Texas televangelist Kenneth Copeland came under fire this...

[cv5]

I have noted that poor people have little to no ability to promote the gospel of Christ. Poverty is a curse of the Law. Some ministers of Christ flourish under prosperity provided by a very wealthy God, while poor ministers have a very limited local effect, mostly trying to relate to poverty. None of those have an effect like any apostle of Jesus.

A few disciples have figured out that flying commercial severely limits one's available free time to do anything but get to the workplace and returning. How many of you doing that can honestly say they are impacting the world for Christ doing that?

When able to plan an agenda, plan a route, plan engagements like a CEO of a corporation, or an official of government, why waste precious time with commercial air schedules, layovers, or others delays when souls are of more importance?

Major sports teams fly private jets, and many become very wealthy. Why do that? Well, most have to meet opponents wherever scheduled. So why not gospel preachers with sometimes startling messages who have engagements of eternal consequences? Which is more important? If you say NBA is, then you put NBA ahead of the Kingdom of God. Why? More entertaining to you? Would the crucifixion of Christ have been more entertaining?

Is that some kind of apologetic for Copelands profligacy? The man is uttery damed along with every single member of his mega scam church.

People heading to hell always drag as many other with them as possible. Copeland more than most.

 

[cv5]

Poverty is a curse of the Law, while plenty is a blessing of the Lord. You are free to choose which to live by, especially in a free nation like the USA. You are free to live under a tarp downtown among rats and filth until the city outlaws that mode of living. You also can WORK towards blessedness. WHy attack successful people? Few if any inherit that, so get in line with God and prosper, if you dare. Many seem to fear success. Why? Is it because accountability comes with success?

Pity John the Baptist. Cursed!
Pity Mary and Joseph. Cursed!
Pity Paul and Barnabas. Cursed!

Copeland and his gang of maelfactors have trained you well.

 

[cv5]

What of the NEED of support for reaching the world with the gospel of Christ? Are you not part of that challenge? Do you not care that it costs a lot of money and manpower to spread the gospel to billions of people? Do you know how much KCM has done with contributions to do that? Do you care at all? How does your contribution stack up besides faulty words on the internet?

I say you are among the children of the Devil opposed to the last days effort to complete God's harvest of souls. Your words verify that hatred. A few Christian ministries are doing it, but you oppose! Those that work hard at the ministry profit per the promise of God. He profits ministries for the purpose of spreading the gospel of Christ. I doubt you have done squat towards that goal.

You must hate Abraham with seething hatred since he became very wealthy as a dear friend of God. God fix you.

Are you trying to connect wealth to salvation?

You had better try harder. Lots harder. Like defying God harder.

 

[cv5]

I praise God He gives us the day our daily bread.

Financially, according to the world’s standards, my family isn’t rich. But thank God we have what we need. Food on the table. Bills are paid. We have jobs. We are able to give to our local fellowship. We even sponsor a child in a different country.

Just because we don’t have millions doesn’t mean we are not able to impact the world around us with the Gospel. Our work place, our neighborhood, our city IS our mission field.

You can't take your money to heaven, nor your sin or your fallen flesh.

You can however take the real treasure which are redeemed souls.

 

[KelbyofGod]

Being blessed (whether spiritually or in the natural) often means that you have more than those around you.

I'm not saying Kenneth Copeland is using his blessings correctly. And I'm not saying you or I are always using our blessings correctly.

But in agreement with Word_Swordsman, I would suggest that berating those you feel have too much, instead of praying for them, is NOT a godly response.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[Guojing]

Being blessed (whether spiritually or in the natural) often means that you have more than those around you.

I'm not saying Kenneth Copeland is using his blessings correctly. And I'm not saying you or I are always using our blessings correctly.

But in agreement with Word_Swordsman, I would suggest that berating those you feel have too much, instead of praying for them, is NOT a godly response.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Agree, I would say simply, "Don't judge others by how much they reap from the Lord, if you have no idea how much they sow to the Lord."

 

[Waggles]

Agree, I would say simply, "Don't judge others by how much they reap from the Lord, if you have no idea how much they sow to the Lord."

Being blessed (whether spiritually or in the natural) often means that you have more than those around you.

This notion that one can count their blessings by dollars and cents is spiritually very wrong.
There are many "rich" people in our church - they are rich or wealthy because this is what they deem to be important and work hard
for this achievement. Often they say, "the Lord has blessed me."
Then there are many poor or low-income peoples in our church as well. According to the prosperity gospel preached here in this thread,
such people are not blessed; not honoured and upheld by God.
They must be at fault. Not righteous enough or still have sins that deny them the blessings of wealth.

All of this is complete doctrinal rubbish. God gives to people what they pray for and desire most in their lives.
Some people desire and pray for worldly wealth as an expression of their approval by God.
Other people pray for spiritual blessings and how to serve their brothers and sisters. Praying often for healings and miracles and blessings for others in need.

The rich man's wealth is his strong city, and as an high wall in his own conceit.
Proverbs 18:11

 

[Waggles]

12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw—
13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.
14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
1Corinthians 3:

 

[Guojing]

This notion that one can count their blessings by dollars and cents is spiritually very wrong.
There are many "rich" people in our church - they are rich or wealthy because this is what they deem to be important and work hard
for this achievement. Often they say, "the Lord has blessed me."
Then there are many poor or low-income peoples in our church as well. According to the prosperity gospel preached here in this thread,
such people are not blessed; not honoured and upheld by God.
They must be at fault. Not righteous enough or still have sins that deny them the blessings of wealth.

All of this is complete doctrinal rubbish. God gives to people what they pray for and desire most in their lives.
Some people desire and pray for worldly wealth as an expression of their approval by God.
Other people pray for spiritual blessings and how to serve their brothers and sisters. Praying often for healings and miracles and blessings for others in need.

The rich man's wealth is his strong city, and as an high wall in his own conceit.
Proverbs 18:11

The principle of sowing and reaping is given by God.

 

[Dan58]

"Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" & "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. (Matthew 5: 3&5).

Guys like Kenneth Copeland & Jesse Duplantis are money grubbing leaches who should sell their jets, fly commercial, and give the excess money to feed the poor. One verse comes to mind when I hear about people who get rich off Christ name; "For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things" (Philippians 3:18-19).

 

[Waggles]

15 And he said to them, “Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance
of his possessions.”
16 And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man produced plentifully,
17 and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’
18 And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods.
19 And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.”’
20 But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’
21 So is the one who lays up treasure for himself and is not rich toward God.”
Luke 12:
The prosperity gospel promotes giving to the Lord: that is give to me [celebrity minister] and you are giving to the Lord.
And not only that the Lord shall bless you on my behalf and give what you want abundantly.
I believe it was a similar gospel with its monetary practices that got Luther motivated to changes things for the better.

 

[calibob]

"Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" & "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. (Matthew 5: 3&5).

Guys like Kenneth Copeland & Jesse Duplantis are money grubbing leaches who should sell their jets, fly commercial, and give the excess money to feed the poor. One verse comes to mind when I hear about people who get rich off Christ name; "For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things" (Philippians 3:18-19).

Do not be followers of men.>
65And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”
Peter’s Confession of Faith, John 6: 66As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore. 67So Jesus said to the twelve, “You do not want to go away also, do you?” 68Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. 69“We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.

 

[cv5]

Being blessed (whether spiritually or in the natural) often means that you have more than those around you.

I'm not saying Kenneth Copeland is using his blessings correctly. And I'm not saying you or I are always using our blessings correctly.

But in agreement with Word_Swordsman, I would suggest that berating those you feel have too much, instead of praying for them, is NOT a godly response.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Copeland is a latter day false prophet. Every word he utters is a greater or lesser heresy. He fits the biblical description of a bogus shepherd to a tee. That being said, the debate
concerning Copelands so called blessedness is irrelevant.

 

[cv5]

Agree, I would say simply, "Don't judge others by how much they reap from the Lord, if you have no idea how much they sow to the Lord."

I would say judge Copeland by his words and fruits. The man is heading to the hell created for Satan and his fallen angels. Get a grip on reality.

 

[bluto]

Being blessed (whether spiritually or in the natural) often means that you have more than those around you.

I'm not saying Kenneth Copeland is using his blessings correctly. And I'm not saying you or I are always using our blessings correctly.

But in agreement with Word_Swordsman, I would suggest that berating those you feel have too much, instead of praying for them, is NOT a godly response.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

I'm afraid your out of touch with reality as it concerns word of faith teachings and its teachers. copeland and others of his "ilk" would never have gotten where they are if it were not for people who fall for their heretical teachings and their "scams."

You have to look hard at wof teachings and peel back the onion (so to speak) as to what they really mean. For instance, God does not "absolutely GUARANTEE PHYSICAL HEALING." Or Jesus Christ did not die "spiritually" on that cross. What does dying spiritually mean? Who would qualify to die spiritually? Does Jesus? Here are a couple of more sites. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/word-faith.html https://bereanresearch.org/white-paper-word-of-faith/

So, please read the sites I posted and you tell me if what they teach is Biblical? Also keep in mind that truth is often mixed with error to make it sound and appear "orthodox."

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[KelbyofGod]

In all honesty, I wasn't defending bad behaviors or bad doctrines by Kenneth Copeland or anyone else. I was questioning how WE handle someone's potential bad behavior when we see it. For example, which did we do first; point an accusing finger...or spend an hour praying for them? Please don't think I always choose the latter...but I do know it to be the safer option.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[Word_Swordsman]

A couple of thoughts come to mind when reading this thread.....

It is more blessed to give than receive

Labor so we can give to those that need it

So why not have you compile a list of people doing that? Are you on that list? Or would you rather God keep the books?

 

[bluto]

In all honesty, I wasn't defending bad behaviors or bad doctrines by Kenneth Copeland or anyone else. I was questioning how WE handle someone's potential bad behavior when we see it. For example, which did we do first; point an accusing finger...or spend an hour praying for them? Please don't think I always choose the latter...but I do know it to be the safer option.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

I fully understand what your saying but what I don't understand is why your "assuming" he and others like him are not being prayed for? And I can assure you it's alot more than an hour. And btw, I have been exposing wof teachers and their heretical teachings since the late 1970's. You should also know that many have gone and confronted them personally just as the Bible prescribes.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[dcontroversal]

So why not have you compile a list of people doing that? Are you on that list? Or would you rather God keep the books?

a. Not my responsibility
b. I do not boast in what I do
c. And what on earth are you talking about

 

[Word_Swordsman]

I'm afraid your out of touch with reality as it concerns word of faith teachings and its teachers. copeland and others of his "ilk" would never have gotten where they are if it were not for people who fall for their heretical teachings and their "scams."

You have to look hard at wof teachings and peel back the onion (so to speak) as to what they really mean. For instance, God does not "absolutely GUARANTEE PHYSICAL HEALING." Or Jesus Christ did not die "spiritually" on that cross. What does dying spiritually mean? Who would qualify to die spiritually? Does Jesus? Here are a couple of more sites. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/word-faith.html https://bereanresearch.org/white-paper-word-of-faith/

So, please read the sites I posted and you tell me if what they teach is Biblical? Also keep in mind that truth is often mixed with error to make it sound and appear "orthodox."

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Bluto, you will benefit far more from the scriptures alone. It's obvious you are allowing the general media to shape your thoughts. Actual Word of Faith sermons actually are solid Bible based lesson covering all aspects of Christian life in the mode of FAITH instead of worn out powerless religious junk preaching on social issues. A skeptic stumbles across a sermon that includes MONEY, and the skeptics go wild. Jesus preached on the subject of MONEY more than HEAVEN. Prosperity is still preferred by God over poverty. It's a matter of blessing v. curse. God lets people choose poverty and blessings. Choose. The media you choose so far is persuading you to go for the low life. I stick to the Bible.