Not By Works
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Amen sister, don't allow those who bear false witness and slander without evidence stop you.
John MacArthur is totally solid, but that doesn't mean every single thing he teaches we have to agree with. But he does preach the true Gospel of Christ, that it is all to his glory, and many on here and elsewhere have a real aversion to giving God all the glory, and will rush in to tell of what they do, their goodness, how they loved God while lost, how they chose...they...they...they...and always after a post giving God all the glory, they counter this and have an aversion this very thing.
Meditate on 1 Corinthians 1:26-31. There is not one place in there that says man chose, or that gives man glory, as in all texts of eternal salvation. It is all to God, yet others will rush right back to themselves when shown this truth.
Blessings!
John MacArthur is totally solid, but that doesn't mean every single thing he teaches we have to agree with. But he does preach the true Gospel of Christ, that it is all to his glory, and many on here and elsewhere have a real aversion to giving God all the glory, and will rush in to tell of what they do, their goodness, how they loved God while lost, how they chose...they...they...they...and always after a post giving God all the glory, they counter this and have an aversion this very thing.
Meditate on 1 Corinthians 1:26-31. There is not one place in there that says man chose, or that gives man glory, as in all texts of eternal salvation. It is all to God, yet others will rush right back to themselves when shown this truth.
Blessings!
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Hi bro.
Good to see you.
I hope you are well.
I have some J C Ryle stuff in my library. Not started reading them.
The elder preaching this morning, from the sermon on the mount quoted from him.
I didn't know this but he started as a Vicar in a church about 5 minutes from where I live.
God bless you bro
Good to see you.
I hope you are well.
I have some J C Ryle stuff in my library. Not started reading them.
The elder preaching this morning, from the sermon on the mount quoted from him.
I didn't know this but he started as a Vicar in a church about 5 minutes from where I live.
God bless you bro
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You are a good brother.
Thankful for you.
You are as patient with me with want I don't get.
And I'm as patient with others that I walk with that they don't get when I do.
I suppose and have come to the conclusion that God will reveal it at the right time.
Not just to release me but to help others to be realesed.
Thankful for you.
You are as patient with me with want I don't get.
And I'm as patient with others that I walk with that they don't get when I do.
I suppose and have come to the conclusion that God will reveal it at the right time.
Not just to release me but to help others to be realesed.
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@Macabeus what is at the center of this diagreement is two opposing doctrines.
One that John MacArthur teaches of one nature being transformed into the image of Christ.
And the other of the dual nature.
For those who follow the "one nature" doctrine evidence of works and obedience are essential because the believer only has one nature, many follow this teaching on this thread who still believe works are not part of salvation. In this doctrine people will state we are obligated to put works in there somewhere
In this area, I do believe scripture makes it abundantly clear that there are two natures in the born again believer, works will vary depending on the person and how willingly they walk in the Spirit....you do realize this does not mean they are ardent sinners it means they do not put themselves under grace, they are being good in the power of their own flesh.
I think that this is where the dispute can be resolved.
Here I can do it..... Scripture teaches we have two natures read Romans.
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One that John MacArthur teaches of one nature being transformed into the image of Christ.
And the other of the dual nature.
For those who follow the "one nature" doctrine evidence of works and obedience are essential because the believer only has one nature, many follow this teaching on this thread who still believe works are not part of salvation. In this doctrine people will state we are obligated to put works in there somewhere
In this area, I do believe scripture makes it abundantly clear that there are two natures in the born again believer, works will vary depending on the person and how willingly they walk in the Spirit....you do realize this does not mean they are ardent sinners it means they do not put themselves under grace, they are being good in the power of their own flesh.
I think that this is where the dispute can be resolved.
Here I can do it..... Scripture teaches we have two natures read Romans.
Okay all done
Never heard that sermon, and I have heard most of them.
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Not according to John MacArthur.
The following statements were made by him in the first two minutes of his sermon entitled "Roman Catholicism-True or False Gospel". It's available at youtube, for all to see.
"Our entire discussion tonight has one purpose. And that is to make sure that we understand that people caught up in the Roman system are not saved Christians. They are lost people on their way to eternal hell. We have to continue to evangelize them. We can not be deceived, we can not be fooled as if they belong to Christ, when in fact they do not. That has been the conviction of the true church for centuries. As you well know. We can not reach a point now where we re-designate people in the Roman Catholic church as believers in Christ, or we will cut them off from the necessary exposure to the true Gospel, which alone can bring them salvation."
John MacArthur.
Roman Catholicism-True or False Gospel
Perhaps you will label Mr. MacArthur as one who promotes "HATE CATHOLICISM PROPAGANDA " as well? (#101,832)
Maybe you should go listen to more of his tapes instead of making false accusations.
The following statements were made by him in the first two minutes of his sermon entitled "Roman Catholicism-True or False Gospel". It's available at youtube, for all to see.
John MacArthur.
Roman Catholicism-True or False Gospel
Perhaps you will label Mr. MacArthur as one who promotes "HATE CATHOLICISM PROPAGANDA " as well? (#101,832)
Maybe you should go listen to more of his tapes instead of making false accusations.
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As it pertains to this particular discussion, "not by works",
John MacArthur's name comes up often when discussing "Lordship salvation" and "Free grace".
Faith plus works or faith alone.
John MacArthur's name comes up often when discussing "Lordship salvation" and "Free grace".
Faith plus works or faith alone.
I’m new but Romans 1:16-17, Ephesians 2:8-9, John 3:16, and Romans 1-3 reaffirms for me.
By a faith from first to last, or faith to faith. By faith, through faith, in Jesus Christ alone we are justified. For this I am grateful!, and seek to please Him but any works from me do nothing for my salvation. They may however show my faith(ness) externally to others.
Read it put as “Not faith to works, not works to faith.”
By a faith from first to last, or faith to faith. By faith, through faith, in Jesus Christ alone we are justified. For this I am grateful!, and seek to please Him but any works from me do nothing for my salvation. They may however show my faith(ness) externally to others.
Read it put as “Not faith to works, not works to faith.”
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Seems you have three groups
The group that wishes to judge everyone and send them to hell if they do nto stop particular sins
The group that is afraid to offend anyone, so they are all inclusive
And the group that gets caught in the middle. Which as Christ said, does not judge people. But knows the most important thing is to get them the gospel so they can be saved, THEN allow the HS to work in them to change their lives.
The group that wishes to judge everyone and send them to hell if they do nto stop particular sins
The group that is afraid to offend anyone, so they are all inclusive
And the group that gets caught in the middle. Which as Christ said, does not judge people. But knows the most important thing is to get them the gospel so they can be saved, THEN allow the HS to work in them to change their lives.
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