a message in encouragement. .. a new law?

There remains one source of Christ's faith. . . as it is written. No noises without meaning, no visions, out of the body wonderments, no falling backward when full.

We walk by faith the unseen eternal .No such thing as a "sign gifts". Spiritual unseen gifts, yes.

According to the law of visible signs .Signs are for those who believe not prophecy (now that you do understand what prophecy and prophesying mean for those who believe.

Have you come to a conclusion as to what the sign does confirm in 1Corihtians 14:22-23 or the law of the new tongue, or are you waiting for a sign??

 

[Absolutely]

Yes, very much so - a few studies done evidence that many people from the same 'congregation' will all sort of sound similar and use the same intonation, etc. as they 'learn' from each other. Occasionally, if a particular "word" or "phrase" is used a lot by someone in a particular congregation, it's picked up on and repeated by other speakers - even examples over YouTube demonstrate this. A popular "phrase I hear a lot is "Ki shanda" (kee SHAHN-dah), or "ki shandababa" (kee SHAHN-dah-bah-BAH) as way to start a glossic string.

Guess again

 

[garee]

Garee, I assure you, I am not learning anything from you other than many ways that the truth can be convoluted and misunderstood. I believe your heart is in the right place, but you are deeply confused about many issues. While they are minor issues, some of your beliefs are clearly unbiblical. I have explained the truth of these matters to you, which you have blatantly ignored. Instead you go on repeating the same errors and using them as the basis for other subjects.

It would be easy to go back and look at the conversations that had to do with defining the words... prophet, prophecy and prophesying. As well as the word "tongue" used as a actual language. Not a term for creating a unknow wonderment as a false source of Christian faith.

Jesus in order to confirm the one source of faith said three times:, "as it is written" . .condemning will worship a false humility as the way some self edifiers confirm they have been filled with the unseen Holy Spirit.

What do you think the law pertaining to the sign of tongues confirms ? Belief (faith) or unbelief (no faith) ? God mocking those with stammering, deriding lips or them mocking Him?

Colossians 2:18 King James Version (KJV) Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

 

[Dino246]

The part you do not understand is..... God is no longer bringing any. . not one jot or tittle of new revelations as new knowledge. we have the perfect law as the mixture of two.

I understand that such is your position.

What is it that those who claim they are receiving ? Private revelations? Secret words? sounds of wonderment? .

Why don't you ask those who claim such.

There remains one source of Christ's faith. . . as it is written.

From what written source did Abraham get his faith? From what written source did Noah get his faith? From what written source did Abel get his faith? All three are noted in Hebrews 11 as having faith. Yet none of them had the written word as we know it... not even the Old Testament.

We walk by faith the unseen eternal .No such thing as a "sign gifts". Spiritual unseen gifts, yes.

This is an error that I have corrected and to which you stubbornly cling.

According to the law of visible signs .Signs are for those who believe not prophecy (now that you do understand what prophecy and prophesying mean for those who believe.

There is no "law of signs". That's another of your inventions.

Have you come to a conclusion as to what the sign does confirm in 1Corihtians 14:22-23 or the law of the new tongue, or are you waiting for a sign??

Already addressed. Move on, Garee.

 

[garee]

I understand that such is your position.

Why don't you ask those who claim such.

It would seem you are defending something that they call confirming, self-edifying as a source of faith ?

From what written source did Abraham get his faith? From what written source did Noah get his faith? From what written source did Abel get his faith? All three are noted in Hebrews 11 as having faith. Yet none of them had the written word as we know it... not even the Old Testament.

Abraham got it from the word of God's prophecy which Moses wrote down so you can know he moved Abraham to both will and do His good pleasure as a imputed righteousness

This is an error that I have corrected and to which you stubbornly cling.

Sign that follows a metaphors used in parables or literal signs? You are here .or signs that follow. . you were here

There is no "law of signs". That's another of your inventions.

or you hope so it would seem. Sure there is, signs confirm something as a law not a opinion. What goes up must go down ..spinning wheels must go around.

You saying you have already addressed . Will you now define the law as to what is does confirm

Move on Dino. What the answer. belief or no belief. . . those who yet for all that prophecy they believe not beleive God and see no evil in doing so .

What the mocking stammering lips all about? The bleating of sheep?

 

[Dino246]

It would seem you are defending something that they call confirming, self-edifying as a source of faith ?

Who are "THEY"? Quote them please.

 

[Dino246]

"From what written source did Abraham get his faith?"

Abraham got it from the word of God's prophecy which Moses wrote down so you can know he moved Abraham to both will and do His good pleasure as a imputed righteousness

Wow... you need to read Genesis, or at least Galatians 4.

Abraham lived several centuries BEFORE Moses, so Abraham could not possibly have read anything that Moses wrote down.

 

[garee]

Wow... you need to read Genesis, or at least Galatians 4.

Abraham lived several centuries BEFORE Moses, so Abraham could not possibly have read anything that Moses wrote down.

Hi thanks for the reply

According to the hearing of faith (Galatian 3) Abraham was moved by a work of Christ's faith as a labor of love and mercy working in Abraham to perform that by then after he moved Moses to write down as law.

Its the result of a imputed righteousness a new spirit not of ones own self. It comes from the Holy Father of spirits .

In that way we are to call no man father on earth and in the same way we are to call no man on earth good teacher as Master (Rabbi) for one is our good teacher in heaven. Jesus as the Son of man on earth said; "only God is good" . He would not stand in the Holy unseen place of the hidden glory of God. We can have the power to beleive because he works with us. Without him we can do nothing that will last.

 

[Dino246]

Hi thanks for the reply

According to the hearing of faith (Galatian 3) Abraham was moved by a work of Christ's faith as a labor of love and mercy working in Abraham to perform that by then after he moved Moses to write down as law.

Its the result of a imputed righteousness a new spirit not of ones own self. It comes from the Holy Father of spirits .

In that way we are to call no man father on earth and in the same way we are to call no man on earth good teacher as Master (Rabbi) for one is our good teacher in heaven. Jesus as the Son of man on earth said; "only God is good" . He would not stand in the Holy unseen place of the hidden glory of God. We can have the power to beleive because he works with us. Without him we can do nothing that will last.

Moses wrote down the Law 430 years AFTER Abraham.

Abraham COULD NOT have read the Law. So Abraham COULD NOT have obtained faith from the written word. That was your argument. It has been refuted. Don't blunder off into new territory without dealing with the implications of this first.

 

[Deade]

I am accussing you of not anawered the the question in repsect to the law of tongues in 1 Corinthians 14:22-23 as it relates to the foundation of the doctrine of tongues in Isaiah 28 .What does it confirm?

I will say Isaiah 28 has no bearing on speaking in tongues. It was a curse pronounced on Ephraim and the drunkards leading them. Like Dino said prayer tongues has nothing to do with prophecy. This is prayer tongues described: 1 Cor. 14:14 "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful." Paul admonished them to keep this out of public places unless interpreted.

I never said everyone must have tongues or they weren't saved. I also don't think you must have the signs spoken of to be saved. I have witnessed prophetic tongues myself but never have participated in such. My prayer tongues are different.

Sometimes I get little hints about what I am praying for while in tongues. Oral Roberts always insisted you can discern all of your prayer tongues. I don't find that the case. In fact; God told me I don't need, nor should I want, to know everything. I may be praying for a future tragedy, I will go through, and if I knew beforehand I would surely worry about it.