is bible the word of God
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I would encourage you to read John 1:1 and then all the OT prophets. It may shed some light on things for you. The word is throughout the "word" (scripture)
and yes, there is a distinction between the father and the son even in the OT.
As to the Quran...I read it when I was incarcerated. I was angry and searching. I found it had "an echo" of truth but so does the enemy. When you dig deeper as in a zealous thirst for truth, you start to see holes. Things that don't bear up under real storms and true peril.
I only read it once but it didn't really "speak" to me. It brought up the question on whether Jehovah and Allah were the same but without real study and the Lord actually being for my pursuit I wouldn't venture there again. Wrath is a thing.
As to the OP though. I don't know. I think it is. It seems to be. No other book has every "refined" me. Strengthened me.
Sure some have told me exactly what I wanted to hear....but in a "eating dessert before the meal" kind of way. The result was ultimately unfulfilling.
I'll have to think a little longer on the subject but in the end this I do believe. The Lord rewards those that dilligently seek him. Keep digging and keep searching. There are parts of the Word that are confusing. Open up the dialogue
and yes, there is a distinction between the father and the son even in the OT.
As to the Quran...I read it when I was incarcerated. I was angry and searching. I found it had "an echo" of truth but so does the enemy. When you dig deeper as in a zealous thirst for truth, you start to see holes. Things that don't bear up under real storms and true peril.
I only read it once but it didn't really "speak" to me. It brought up the question on whether Jehovah and Allah were the same but without real study and the Lord actually being for my pursuit I wouldn't venture there again. Wrath is a thing.
As to the OP though. I don't know. I think it is. It seems to be. No other book has every "refined" me. Strengthened me.
Sure some have told me exactly what I wanted to hear....but in a "eating dessert before the meal" kind of way. The result was ultimately unfulfilling.
I'll have to think a little longer on the subject but in the end this I do believe. The Lord rewards those that dilligently seek him. Keep digging and keep searching. There are parts of the Word that are confusing. Open up the dialogue
This is an interesting position to take.
The bible is not an obvious book, it is a record of Gods speaking and mans response.
The message it brings is the important thing, not the individual ways it is expressed.
And that message is God is love, holy and true, while man is lost, fallen, distorted and sinful.
There is no bridge over this divide except Jesus. Jesus can change us, our hearts, our direction.
Unfortunately the Quran is neither in any plain language, 20% is totally unintelligible. The rest
is part stories and instructions which are hidden and obscure. Mohammed did not believe in love
or Gods two greatest commands, Love God with your heart, strength and mind and love your
neighbour as yourself.
Rather Mohammed was a true legalist, and took the view that only legalism could earn merit before
God, and constructed a theology of earning merit to offset the evil one had done in ones life.
His claim that the bible is corrupt, failed in the fact he declared the revelation in scripture was true
but had been later corrupted. As can be shown the message has never been corrupted but rather
Muhammeds message is the corrupted version of Gods revelation.
The bible is not an obvious book, it is a record of Gods speaking and mans response.
The message it brings is the important thing, not the individual ways it is expressed.
And that message is God is love, holy and true, while man is lost, fallen, distorted and sinful.
There is no bridge over this divide except Jesus. Jesus can change us, our hearts, our direction.
Unfortunately the Quran is neither in any plain language, 20% is totally unintelligible. The rest
is part stories and instructions which are hidden and obscure. Mohammed did not believe in love
or Gods two greatest commands, Love God with your heart, strength and mind and love your
neighbour as yourself.
Rather Mohammed was a true legalist, and took the view that only legalism could earn merit before
God, and constructed a theology of earning merit to offset the evil one had done in ones life.
His claim that the bible is corrupt, failed in the fact he declared the revelation in scripture was true
but had been later corrupted. As can be shown the message has never been corrupted but rather
Muhammeds message is the corrupted version of Gods revelation.
Islam - the faith of distraction
All muslim communities have an obscure book, the Koran which lays out some odd statements and
sentence structures, disjointed and none flowing stories, partly biblical, partly folk tale.
Then one has thousands of saying of Mohammed, the Haddith, each haddith is a few sentences which as a whole
form the backbone of their theology and practice. It is odd that the Koran is Gods word, yet the haddith which
forms the faith, is not. But then everything in this faith is like this. Claiming one position and then denying
it at the next moment.
The core approach is it is blasphemy to question anything, just accept the teacher and their edicts.
All a believer has to do is accept good behaviour hallel and avoid bad behaviour haram.
It is anti-intellectual, and simply bans or isolates ideas or people it does not like.
I spoke once to an Imam about the Holy Spirit who they claim is actually Muhammed, that clearly in the
gospel of John, Jesus is talking about the Holy Spirit who falls on the apostles in Jerusalem, as recorded
in the book of Acts. His response was not to investigate this, but was to go back to the authority of truth
his Imam.
So a faith that is unclear and involved, can get away with this approach, because to get any position definatively
defined, means it can be attacked and denied, but a fluid distant faith, can just attack the questioner as a infidel.
The failure of this approach to life is the societies it produces, abuse, corruption and exploitation of people, and
dictatorships where any opposition is crushed with brutal force of execution. In Saudi a person can go from
accused to dead within a few months. To speak out against such behaviour is apostasy punishable by death.
It is no wonder societies once gripped by such an idiology sink without trace. How can the poor, the down
trodden, those dealt with unjustly ever be heard or prosper?
All muslim communities have an obscure book, the Koran which lays out some odd statements and
sentence structures, disjointed and none flowing stories, partly biblical, partly folk tale.
Then one has thousands of saying of Mohammed, the Haddith, each haddith is a few sentences which as a whole
form the backbone of their theology and practice. It is odd that the Koran is Gods word, yet the haddith which
forms the faith, is not. But then everything in this faith is like this. Claiming one position and then denying
it at the next moment.
The core approach is it is blasphemy to question anything, just accept the teacher and their edicts.
All a believer has to do is accept good behaviour hallel and avoid bad behaviour haram.
It is anti-intellectual, and simply bans or isolates ideas or people it does not like.
I spoke once to an Imam about the Holy Spirit who they claim is actually Muhammed, that clearly in the
gospel of John, Jesus is talking about the Holy Spirit who falls on the apostles in Jerusalem, as recorded
in the book of Acts. His response was not to investigate this, but was to go back to the authority of truth
his Imam.
So a faith that is unclear and involved, can get away with this approach, because to get any position definatively
defined, means it can be attacked and denied, but a fluid distant faith, can just attack the questioner as a infidel.
The failure of this approach to life is the societies it produces, abuse, corruption and exploitation of people, and
dictatorships where any opposition is crushed with brutal force of execution. In Saudi a person can go from
accused to dead within a few months. To speak out against such behaviour is apostasy punishable by death.
It is no wonder societies once gripped by such an idiology sink without trace. How can the poor, the down
trodden, those dealt with unjustly ever be heard or prosper?
That's not true.
The existing ancient manuscripts of the Bible are in far greater agreement than ancient copies of the Quran, and that is still true even though Christians don't go around burning all traces of disagreement so they can say there isn't any.
And Jesus IS the gospel; He wasn't 'given it'
The existing ancient manuscripts of the Bible are in far greater agreement than ancient copies of the Quran, and that is still true even though Christians don't go around burning all traces of disagreement so they can say there isn't any.
And Jesus IS the gospel; He wasn't 'given it'
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Arabic inconsistencies in translation
A group went through the middle east and started to compare Korans, how they expressed different
phrases. Surprisingly they actually differed across different books.
Now this is not supposed to have happened. It is possible different writers are expressing local variations
of arabic in different regions, but the claim is simply there are no differences. Opppps.
If you have a culture that does not check or question statements, things like this go on without anyone
noticing, or even checking
So the uncorrupted faith is corrupting itself, ironic that .....
A group went through the middle east and started to compare Korans, how they expressed different
phrases. Surprisingly they actually differed across different books.
Now this is not supposed to have happened. It is possible different writers are expressing local variations
of arabic in different regions, but the claim is simply there are no differences. Opppps.
If you have a culture that does not check or question statements, things like this go on without anyone
noticing, or even checking
So the uncorrupted faith is corrupting itself, ironic that .....
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Jibril - I have always wondered about this. Muhammed was visited in the presence of others by a spirit,
called Jibril that only he could see. His wife at the start accepted this was ok, as long as the spirit disappeared
when she dropped her face veil.
Now is you knew someone who went into a trance, and acted oddly claiming he was speaking to an
angel that specifically chose him as the "prophet" you would not actually accept him as some great authority
but rather a someone suffering from some mental illness or certainly not really there.
Worse still if this guy starts claiming that his first revelations have been super-ceded by later revelations, nothing
is actually authoritative if it can be wiped out by later declarations. Put simply I can declare it is all wrong,
sent merely to distract those willing to follow legalism at any cost, but now the real truth is made clear, and
in this theology be 100% correct.
But if you accept abandoning thought and truth to follow a set of rules which cannot be questioned or thought
through, you will become whatever this group decides is reality without any regard to reality or truth itself.
And any other group are literally threatened by this idiology, because it defines itself as the only reference point
without respect for others, or desires to persuade others, but rather just conquer.
called Jibril that only he could see. His wife at the start accepted this was ok, as long as the spirit disappeared
when she dropped her face veil.
Now is you knew someone who went into a trance, and acted oddly claiming he was speaking to an
angel that specifically chose him as the "prophet" you would not actually accept him as some great authority
but rather a someone suffering from some mental illness or certainly not really there.
Worse still if this guy starts claiming that his first revelations have been super-ceded by later revelations, nothing
is actually authoritative if it can be wiped out by later declarations. Put simply I can declare it is all wrong,
sent merely to distract those willing to follow legalism at any cost, but now the real truth is made clear, and
in this theology be 100% correct.
But if you accept abandoning thought and truth to follow a set of rules which cannot be questioned or thought
through, you will become whatever this group decides is reality without any regard to reality or truth itself.
And any other group are literally threatened by this idiology, because it defines itself as the only reference point
without respect for others, or desires to persuade others, but rather just conquer.
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There is an apocropha book which Abraham is seen as being argued over whether his good works
outweighed his evil works. If he had more good works he would go to heaven if less he would go
to hell to be tortured, by having ones skin burnt off, regrown and burnt off again eternally.
Mohammed seemed to say that prayer and other good deeds bought one 100 or 1000 times good
points that helped cancel out the bad deeds done. So if you get enough good point paradise bound
you are guaranteed. Or of course is you die a martyr to the cause in Jihad.
The funny idea here is if you get 49.9999 good deeds to 50.0001 bad deeds you are doomed to hell,
but 50.0001 good deeds to 49.9999 bad deeds you are set for paradise, so 0.00001 difference sets it
all off. This is their view is what one sees as justice.
No surprise things get very mucked up.
outweighed his evil works. If he had more good works he would go to heaven if less he would go
to hell to be tortured, by having ones skin burnt off, regrown and burnt off again eternally.
Mohammed seemed to say that prayer and other good deeds bought one 100 or 1000 times good
points that helped cancel out the bad deeds done. So if you get enough good point paradise bound
you are guaranteed. Or of course is you die a martyr to the cause in Jihad.
The funny idea here is if you get 49.9999 good deeds to 50.0001 bad deeds you are doomed to hell,
but 50.0001 good deeds to 49.9999 bad deeds you are set for paradise, so 0.00001 difference sets it
all off. This is their view is what one sees as justice.
No surprise things get very mucked up.
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Mohammed and John Smith had a lot in common. There is a common thread to those that start their own religion. I think it can be summed up by a quote from L. Ron Hubbard, the prolific science fiction writer, “Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wanted to make a million dollars, the best way to do it would be start his own religion.”
The test of a religion is how it’s founder lived and died, not what they said.
The test of a religion is how it’s founder lived and died, not what they said.
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