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"Scripture states there is no boasting (because we all have the exact same point of entry).."
No, scripture says there is no boasting because of our own works (as for me I also include faith, as I believe that this is yet another gracious gift) . This business about exact same points of entry.....you are going to have to support that notion with scripture.
No, scripture says there is no boasting because of our own works (as for me I also include faith, as I believe that this is yet another gracious gift) . This business about exact same points of entry.....you are going to have to support that notion with scripture.
He means so God would grant them what the ask for. Your arguing against your own beliefs, because if what you believe was true, it would matter what way the gospel was presented.
It's very simple. God decided to save people who acknowledge him,
to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. Isa.66:2
I believe in the complete rule of God over all creation. I think we disagree about the abilities God created us with.
I was drawn to Jesus by a believer I worked with, who came to visit me when I was in the pecan house. How did God draw you?
I already told you. Sin does cause death, but the belief that sinners are without any capacity to reason simply isn't true.
their foolish hearts were darkened Rom.1:21
Forgetting God leads us their, but we weren't there to begin with.
It's very simple. God decided to save people who acknowledge him,
to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. Isa.66:2
I believe in the complete rule of God over all creation. I think we disagree about the abilities God created us with.
I was drawn to Jesus by a believer I worked with, who came to visit me when I was in the pecan house. How did God draw you?
I already told you. Sin does cause death, but the belief that sinners are without any capacity to reason simply isn't true.
their foolish hearts were darkened Rom.1:21
Forgetting God leads us their, but we weren't there to begin with.
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PennEd...I have a strong visual memory, so I know that some of this is from when I started to question prevailing thought out there.... but when on focus on the person of Christ and how He was with people this speaks to who He was and what He desired for the Israelites (and then for the gentiles) so much so that He wept over Jerusalem.
Why weep when you are going to gift belief to some only...it is not logical.
Why weep when you are going to gift belief to some only...it is not logical.
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One could boast in their works right?
Why because the amount or intensity of work can vary.
The faith that saves is the same for every person because Jesus is the object of the belief/faith....we believe and trust in His saving work.
Every single person who is justified has had the same belief....therefore none of us can boast because it is in Whom we believe not how much we believe.
Why because the amount or intensity of work can vary.
The faith that saves is the same for every person because Jesus is the object of the belief/faith....we believe and trust in His saving work.
Every single person who is justified has had the same belief....therefore none of us can boast because it is in Whom we believe not how much we believe.
Had you not reversed the order of the verses, everything would be in perfect harmony. So what was Jesus saying in this passage?
1. The Son of God did not come to earth at His first advent to condemn of judge the world. Rather He came to save the world -- Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners.
2. Furthermore when you read John 3:17 in the KJV, the meaning is slightly difference -- "but that the world through Him might be saved". This means that God intended to save all of humanity by sending His Son to die for the sins of the whole world.
3. At the same time only those who obey the Gospel are saved (v 18): He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
4. Then Jesus explains why some are condemned (since they condemn themselves v 19):
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. So those who love their sins and evil deeds more than Christ and His offer of salvation will not obey the Gospel by repenting (turning away from sins) and believing on Christ.
5. Then finally we come to verse 20 which says For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. So evildoers do not come to Christ (the Light of the world) because they do not want to be convicted of their sin, nor do they want to forsake their evil deeds.
Whenever any sinner hears the Gospel, he or she is both convicted and convinced by the Holy Spirit. But God compels no one to repent and be converted. He commands all men everywhere to repent, but He also tells evildoers that there are serious consequences for failure to obey the Gospel.
1. The Son of God did not come to earth at His first advent to condemn of judge the world. Rather He came to save the world -- Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners.
2. Furthermore when you read John 3:17 in the KJV, the meaning is slightly difference -- "but that the world through Him might be saved". This means that God intended to save all of humanity by sending His Son to die for the sins of the whole world.
3. At the same time only those who obey the Gospel are saved (v 18): He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
4. Then Jesus explains why some are condemned (since they condemn themselves v 19):
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. So those who love their sins and evil deeds more than Christ and His offer of salvation will not obey the Gospel by repenting (turning away from sins) and believing on Christ.
5. Then finally we come to verse 20 which says For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. So evildoers do not come to Christ (the Light of the world) because they do not want to be convicted of their sin, nor do they want to forsake their evil deeds.
Whenever any sinner hears the Gospel, he or she is both convicted and convinced by the Holy Spirit. But God compels no one to repent and be converted. He commands all men everywhere to repent, but He also tells evildoers that there are serious consequences for failure to obey the Gospel.
We don't get to play God. We are to do what He called us to do which is spread the Gospel and love people. It is human reasoning, logic, and wisdom that concludes God would be unjust or unmerciful to choose, or He is beholden to act on human decision.
Every Christian I know says "God is in control". Are these just empty words? Or is HE IN CONTROL? Or just in control of some things but NOT whether someone is conceived and born again? No. He IS in control. Even of minute details of our lives.
Matthew 10:29-31 New King James Version (NKJV)
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a [a]copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from your Father’s will. 30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 Do not fear therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows.
God doesn't owe us anything. Job finally got that message. When are we?
Every Christian I know says "God is in control". Are these just empty words? Or is HE IN CONTROL? Or just in control of some things but NOT whether someone is conceived and born again? No. He IS in control. Even of minute details of our lives.
Matthew 10:29-31 New King James Version (NKJV)
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a [a]copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from your Father’s will. 30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 Do not fear therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows.
God doesn't owe us anything. Job finally got that message. When are we?
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Cmon ms. Spock! Stop with the logic. God's ways are not our ways, god's thoughts are not our thoughts.
Tell me who was dead (NOT mostly dead) in this passage:
Matthew 8:21-22 New King James Version (NKJV)
21 Then another of His disciples said to Him, “Lord, let me first go and bury my father.”
22 But Jesus said to him, “Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”
Tell me who was dead (NOT mostly dead) in this passage:
Matthew 8:21-22 New King James Version (NKJV)
21 Then another of His disciples said to Him, “Lord, let me first go and bury my father.”
22 But Jesus said to him, “Follow Me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”
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Kinda silly that the Bible would have to define what dead means. But then again it DOES teach the dead can't believe on their own:
1 Corinthians 2:14 New King James Version (NKJV)
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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John 1:12 does say that God lights every soul that comes into the world. Unsaved men cannot understand things that are Spiritually discerned that is true. God does call all men to be saved. Many turn back and refuse the call but that is on them and not God.
Spiritually dead is dead in trespass and sin. Spiritually dead is separated from Gods love and awaiting eternal condemnation. It is not a literal physical death else we would not have any hope for life. We do not minister in the cemetery but in the highways and byways.
God along with the call makes a way for men to respond. None are forced to be saved but all must make a decision. Both Adam and Eve made a choice to sin thus we must make a choice to receive Christ or perish.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Spiritually dead is dead in trespass and sin. Spiritually dead is separated from Gods love and awaiting eternal condemnation. It is not a literal physical death else we would not have any hope for life. We do not minister in the cemetery but in the highways and byways.
God along with the call makes a way for men to respond. None are forced to be saved but all must make a decision. Both Adam and Eve made a choice to sin thus we must make a choice to receive Christ or perish.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Love how this verse always comes up.
In context of the church to whom Paul was writing, you know the one who was having so many problems....the overly emotional church... Paul is addressing believers....the natural man is the one using his emotions and reason to understand what is spiritual.
we do not learn the things of the spirit through our emotions.....this is actually your best verse for all those antics that are occurring in churches today!!
A person who has the Spirit of God can be a soulish man just as much as one who does not have the indwelling Spirit...this verse is not about being dead and unable to believe.
William Barclay sums up the message of 1 Corinthians 2:14 quite well:
So in verse 14 Paul speaks of the man who is psuchikos. He is the man who lives as if there was nothing beyond physical life and there were no needs other than material needs, whose values are all physical and material. A man like that cannot understand spiritual things.
A man who thinks that nothing is more important than the satisfaction of the sex urge cannot understand the meaning of chastity; a man who ranks the amassing of material things as the supreme end of life cannot understand generosity; and a man who has never a thought beyond this world cannot understand the things of God. To him they look mere foolishness (Barclay, Letters to Corinthians, 1975, 28).
In context of the church to whom Paul was writing, you know the one who was having so many problems....the overly emotional church... Paul is addressing believers....the natural man is the one using his emotions and reason to understand what is spiritual.
we do not learn the things of the spirit through our emotions.....this is actually your best verse for all those antics that are occurring in churches today!!
A person who has the Spirit of God can be a soulish man just as much as one who does not have the indwelling Spirit...this verse is not about being dead and unable to believe.
William Barclay sums up the message of 1 Corinthians 2:14 quite well:
So in verse 14 Paul speaks of the man who is psuchikos. He is the man who lives as if there was nothing beyond physical life and there were no needs other than material needs, whose values are all physical and material. A man like that cannot understand spiritual things.
A man who thinks that nothing is more important than the satisfaction of the sex urge cannot understand the meaning of chastity; a man who ranks the amassing of material things as the supreme end of life cannot understand generosity; and a man who has never a thought beyond this world cannot understand the things of God. To him they look mere foolishness (Barclay, Letters to Corinthians, 1975, 28).
even a coma doesn't qualify as dead
maybe the confusion comes when Lazarus was dead yet came back in 4 days later, as if hearing Jesus said "come out"
the physical can't explain this
it's a miracle, spiritual explanation would help
Lazarus was in heaven, God sent the soul of Lazarus back just at the right time, and physically healed Lazarus also at the right timing
maybe the confusion comes when Lazarus was dead yet came back in 4 days later, as if hearing Jesus said "come out"
the physical can't explain this
it's a miracle, spiritual explanation would help
Lazarus was in heaven, God sent the soul of Lazarus back just at the right time, and physically healed Lazarus also at the right timing
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