Born Again Speaking in Tongues

[Dino246]

Your the one who responded to me by trying to correct me. If you took me out of context. Thats not my fault.

And it is not a translation difference. I showed the greek which proved my point, which means the translation differences do not even matter.

And I am not misunderstanding what your saying, I understand it perfectly well thank you. Your example just did not fit..

You didn't show any Greek. You just showed your preferred translation.

I see no point in continuing this discussion when instead of trying to understand me, you're trying to control the context, and you're willing to misconstrue what I'm saying because you refuse to accept the context I'm using. I'm done.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You didn't show any Greek. You just showed your preferred translation.

I see no point in continuing this discussion when instead of trying to understand me, you're trying to control the context, and you're willing to misconstrue what I'm saying because you refuse to accept the context I'm using. I'm done.

Um, Yes I did

I showed how the word thoroughly equipped was in the perfect tense, Which means complete.

I asked to end this conversation a few posts ago. And I was not trying to understand what you believed, I was responding to a post you responded to me awhile back. (You started the conversation by responding to a post I made to another member)

I did not repond to you. YOU responded to me, So one could say YOUR not trying to understand my point of view. I know yours. Whether you think so or not does not matter. That was not what our discussion was about in the first place either way.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You didn't show any Greek. You just showed your preferred translation.

I see no point in continuing this discussion when instead of trying to understand me, you're trying to control the context, and you're willing to misconstrue what I'm saying because you refuse to accept the context I'm using. I'm done.

I could not agree more.

controlling is what some people are all about and folks who think they are having a normal conversation get fed up

you cannot reason with someone who does not desire to actually understand but would rather control what everyone
around them thinks, says and does

Greek was the official language of the Eastern Roman empire. there on people on this site that fancy themselves experts
because they can google something or some commentary said whatever

the problem starts with people believing they are baptized in the Holy Spirit and have gifts but do not speak in tongues...as you may
have read here? (haha we all have read that)

so they reason they do not speak in tongues because God does not want them to.

the Bible says we are sealed with the Holy Spirit at conversion and anyone who can read knows that the record in Acts describes being baptized in the Holy Spirit as something that occurs after that and there is actually no absolute that indicates a person cannot be baptized in the Spirit right away either, but this entire thread has been so badly misconstrued that you have to dig to find where things are properly represented

nothing at all here that you do not know, but in case someone comes along and thinks we are all trying to prove something that
we made up

as far as tongues go, or any other gift quite frankly, I do not care what these people believe anymore. it is between them and God

I only know they are not making a dent in the truth but are rather representing what is false and if God lets them stew in that, then I guess they will continue that same way

let them answer to the One who gives the gifts because they have a responsibility to rightly present the gospel and they most
certainly are not doing so

the gifts are given for the edification or the building up of the body (of Christ) and tongues have several applications...as we know...but one is for power to witness

now again Dino, I know you know...but I am just clarifying for those who may become confused again reading this really sad and tired rendition of what those who refuse what scripture states have to say

anyway, God bless you and I pray the takeaway from this thread is that God has not changed and we should believe Him first and foremost and put away the teachings of dead religion and angry people who are soaked in it

Amen

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lol.. I just have to laugh at some people

Someone responds to my post

But (considering he or she is responding to something I said) I have no right to keep the converstaion focused on that post (the root of the conversation)

You people make me laugh..


I will try to remember next time I respond to one of your posts. I do not have any limitations. I can make the conversation mean anything I want it to mean. Ie, your post and the context of your post MEANS NOTHING. I can take it anywhere I want,

Thats good to know

 

[Wansvic]

You need to worry about the gospel so I will let you be until you learn the true way to salvation until then you can offer me nothing

How mature. Are you a liberal?

 

[KelbyofGod]

I responded to waggles I believe about prophesy in church services. Where I asked why God needed to give us words not found in scripure.

E-G,

One reason would be if someone asks of a truth not recorded in scripture.

Scripture itself states that not all of the truth is recorded in books. (Including the bible)

MAN may proclaim that "All truth is in the bible and if it isn't recorded in the bible, it isn't truth".

But they should remember that the bible clearly states that "many" of the things Jesus did are NOT written. - John 21:25

So if some one of the children of God decided to (in faith) ask their Father about one of those unwritten things, God could not use scripture to express the answer...but he could use prophecy.

Then it would be a matter of trying/testing the SPIRIT that speaks, rather than just comparing the message to written word.

Testing/trying SPIRITS is something most churches are woefully unprepared to do because they (like the Sadducees of Matthew 22:29 and Mark 12:24) do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[Leastamongmany]

E-G,

One reason would be if someone asks of a truth not recorded in scripture.

Scripture itself states that not all of the truth is recorded in books. (Including the bible)

MAN may proclaim that "All truth is in the bible and if it isn't recorded in the bible, it isn't truth".

But they should remember that the bible clearly states that "many" of the things Jesus did are NOT written. - John 21:25

So if some one of the children of God decided to (in faith) ask their Father about one of those unwritten things, God could not use scripture to express the answer...but he could use prophecy.

Then it would be a matter of trying/testing the SPIRIT that speaks, rather than just comparing the message to written word.

Testing/trying SPIRITS is something most churches are woefully unprepared to do because they (like the Sadducees of Matthew 22:29 and Mark 12:24) do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Blessings!. Well stated! Amen!🙏

 

[Waggles]

Patently false statement. The Holy Spirit dwells in all and only in born again Christians. To state that the Holy Spirit is only present in those who speak in tongues is wholly false and clearly misleading.
Roger

Not at all.
It is the clear teaching of scripture and also spoken of by Jesus himself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

E-G,

One reason would be if someone asks of a truth not recorded in scripture.

Scripture itself states that not all of the truth is recorded in books. (Including the bible)

MAN may proclaim that "All truth is in the bible and if it isn't recorded in the bible, it isn't truth".

But they should remember that the bible clearly states that "many" of the things Jesus did are NOT written. - John 21:25

So if some one of the children of God decided to (in faith) ask their Father about one of those unwritten things, God could not use scripture to express the answer...but he could use prophecy.

Then it would be a matter of trying/testing the SPIRIT that speaks, rather than just comparing the message to written word.

Testing/trying SPIRITS is something most churches are woefully unprepared to do because they (like the Sadducees of Matthew 22:29 and Mark 12:24) do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

So let me get this straight.

A person asks a question not found in scripture.

But churches are woefully unprepaired because they do not know the scriptures.

(Ps. I have yet to hear a question asked in church or out which can not in one form or another be answered by the word of God)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How mature. Are you a liberal?

Thats an insult.

But it does not matter, Its the truth.

Tongues and other topics are non salvic. One can get it wrong and still be saved.

But if you have the wrong, gospel. Well. There is only one place to go. It has eternal consequences.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not at all.
It is the clear teaching of scripture and also spoken of by Jesus himself.

You believe in a different Jesus. Not the one of the bible.. .because he in no way or fashion taught what you teach concerning how one is saved.

 

[KelbyofGod]

So let me get this straight.

A person asks a question not found in scripture.

But churches are woefully unprepaired because they do not know the scriptures.

Does that seem like a conundrum to you?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[Waggles]

And let us all not forget the gift of prophecy operated in a church meeting for the edification and teaching of the
body of Christ ...

 

[Leastamongmany]

And let us all not forget the gift of prophecy operated in a church meeting for the edification and teaching of the
body of Christ ...

Amen. Gods plan is PERFECT b/c He is infallible. Man gets in His way too much! We ARE so easily in self,we must make SURE to let the HOLY GHOST lead us!🙏

 

[garee]

And let us all not forget the gift of prophecy operated in a church meeting for the edification and teaching of the
body of Christ ...

Yes the reading of scripture is a great tradition. It does edify the Holy Spirit.

 

[Dino246]

Yes the reading of scripture is a great tradition. It does edify the Holy Spirit.

Did Isaiah merely read Scripture aloud?
Did Daniel merely read Scripture aloud?
How about Moses? Amos? Jesus?

Um, no. Reading Scripture aloud is not prophesying. Reading Scripture aloud is not a spiritual gift given only to those God selects by His own wisdom.

As for edifying the Holy Spirit, what Bible do you read? Does yours have Jude 20?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Does that seem like a conundrum to you?

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Yeah it does

You seemed to contradict yourself. Thats a prety big conundrum

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And let us all not forget the gift of prophecy operated in a church meeting for the edification and teaching of the
body of Christ ...

Once again, Like your sister. Your most important issue is the gospel. What you think about prophetic word which occurred in the early church is secondary. I would focus on the gospel if I was you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Did Isaiah merely read Scripture aloud?
Did Daniel merely read Scripture aloud?
How about Moses? Amos? Jesus?

Um, no. Reading Scripture aloud is not prophesying. Reading Scripture aloud is not a spiritual gift given only to those God selects by His own wisdom.

As for edifying the Holy Spirit, what Bible do you read? Does yours have Jude 20?

Did any of them have a completed canon of scripture?

Yeah, I did not think so God was still giving his word.

 

[notuptome]

Not at all.
It is the clear teaching of scripture and also spoken of by Jesus himself.

You seem to have omitted the verses that support your position. Oh that's right there are none. Ephesians 2 lays out a clear explanation of the Holy Spirit and the conversion of the soul.

For the cause of Christ
Roger