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Susanna said:
My post wasn’t in regard to the gay wedding brawl. It was a general observation of how people are conducting themselves in society.

Let me ask you a couple of questions: Am I a better person than the average gay person just because I’m not gay?

Or am I worse than a gay person?

Is it just a matter of black and white?

I have made a lot of choices over the years, not all of them good, have you?
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your question has presupposition. You approach a sexual preference from the position of "average gay person". You accept homosexuality as something like a race of people i.e. black or white. Good or bad has nothing to do with the context of a sexual preference God has said do not do. Fornication, adultery, drunkness all are acts of sin, that the Blood of Jesus can wash away. Which Homosexuality too is a sin, not a persons ethnicity. Your question is a false narrative from a humanistic position, not a biblical one. Everyone has sinned and fallen short, the church as made concessions to this act of sin while saying one sin is not more sinful than the others. True. Yet why do those make this sin less than the others?
 
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CS1 said:
your question has presupposition. You approach a sexual preference from the position of "average gay person". You accept homosexuality as something like a race of people i.e. black or white. Good or bad has nothing to do with the context of a sexual preference God has said do not do. Fornication, adultery, drunkness all are acts of sin, that the Blood of Jesus can wash away. Which Homosexuality too is a sin, not a persons ethnicity. Your question is a false narrative from a humanistic position, not a biblical one. Everyone has sinned and fallen short, the church as made concessions to this act of sin while saying one sin is not more sinful than the others. True. Yet why do those make this sin less than the others?
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I think she meant it is not "black and white". .... but not with regards to ethnicity..... but in terms of how it is viewed.
 
CS1 said:
your question has presupposition. You approach a sexual preference from the position of "average gay person". You accept homosexuality as something like a race of people i.e. black or white. Good or bad has nothing to do with the context of a sexual preference God has said do not do. Fornication, adultery, drunkness all are acts of sin, that the Blood of Jesus can wash away. Which Homosexuality too is a sin, not a persons ethnicity. Your question is a false narrative from a humanistic position, not a biblical one. Everyone has sinned and fallen short, the church as made concessions to this act of sin while saying one sin is not more sinful than the others. True. Yet why do those make this sin less than the others?
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You’re jumping to conclusions.

Firstly you’re stating that my question has “presupposition”. It has not. It’s just your assumption.

Then you’re labeling my question a false narrative, which is a rather eccentric approach to what I said.

Is it difficult for you to keep it civil?
 
calibob said:
Yes. We need to treat homosexuals just like fornicators, adulterers, drunkards and all liars no better, no worse.
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From the eternal perspective at any point in time there are only two groups on planet Earth, the redeemed and the unredeemed, which group are you referring to exactly?
 
UnderGrace said:
From the eternal perspective at any point in time there are only two groups on planet Earth, the redeemed and the unredeemed, which group are you referring to exactly?
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Probably both, since everyone falls short of the glory of God... except sinless perfectionists, of course ;)

It is a point some seem to overlook repeatedly.
 
Magenta said:
Probably both, since everyone falls short of the glory of God... except sinless perfectionists, of course ;)

It is a point some seem to overlook repeatedly.
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There are people on the unredeemed side of the equation. Many have polarized themselves against truth, mercy and righteousness and have hardened their hearts against God and us for believing in him and in his word. I think some may even have chosen to oppose God and reject salvation which is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I just walk away from them rather than casting pearls to swine. Some are unredeemable out of choice, lust, pride, greed or stubborn rebellion just like Satan did.

On the other side similarly polarized are the self rightous worshipers of the law who just don't understand mercy, love and grace came first. They are like Nuevo Judaizers Pharisees and non spirit filled Sadducees. They're quite mixed up but since salvation cannot be lost, if they were ever saved, they still are. The Lord will deal with them in his time.

That leaves the redeemed and the redeemable. Our solemn duty as the redeemed is to help the redeemable. So that they may see the light. I avoid the both extreme's as the usually lead to unrighteousness or self righteousness. Both are wrong. Jesus came for and to sinners, like us, with kindness, understand and mercy.
His first three commands were 1) to love the Lord thy God with all of our being. 2) Love our neighbors as we love ourselves and to follow his commands. Which commands? If you don't get it ,read 1 & 2 again! His final commission is the greatest of all.

The Great Commission
Matthew 28:1920 (NIV) Therefore go and make disciples of (1)all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and (2)teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Jesus didn't sit in the temple and demand sinners to come to him, although he had every right to do so. He went to them/us with gentleness and authority often rebuking Levites, Pharisees and Sadducees while doing so! He is the role model for true evangelism.
 
Again; The greatest commandment according to Jesus is found in the book of Matthew 22:37, "to love God with all that you are. "And He said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and foremost commandment," (Matthew 22:37-38).


1 Corinthians 13 New International Version (NIV)

13 "If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."
 
calibob said:
There are people on the unredeemed side of the equation. Many have polarized themselves against truth, mercy and righteousness and have hardened their hearts against God and us for believing in him and in his word. I think some may even have chosen to oppose God and reject salvation which is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I just walk away from them rather than casting pearls to swine. Some are unredeemable out of choice, lust, pride, greed or stubborn rebellion just like Satan did.

On the other side similarly polarized are the self rightous worshipers of the law who just don't understand mercy, love and grace came first. They are like Nuevo Judaizers Pharisees and non spirit filled Sadducees. They're quite mixed up but since salvation cannot be lost, if they were ever saved, they still are. The Lord will deal with them in his time.

That leaves the redeemed and the redeemable. Our solemn duty as the redeemed is to help the redeemable. So that they may see the light. I avoid the both extreme's as the usually lead to unrighteousness or self righteousness. Both are wrong. Jesus came for and to sinners, like us, with kindness, understand and mercy.
His first three commands were 1) to love the Lord thy God with all of our being. 2) Love our neighbors as we love ourselves and to follow his commands. Which commands? If you don't get it ,read 1 & 2 again! His final commission is the greatest of all.

The Great Commission
Matthew 28:1920 (NIV) Therefore go and make disciples of (1)all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and (2)teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Jesus didn't sit in the temple and demand sinners to come to him, although he had every right to do so. He went to them/us with gentleness and authority often rebuking Levites, Pharisees and Sadducees while doing so! He is the role model for true evangelism.
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You are a very wise man, Bob :)
 
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calibob said:
Jesus didn't sit in the temple and demand sinners to come to him, although he had every right to do so. He went to them/us with gentleness and authority often rebuking Levites, Pharisees and Sadducees while doing so! He is the role model for true evangelism.
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I think you missed the part when Jesus said to Peter, Get behind me, Satan"
 
calibob said:
Well he rebuked Peter when Peter was already a disciple and?
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And ....He rebuked more than religious elite...the only people he did not rebuke were woman, probably because of how they were treated in that culture.
 
UnderGrace said:
And ....He rebuked more than religious elite...the only people he did not rebuke were woman, probably because of how they were treated in that culture.
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He rebuked the woman who wanted to bless Mary for being His mother.
 
calibob said:
Maybe you were. I was talking about what Jesus taught us to do and how to act towards others.
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Yes in a general sense not in a personal sense ...LOL

I agree with you this about some people not fearing God and the how that affects how one interacts with person who has no fear as opposed to someone who has some scriptural knowledge.

calibob said:
So do you feel more called to teach or rebuke? Everybody does not yet fear god or believe scripture, yet.
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I wanted to draw this out more, discuss, bring out some of the finer details...not so personal....perhaps another time.

I do have one more thread I need to respond to before I run out of time....actually I think it is another one your threads LOL
 
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