The Days of the Lord, The comings of Christ, The Returning's of Jesus, The Advents, The Descending's of our Lord, ever heard of them?

[TheDivineWatermark]

[…] Satan bound 1000 yrs […] and that millennium period there will be no flesh. […]

I disagree that in the MK there will be "no flesh".

DURING the trib years leading up to it, is what is being described in Matt24:22's words, and concerning (re: "flesh"). Why would this be mentioned, in a context which has only (up to this point in Jesus' ministry) been concerned with the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom (and who will enter it).
The CONTEXT not covering our Rapture at all.



[gotta run... back later tonight! ]

 

[Nehemiah6]

Did you know that the KJV Bible is public domain, but not really?

It would be a good idea to keep your thread titles short.

The KJV may have not been in the public domain originally, but it certainly is today (unlike modern bible versions).

As to your queries, you will find all kinds of responses based upon all kinds of eschatologies. There is only one "day of the LORD" and it is not a 24 hour period.

 

[Ahwatukee]

We are in agreement if you believe "The 2nd Advent", He will descend as He ascended, The Lords Day, The Day of Vengeance, The day the dead are resurrected followed by "all are changed" that happens 3 1/2 days after the Two witnesses are killed and lie in the street and are raised with the breath of life, and at the brightness of His coming at the Last Trump which is the Furtherest one out, Satan bound 1000 yrs (how we know how long the Lords day really is) and that millennium period there will be no flesh. Just quick summary to see where we are, I agree, great way to start.

The millennial period will be populated by those great tribulation saints and Israel, who will have survived the time of God's wrath and the beasts reign. They will repopulated the earth during that thousand years. During that time, the church, the 144,000 and the great tribulation saints who will have been resurrected, will rule with Christ during that thousand years in their immortal and glorified bodies.

As I previously said in another post, the church must be removed prior to the Lord's return to the earth, because we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath. Therefore, if you have the church being resurrected and living in Christ being caught up at the same time that the Lord returns to the earth, then you will have put the church through the entire wrath of God.

The day of the Lord is initiated by the church being gathered, which is followed by God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

You are very confused in regarding end-time events and their order.

By the way, the resurrection which takes place after the Lord returns to the earth in Rev.20:4-6, is of the great tribulation saints and not the church. The church is resurrected prior to God's wrath, where the great tribulation saints are resurrected after God's wrath and after Jesus returns to the earth to end the age.

The first resurrection has stages or phases, with the Lord's resurrection being the first fruits the first fruits of the resurrection. Next will be the church, then the male child/144,000, the two witnesses and then the great tribulation saints. These all belong to the first resurrection, which is in opposition to the resurrection which takes place at the end of the thousand years, which concerns the unrighteous dead and which the second death has power over.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thank you. Please tell me what scripture you used for numbers 1-3. And also where the "Day of the Lord" s meaning is split up. Do you have anything on any of my other questions? I do use the Interlinear and the Strongs and have done a bit of research into this subject so I am very interested as to where I missed all this. Everyone keeps talking about this "7" year period. Are you getting this from the 2 - 3.5 periods?

Daniel 9. The final 7 year, 1/2 way through the abomination of desolation takes place. Jesus mentions this in Matt 24, and says at the e3nd of this time, He will return.

 

[DeighAnn]

Daniel 9. The final 7 year, 1/2 way through the abomination of desolation takes place. Jesus mentions this in Matt 24, and says at the e3nd of this time, He will return.

Is this the same time spoken of as being shortened in Matt 24:22, the time of Satans Tribulation?

 

[DeighAnn]

The millennial period will be populated by those great tribulation saints and Israel, who will have survived the time of God's wrath and the beasts reign. They will repopulated the earth during that thousand years. During that time, the church, the 144,000 and the great tribulation saints who will have been resurrected, will rule with Christ during that thousand years in their immortal and glorified bodies.

As I previously said in another post, the church must be removed prior to the Lord's return to the earth, because we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath. Therefore, if you have the church being resurrected and living in Christ being caught up at the same time that the Lord returns to the earth, then you will have put the church through the entire wrath of God.

The day of the Lord is initiated by the church being gathered, which is followed by God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

You are very confused in regarding end-time events and their order.

By the way, the resurrection which takes place after the Lord returns to the earth in Rev.20:4-6, is of the great tribulation saints and not the church. The church is resurrected prior to God's wrath, where the great tribulation saints are resurrected after God's wrath and after Jesus returns to the earth to end the age.

The first resurrection has stages or phases, with the Lord's resurrection being the first fruits the first fruits of the resurrection. Next will be the church, then the male child/144,000, the two witnesses and then the great tribulation saints. These all belong to the first resurrection, which is in opposition to the resurrection which takes place at the end of the thousand years, which concerns the unrighteous dead and which the second death has power over.

The church. Do you believe that it must be removed before Satans Tribulation? Do you believe that Satans Tribulation is the same as Gods Wrath?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The church. Do you believe that it must be removed before Satans Tribulation? Do you believe that Satans Tribulation is the same as Gods Wrath?

Satans tribulation?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Is this the same time spoken of as being shortened in Matt 24:22, the time of Satans Tribulation?

Matt 24 is Gods tribulation, Never heard the term satan’s can you explain?

We do not know what part of the great war the earth will be in when Christ returns, only that some event is about to happen, or literally is in action which will cause the death of all life. And for this reason, God stops the war with his return.

 

[DeighAnn]

Will

Matt 24 is Gods tribulation, Never heard the term satan’s can you explain?

We do not know what part of the great war the earth will be in when Christ returns, only that some event is about to happen, or literally is in action which will cause the death of all life. And for this reason, God stops the war with his return.

We are absolutely positive about when Christ will return. Maybe not what day, not what hour but we are given a few details that pinpoint it down to "some events".

The undisputable facts:
Before Christ returns these things must happen: 2 thess 2
1. a falling away
2. man of sin revealed
3. 7th trump

Starting with the Two Witnesses
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them and kill them and their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another: because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet: and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascend up to heaven in a cloud: and their enemies beheld them. And the SAME HOUR was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. The second woe is past: and behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the 7th angel sounded (THE 7TH TRUMP) and there were great voices in heaven saying The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for ever and ever. ......... And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
or put another way
And I heheld when He had opened the sixth seal, and lo there was a great earthquake and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together and every mountain and island were moved out of their places and the kings of the earth and the great men and the rich men and chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman and every freeman hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains: and said to the mountains and rock Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne, and from the WRATH OF THE LAMB. For the great day of His wrath is come and who shall be able to stand.
or put another way
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet stand in the holy place........Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! .......For THEN shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no nor ever shall be. AND except those days should be shortened there should no flesh be saved: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you LO HERE iS CHRIST or there BELIEVE IT NOT................Immediately after THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS (Satans days) shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken and THEN SHALL ALL the tribes of the earth mourn and they shall SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[DeighAnn]

The millennial period will be populated by those great tribulation saints and Israel, who will have survived the time of God's wrath and the beasts reign. They will repopulated the earth during that thousand years. During that time, the church, the 144,000 and the great tribulation saints who will have been resurrected, will rule with Christ during that thousand years in their immortal and glorified bodies.

As I previously said in another post, the church must be removed prior to the Lord's return to the earth, because we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath. Therefore, if you have the church being resurrected and living in Christ being caught up at the same time that the Lord returns to the earth, then you will have put the church through the entire wrath of God.

The day of the Lord is initiated by the church being gathered, which is followed by God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

You are very confused in regarding end-time events and their order.

By the way, the resurrection which takes place after the Lord returns to the earth in Rev.20:4-6, is of the great tribulation saints and not the church. The church is resurrected prior to God's wrath, where the great tribulation saints are resurrected after God's wrath and after Jesus returns to the earth to end the age.

The first resurrection has stages or phases, with the Lord's resurrection being the first fruits the first fruits of the resurrection. Next will be the church, then the male child/144,000, the two witnesses and then the great tribulation saints. These all belong to the first resurrection, which is in opposition to the resurrection which takes place at the end of the thousand years, which concerns the unrighteous dead and which the second death has power over.

Are you sure it is me?

 

[Blik]

I can not find a place where one Lords' Day references the other Lords' Day.

I can not find one place in scripture where the two "Days of the Lord" are mentioned together.

I can find no place where they are compared. or contrasted, to each other.

I can not find a place where the "verb" for either of these days is put forth as plural.

I can not a place suggesting that there would be a return of the Lord, before the Return of the Lord which comes "AFTER the falling away and AFTER the man of sin revealed, when ALL will be changed, and He returns as Lord of lords and King of kings, also called the 2nd Advent and/or the Day of Vengeance (the 2nd part of the sentence He was reading in the temple in Isaiah but instead of finishing shut the book because that 2nd day? was not at hand, (which you would think, if there was a day, before that day, that that day would be mentioned here at the very least)

I can not find a single place that says "the church", well, apparently not the whole church, just a part of the church, the part that doesn't contain Gods elect, or the 144 or those who will not be deceived or those who will be deceived", will be taken out before His return as King of kings. I can't find "His Title" for this event either. (Are there now 2 marriages? one before and one after?)

Apparently there is some sort of "instant" judgment, I guess that would have to be true for EVERYONE ALIVE at that moment in time. (Not at all like at the end of the tribulation when it will be so easy because everyone will either have the "Mark" or not.) I just think it would feel weird to TELL God, "I have been waiting for you to get here, just take me away, this is so much better than dying or sticking around to go through Satans trying to tempt me"
Will the ones "left" find out at that time, if they are either part of the Elect or the 144 (church of Smyrna), or if they are part of the others?

Does it seem really weird that there are pages and pages dedicated to "what to eat" but not a single, put forth straight so we can all strive for it paragraph on this, if it were true, one of the biggest events to ever happen to mankind?

Did you know that the KJV Bible is public domain, but not really?

If you are trying to point out errors in some of the doctrines of the established church you will fail. Jesus tried to do that when he lived here as a man and you know what they did to Jesus for that. The scholars of those days had the day the Messiah would come all figured out just as the scholars of today do about the last days, they used scripture to prove their point just as is done today, and they were wrong in their understanding just as the scholars of today are.

The doctrines of the church were set up by gentile ex idol worshippers who could not believe everything they had been taught as children was wrong so they included some of this into our church doctrine, for instance that their old cranky gods had new gods that had to take over. Now the old testament is from the old cranky God and Jesus had to take over. They even christianized their idol worshipping holidays.

A study of the development of church doctrine for the first 500 years AD would make this clear to anyone, and today we wouldn't have to travel to different libraries around the world to find this but it is available on our computers. The Catholic Church kept these records.

 

[DeighAnn]

Now I really beg you to open your eyes and ears for a moment and listen to what was written in this 2nd letter to the Thessalonians

The subject : THE COMING OF THE LORD and BY OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM

3 Let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come EXCEPT

1 there come a falling away FIRST
2 that man of sin be revealed

He goes on to say REMEMBER, ye not that when I was yet with you I told you these things?

So he has tried to clear up the "when". Seems pretty cut and dried to me, AFTER SATAN REVEALED. But seems there maybe should have been a lot more put forth so we would not be having these discussions today.

But some really good info about who is coming back with HIM when He does return. Maybe this will clear it up a bit.

Paraphrase: Here is the info you need so you don't come across as "uninformed" about what happens to our loved ones who die. Don't be sad like the people who don't believe in the risen Christ We who believe in and know Christ died and rose, SHOULD know this, that those who have died and gone onto be with Jesus, God is going to be bringing back with Him and even though our flesh will have never died we will all be back together again, all in our celestial bodies. And the spiritually dead, well, they get their celestial bodies but no "immortality", they are going to go through the next 1000 yrs that way.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel AND with the TRUMP of God. and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (I think this is the two witnesses) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The Lords Day is beginning. His foot will touch the Mount, the valley that cant be crossed cleaved, satan bound and pitted, all the goings on at the beginning to get the sheep and goats to the correct place (always reminds me of the wedding guest who got kicked out) And the Reigning with Christ and teaching begins

 

[DeighAnn]

If you are trying to point out errors in some of the doctrines of the established church you will fail. Jesus tried to do that when he lived here as a man and you know what they did to Jesus for that. The scholars of those days had the day the Messiah would come all figured out just as the scholars of today do about the last days, they used scripture to prove their point just as is done today, and they were wrong in their understanding just as the scholars of today are.

The doctrines of the church were set up by gentile ex idol worshippers who could not believe everything they had been taught as children was wrong so they included some of this into our church doctrine, for instance that their old cranky gods had new gods that had to take over. Now the old testament is from the old cranky God and Jesus had to take over. They even christianized their idol worshipping holidays.

A study of the development of church doctrine for the first 500 years AD would make this clear to anyone, and today we wouldn't have to travel to different libraries around the world to find this but it is available on our computers. The Catholic Church kept these records.

I don't care much about the churches and who did what. I believe in the Word of God. What no other generation has had, but WE DO, is the Prophecy of Israel becoming a nation come to pass. Jesus didn't suggest we learn the parable of the Fig tree, He straight up said "Now learn" . That is the entire game changer. And the difference between the last 6 or 8 thousand years, and the changes that have happened since 1948 are Screaming closer and louder everyday.

 

[DeighAnn]

It would be a good idea to keep your thread titles short.

The KJV may have not been in the public domain originally, but it certainly is today (unlike modern bible versions).

As to your queries, you will find all kinds of responses based upon all kinds of eschatologies. There is only one "day of the LORD" and it is not a 24 hour period.

Thank you and I 100% agree with everything you have said.

Yet, you would think if it truly was public domain you couldn't get in trouble for using it.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The church. Do you believe that it must be removed before Satans Tribulation? Do you believe that Satans Tribulation is the same as Gods Wrath?

First of all, the tribulation period, which is seven years in length, is NOT Satan's tribulation. During the tribulation God's wrath will be in process via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Everything that happens during that time is apart of God's tribulation. The term "Satan's tribulation" is an apologetic that was made up by those who want to place the church as being on the earth during the time of God's wrath.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Are you sure it is me?

Yes, I was quoting you. Did you not say the following regarding the thousand years:

"and that millennium period there will be no flesh."

In response to the above, I was telling you that the millennial period will be filled with Israel and those great tribulation saints who make it through the tribulation period alive. Those worthy will be allowed to enter into the millennial period and will repopulate the earth in their mortal bodies. Those who will have previously been resurrected and caught up (the church, 144,000 and the great tribulation saints) will rule with Christ during that thousand years in their immortal and glorified bodies. My point being is that, there will be those in the flesh during the thousand years.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Is this the same time spoken of as being shortened in Matt 24:22, the time of Satans Tribulation?

Hello again! The seven year period is divided up into two 3 1/2 year periods.

The seven years is initiated when that antichrist makes his covenant for one seven year period - Dan.9:27

The second half of the seven years begins when he causes the sacrifices and offerings to cease and sets up that abomination in the holy place within the temple.

Regarding the time of God's wrath, Jesus said that "if those days had not shortened, no one would be saved, i.e. no one would be left alive on the earth.


And once again, it is not Satan's tribulation, but is the time of God's wrath, which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. These are God's plagues of wrath, not Satan's. God just happens to use Satan and his angels to carry out his wrath. As an example of the this, I would draw your attention to the 5th trumpet, where an star/angel is given the key to the Abyss where he releases those demonic beings that resemble locusts and horses prepared for battle, with hair like women's hair and teeth like lions teeth. These are demonic beings that God will use to carry out His wrath.

Another example of this is the 6th trumpet, where the angel (holy) is told to go and release the four angels (Satan's) who are bound at the great river Euphrates. The fact that they are bound tells us that they are fallen angels that have been kept there for that specific hour, day, month and year to kill a third of mankind. The 200 million that those four angels gather, are also demonic beings who through fire, smoke and sulfur will kill a third of mankind.

Regarding the last seven years, this is derived from Dan.9:24 which states that seventy seven year periods have been decreed upon your people and their holy city. It is God's decree, not Satan's! And its purpose is to "stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place." During this time, God is also going pour His wrath out upon a Christ rejecting world:

"I will utterly sweep away everything from the face of the earth,” declares the LORD. I will sweep away man and beast; I will sweep away the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, and the idols with their wicked worshipers. I will cut off mankind from the face of the earth,” declares the LORD.

The above will be accomplished via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the by the plagues that the two witnesses cause. By the time the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, the majority of the earths population will have been decimated and all human government dismantled.

 

[DeighAnn]

I disagree that in the MK there will be "no flesh".

DURING the trib years leading up to it, is what is being described in Matt24:22's words, and concerning (re: "flesh"). Why would this be mentioned, in a context which has only (up to this point in Jesus' ministry) been concerned with the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom (and who will enter it).
The CONTEXT not covering our Rapture at all.



[gotta run... back later tonight! ]

Yes, I was quoting you. Did you not say the following regarding the thousand years:

"and that millennium period there will be no flesh."

In response to the above, I was telling you that the millennial period will be filled with Israel and those great tribulation saints who make it through the tribulation period alive. Those worthy will be allowed to enter into the millennial period and will repopulate the earth in their mortal bodies. Those who will have previously been resurrected and caught up (the church, 144,000 and the great tribulation saints) will rule with Christ during that thousand years in their immortal and glorified bodies. My point being is that, there will be those in the flesh during the thousand years.

Yes, I was quoting you. Did you not say the following regarding the thousand years:

"and that millennium period there will be no flesh."

In response to the above, I was telling you that the millennial period will be filled with Israel and those great tribulation saints who make it through the tribulation period alive. Those worthy will be allowed to enter into the millennial period and will repopulate the earth in their mortal bodies. Those who will have previously been resurrected and caught up (the church, 144,000 and the great tribulation saints) will rule with Christ during that thousand years in their immortal and glorified bodies. My point being is that, there will be those in the flesh during the thousand years.

1 Corinth 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God: neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold I shew you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and WE SHALL be changed....

Me, I am not going to be one that says "God got it wrong here, He didn't mean ALL, even when He said All" and until someone can make that disappear I will not hear "Let me tell you what He meant when He said....


So at the last trump, like it or not ALL flesh will be done away with and EVERY soul will be in their celestial body. And here is why that has to be. GOD is just. And at the end of the 1000 yrs, there will not be a single soul who will be able to look at God and say "I could of done better but this body of mine with XXX problems made it impossible for me, so you just weren't fair" No, it will not be about any "body" blaming for anything.

 

[DeighAnn]

First of all, the tribulation period, which is seven years in length, is NOT Satan's tribulation. During the tribulation God's wrath will be in process via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Everything that happens during that time is apart of God's tribulation. The term "Satan's tribulation" is an apologetic that was made up by those who want to place the church as being on the earth during the time of God's wrath.

Matthew 24: 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth let him understand Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And, Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day. For THEN shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no nor ever shall be. AND except those days should be shortened there should no flesh be saved: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you LO HERE iS CHRIST or there BELIEVE IT NOT For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders: insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert: go not forth behold he is in the secret chambers believe it not. For as lightning cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west so shall the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is there will the eagles be gathered together. Immediately after THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS (Satans days) shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken and THEN SHALL ALL the tribes of the earth mourn and they shall SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[DeighAnn]

Yes, I was quoting you. Did you not say the following regarding the thousand years:

"and that millennium period there will be no flesh."

In response to the above, I was telling you that the millennial period will be filled with Israel and those great tribulation saints who make it through the tribulation period alive. Those worthy will be allowed to enter into the millennial period and will repopulate the earth in their mortal bodies. Those who will have previously been resurrected and caught up (the church, 144,000 and the great tribulation saints) will rule with Christ during that thousand years in their immortal and glorified bodies. My point being is that, there will be those in the flesh during the thousand years.

Matthew 22:23 I paraphrase One woman marries 7 brothers Question who will be her husband in the resurrection. 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, YE DO ERR, NOT KNOWING THE Scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

There will no longer be "male and female" or any sort of "re-population" of the earth. The only thing happening with numbers from that point on, and we are speaking eternal here, is there is going to be a big decrease in a little over a thousand years from the beginning of the Lords Day, at the Great throne judgment when the books are opened and the lake of fire consumes all that is evil forever blotted out, just like the smoke that comes from the fat when it drops on a hot coal.