Born Again Speaking in Tongues

[Absolutely]

I am not saying we do not have an experience when we come to Christ. I know I certainly did. God spoke to me in no uncertain terms, telling me he was the Saviour of the world, to follow him, and to repent of my evil ways, including drinking.

The problem, (if this becomes our spiritual walk - speaking in tongues),is 5, 10 or 15 years later, all we have are a few experiences, and we have not matured into the image of Christ. That happens by really digging deep in the Word, and allowing the Holy Spirit to CHANGE and TRANSFORM us. That is the Scriptural progression from justification to sanctification.

"Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will." Romans 12:1-2

Romans is the plan of salvation, from sinner through to worker for Christ. Not once is tongues mentioned. Instead, Paul emphasizes, like in other places, that we need to cooperate with the Holy Spirit, not by raving in unknown tongues, but rather by RENEWING OUR MINDS!

How do we renew our minds? By reading the Word, by studying the Word, and also by prayer, fellowship with our brothers and sisters, and certainly service to Christ. He is the King, there is no where in Scripture that suggests one chapter, or worse, one verse Acts 2:38 is the gospel. That is starting point, it is not the Christian walk.

I actually feel pity for people who are just stuck in this dead end where tongues are the be all and all. (I'm not saying this of every person who speaks in tongues, Gordon Fee certainly puts that myth to bed), but the majority of tongue speakers are just stuck, and it is so sad.

One thing that God did tell me, when he called me by name, was to read the Bible daily. I've always tried to keep to that - as well as studying the Bible, learning the original languages and hermeneutics. And the Holy Spirit is always there to lead and guide me. But he leads and guides me in the Word! Not in experiences.

There is nothing wrong with feeling joy in the Lord, or peace, or any other feeling. But, if these experiences become the end goal, then I believe Satan has won his battle. Anything that keeps you away from transforming your mind, and being transformed into the image of Christ, or till Christ is formed in you, is not from God.

"My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you," Gal. 4:19

"And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit." 2 Cor. 3:18

We do not transform our minds by speaking in tongues, but rather, by studying, memorizing and reading the Word. The lie I am fighting has left people dead while shouting at the top of their lungs utter nonsense. God wants everyone to find their gifts, as per Romans 12:3-8. The fruits of the Spirit are given though the Holy Spirit, but not by standing around patting themselves on the back that all they need to do is speak in tongues. Instead, the Holy Spirit wants us serving God, and one another. The Holy Spirit wants us to be on mission with God, spreading the REAL gospel, the one in 1 Corinthians.

"Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve.6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born." 1 Cor. 15:1-8

If you believe that you need to be baptized in water to be saved, or speak in tongues to be saved, or even to experience the fullness of God, you have not been reading what Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles wrote above. The witness is to the cross and the resurrection, not to speaking in tongues on the day of Pentecost. That is a false gospel. Tongues were given as a sign that the Holy Spirit would accompany each believer from that day first. It was the promise fulfilled that Jesus would send the Paraclete, and the church would be born. Anything else is adding to the gospel.

".... but the majority of tongue speakers are just stuck, and it is so sad."

That is like saying "salvation is futile since the majority of MY CIRCLE are backslidden and just plain stuck,so better to not bother with salvation."



The greatest prophecy in the bible came from a man launched into the world from pentecost...JOHN.
"I WAS IN THE SPIRIT on the Lords day"

And i love the words of Jesus " The 5 wise carried extra OIL while the 5 foolish DID NOT"
The Holy Spirit "oil" recieved through the laying on of hands as recorded in the book of acts.
The 5 foolish requested that same impartation.
So vividly in contrast to your testimony.

The things of the spirit are not mentally discerned.
"Paul emphasizes, like in other places, that we need to cooperate with the Holy Spirit, not by raving in unknown tongues, but rather by RENEWING OUR MINDS!"


Lets simplify this.
Yes salvation is not speaking in tongues.
Jesus said"it is expedient for you that I leave,for I will send the comforter,the Holy Spirit...."

At pentecost the power was poured out.
Now,what is the power for ?
For our walk,to walk holy,and for ministry to fulfill the great commission.
We see the woman at the well receive prophesy,rebuke,revelation,edification,inspiration, THROUGH the Holy Spirit baptised savior.
Jesus was filled with the spirit FIRST, or "pre ministry"
He instructed his disciples in the SAME PATTERN. " tarry in Jerusalem till you are ENDUED WITH POWER." The Holy Spirit came upon them with no river or baptismal anywhere around them amd tongues were the result. Just as natural in the spirit as air and water to the life of man. The Holy Ghost baptised man has an abundant life outside this world. Like Paul,he speaks in tongues,his mind is unaware of the interpretation,but he basks in the power and presence during the utterence. " my spirit is edified,not my mind"


NOW, i can not hope to speak in tongues unless the power of God( the Holy Spirit) is upon me.
Speaking in tongues is what i do UNDER THE POWER.
SO,YOUR ENTIRE PREMISE IS BOGGUS.

You have formulated in your mind,outside of truth,that tongues is a mental exercise,and harmful to the walk.

In direct contrast to heaven's reality

 

[Absolutely]

As usual more rubbish.

Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

....and we will note how you denied praying in tongues with such "authority"
Here is yet another verse testifying against you;
1 Corinthians 14:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

Face it.you haven't a clue.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Can not be uttered, ie, we do not hear the HS pray, He prays for us in the background, He does it all the time, and I praise God he does it. Because I know God has my back.

 

[dcontroversal]

Saul of tarsus thought he was on fire for God also.

Just because people are doing things, does not mean a thing.

Like I have said.....the only church that had an issue with this and that promoted this like many on here do was spiritually immature, carnal and had some 15 errors....and that is a factual statement.........now the church at Ephesus was MATURE and PAUL tells them exactly what SIGNS are seen in those that are CONTINUALLY filled with the SPIRIT.....and speaking in unknown languages is NOT LISTED......end of story....the facts on the ground are clear enough and it is idiotic to say that one MUST SPEAK in TONGUES or they are not saved.....that right there is false religion speaking no matter how one slices and dices.....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign.

I will pit my faith in the unseen over their faith in the seen or experienced 24/7!


Its one thing to do a sign, and see soemthign you think is an answer

Its another to just pray, Ask God, and stand back and watch God work!

 

[dcontroversal]

A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign.

I will pit my faith in the unseen over their faith in the seen or experienced 24/7!


Its one thing to do a sign, and see soemthign you think is an answer

Its another to just pray, Ask God, and stand back and watch God work!

AMEN....personally I do not need signs to have faith.......why....because FAITH is given in measure by GOD....one either has it or they don't!

 

[mailmandan]

the facts on the ground are clear enough and it is idiotic to say that one MUST SPEAK in TONGUES or they are not saved.....that right there is false religion speaking no matter how one slices and dices.....

That is my biggest concern in regards to speaking in tongues. To teach that ONLY those who speak in tongues are saved is a false, ludicrous doctrine - “no tongues, no indwelling Holy Spirit” and is a perversion of the gospel!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I am not saying we do not have an experience when we come to Christ. I know I certainly did. God spoke to me in no uncertain terms, telling me he was the Saviour of the world, to follow him, and to repent of my evil ways, including drinking.

The problem, (if this becomes our spiritual walk - speaking in tongues),is 5, 10 or 15 years later, all we have are a few experiences, and we have not matured into the image of Christ. That happens by really digging deep in the Word, and allowing the Holy Spirit to CHANGE and TRANSFORM us. That is the Scriptural progression from justification to sanctification.

"Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will." Romans 12:1-2

Romans is the plan of salvation, from sinner through to worker for Christ. Not once is tongues mentioned. Instead, Paul emphasizes, like in other places, that we need to cooperate with the Holy Spirit, not by raving in unknown tongues, but rather by RENEWING OUR MINDS!

How do we renew our minds? By reading the Word, by studying the Word, and also by prayer, fellowship with our brothers and sisters, and certainly service to Christ. He is the King, there is no where in Scripture that suggests one chapter, or worse, one verse Acts 2:38 is the gospel. That is starting point, it is not the Christian walk.

I actually feel pity for people who are just stuck in this dead end where tongues are the be all and all. (I'm not saying this of every person who speaks in tongues, Gordon Fee certainly puts that myth to bed), but the majority of tongue speakers are just stuck, and it is so sad.

One thing that God did tell me, when he called me by name, was to read the Bible daily. I've always tried to keep to that - as well as studying the Bible, learning the original languages and hermeneutics. And the Holy Spirit is always there to lead and guide me. But he leads and guides me in the Word! Not in experiences.

There is nothing wrong with feeling joy in the Lord, or peace, or any other feeling. But, if these experiences become the end goal, then I believe Satan has won his battle. Anything that keeps you away from transforming your mind, and being transformed into the image of Christ, or till Christ is formed in you, is not from God.

"My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you," Gal. 4:19

"And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit." 2 Cor. 3:18

We do not transform our minds by speaking in tongues, but rather, by studying, memorizing and reading the Word. The lie I am fighting has left people dead while shouting at the top of their lungs utter nonsense. God wants everyone to find their gifts, as per Romans 12:3-8. The fruits of the Spirit are given though the Holy Spirit, but not by standing around patting themselves on the back that all they need to do is speak in tongues. Instead, the Holy Spirit wants us serving God, and one another. The Holy Spirit wants us to be on mission with God, spreading the REAL gospel, the one in 1 Corinthians.

"Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve.6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born." 1 Cor. 15:1-8

If you believe that you need to be baptized in water to be saved, or speak in tongues to be saved, or even to experience the fullness of God, you have not been reading what Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles wrote above. The witness is to the cross and the resurrection, not to speaking in tongues on the day of Pentecost. That is a false gospel. Tongues were given as a sign that the Holy Spirit would accompany each believer from that day first. It was the promise fulfilled that Jesus would send the Paraclete, and the church would be born. Anything else is adding to the gospel.

what you are saying basically, it seems, is do not trust an experience and I would agree with that except we have many experiences that line up perfectly with the Bible

we do not transform our minds by speaking in tongues. listen...no one is more of a staunch advocate for that then I am as that is how I came out of a very dark place and I have taught that to quite a few a people who have received the help they needed from the word itself

HOWEVER, does that mean we should not speak in tongues? you cannot point out one thing in scripture to the exclusion of all else and I am sure you know that as well as anyone here. so frankly, I find that kind of a weak argument but I do agree there is quite a bit of abuse. even that though, is not a reason to chuck it all out the window

if I had to prove the love and kindness of God using Christians as the example, sorry to tell you, but I would run out of 'proof' pretty quick in both cessationist and non-cessationist camps but I would choose the nons every time because there is a difference in those who are spirit filled that is not evident in those who are not..

the major problem is lack of teaching and not understanding how important it is to follow the biblical example

I'm addressing the rest of your post following this one as it is not about tongues per se

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The problem, (if this becomes our spiritual walk - speaking in tongues),is 5, 10 or 15 years later, all we have are a few experiences, and we have not matured into the image of Christ. That happens by really digging deep in the Word, and allowing the Holy Spirit to CHANGE and TRANSFORM us. That is the Scriptural progression from justification to sanctification.

if digging deep into the word produces only negativity and the negation of all things spiritual, then there is a major problem with that right there. do you recall reading that the word kills but the Spirit gives life? that means something

4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, 6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. II Corinthians 3: 4-6

the key is balance and we get that balance from the Bible as a whole unit and not chopped up into just what we want to hear or believe

maturity will NEVER come from just one or the other

so let me ask...it's easy to say 'let the Holy Spirit change us'...how does that happen? in many cases, this forum being an example of such, people become as hard and brittle as an old tree going to fall over in the first wind because their idea of the Holy Spirit changing someone, is to quote scripture and hurl it like a spear (don't apply this to yourself please. I am speaking generally)

we see this in teachers that preach AGAINST the Holy Spirit by saying we don't need gifts anymore because we have the perfect, meaning the Bible. and they turn around and disagree about every 2nd word

no thanks.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I actually feel pity for people who are just stuck in this dead end where tongues are the be all and all. (I'm not saying this of every person who speaks in tongues, Gordon Fee certainly puts that myth to bed), but the majority of tongue speakers are just stuck, and it is so sad.

oh please. that is sounding very superior to my ears. are they stuck really? and how about the pew warmers who check their watches and leave at high noon having done their 'church' duty for the week. been to all kinds of churches. don't think you can site one example and proclaim anyone worthy of your pity

One thing that God did tell me, when he called me by name, was to read the Bible daily. I've always tried to keep to that - as well as studying the Bible, learning the original languages and hermeneutics. And the Holy Spirit is always there to lead and guide me. But he leads and guides me in the Word! Not in experiences.

so He called you by name, eh? sounds like an experience to me...which of course is verifiable by scripture so we won't hold you in apostasy (jking jking). funny but God did the same for me. told me He was putting a sword in my hand, meaning His word and to get busy with it...started studying and applying myself...and have never looked back. the power behind that sword though, is His precious Spirit


There is nothing wrong with feeling joy in the Lord, or peace, or any other feeling. But, if these experiences become the end goal, then I believe Satan has won his battle. Anything that keeps you away from transforming your mind, and being transformed into the image of Christ, or till Christ is formed in you, is not from God.

oh gee. I'm so relieved you are ok with 'feeling' something. truth is the engine...feelings are the caboose resulting from that following of truth. but tell me, how do you explain all the prison doors being open when Paul and Barnabas choose to praise God IN SPITE OF HOW THEY FELT?

"My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you," Gal. 4:19

"And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit." 2 Cor. 3:18

We do not transform our minds by speaking in tongues, but rather, by studying, memorizing and reading the Word. The lie I am fighting has left people dead while shouting at the top of their lungs utter nonsense. God wants everyone to find their gifts, as per Romans 12:3-8. The fruits of the Spirit are given though the Holy Spirit, but not by standing around patting themselves on the back that all they need to do is speak in tongues. Instead, the Holy Spirit wants us serving God, and one another. The Holy Spirit wants us to be on mission with God, spreading the REAL gospel, the one in 1 Corinthians.

no one will ever be transformed by the word alone...as I already posted above. if they think they are, the hardness and unteachable spirit becomes evident. something...actual real godly love present by the Holy Spirit in us...is missing. this teaching that we are baptized in the Spirit when saved is nonsense.

It sounds to me more and more you are not aware of much that is going on in this world of ours. you seems to be pointing more to your own 'experience' and your dealings with God then how the Holy Spirit operates in the lives of those who also belong to God.
that's fine...God will meet us where we are...and speaking in tongues does not make you superior or more saved...however and again at the risk of boring people, BALANCE

I wonder what yardstick you are using to measure the love of others? smh

"Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve.6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born." 1 Cor. 15:1-8

If you believe that you need to be baptized in water to be saved, or speak in tongues to be saved, or even to experience the fullness of God, you have not been reading what Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles wrote above. The witness is to the cross and the resurrection, not to speaking in tongues on the day of Pentecost. That is a false gospel. Tongues were given as a sign that the Holy Spirit would accompany each believer from that day first. It was the promise fulfilled that Jesus would send the Paraclete, and the church would be born. Anything else is adding to the gospel.

well you just joined this thread and I have been posting almost since its inception. don't know, of course, if you have been reading it, but there are but 2 people who believe that as far as I know. even a moderator posted that is not correct biblical interpretation, so certain people want to overlook that, refuse to acknowledge they are wrong because they have a personal feud going and here we are

speaking in tongues did not make anyone believe that....just very bad exegesis did and then declaring it doctrine


"More than that, we rejoice in our suffering, knowing that suffering produces endurance, endurance produces character and character produces hope. And hope does not disappoint, because God's love has been poured out through the Holy Spirit who was give to us." Romans 5:3-5

well I know that gives you comfort, (that's fine if you wish to see it that way) but I believe Paul was speaking about persecution

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Shame on you. You do not teach the truth and you endeavor to impeach those who do.

You cannot pray in tongues. Praying in tongues is a fabricated activity not found in the bible.

Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

For the cause of Christ
Roger

all fired up then?

your flesh sure does get riled

actually, YOU cannot pray in tongues and unless you repent, not sure about anything else either

hurling scripture means nothing. the devil used scripture and uses scripture constantly and inspires some to use it against actual Christians

but you wouldn't know anything about that

 

[7seasrekeyed]

That is my biggest concern in regards to speaking in tongues. To teach that ONLY those who speak in tongues are saved is a false, ludicrous doctrine - “no tongues, no indwelling Holy Spirit” and is a perversion of the gospel!

that is a false argument here as has been identified mulitple of multiple times

but it just sounds so convincing you folks cannot let it go

reminds me of Roger and others saying all those who speak in tongues have a demonic spirit

the flesh just loves a good fight about nothing while the truth is ignored

the tongues have ceased doctrine is ludicrous and the continuing lie that we believe you must speak in tongues for salvation is also ludicrous

if someone believes that, they did not get from scripture anymore than those who insist no more tongues comes from scripture

two wrongs do not make a right

 

[UnderGrace]

Saul of tarsus thought he was on fire for God also.

Just because people are doing things, does not mean a thing.

Excellent point.....shows the self - deception

 

[mailmandan]

that is a false argument here as has been identified mulitple of multiple times

but it just sounds so convincing you folks cannot let it go

reminds me of Roger and others saying all those who speak in tongues have a demonic spirit

the flesh just loves a good fight about nothing while the truth is ignored

the tongues have ceased doctrine is ludicrous and the continuing lie that we believe you must speak in tongues for salvation is also ludicrous

if someone believes that, they did not get from scripture anymore than those who insist no more tongues comes from scripture

two wrongs do not make a right

I’m really not concerned about arguing with people over whether or not tongues have ceased, but like I said in post #867, I am concerned about those who pervert the gospel by teaching that ONLY those who speak in tongues are saved - “no tongues, no indwelling Holy Spirit.”

There is someone on Christian Chat who is Pentecostal that teaches this, plus two other Pentecostals who in addition to that also teach that you MUST be water baptized “in Jesus name only” as a salvation formula and being baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirt is invalid -“according to them,” even though Jesus Christ clearly stated to do so in Matthew 28:19.

I’m not trying to paint the entire Pentecostal movement with a broad brush of teaching those false doctrines, but those false doctrines are deceptive and dangerous and need to be exposed!

 

[wolfwint]

Why do you put your shortcomings and failures onto everybody else?
And you cannot transform or renew your mind but by praying in tongues and allowing the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit to
work within your heart and soul > for out of your heart does your mind speak.

And again, do you believe thst people on your country was filled with the Holy Spirit and batised with the Holy Spirit before the year 1908?
Why you avoid to answer this question?

 

[UnderGrace]

A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign.

I will pit my faith in the unseen over their faith in the seen or experienced 24/7!


Its one thing to do a sign, and see soemthign you think is an answer

Its another to just pray, Ask God, and stand back and watch God work!

Seeking after "power" by the way many posts read

 

[wolfwint]

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

I believe this is true.
But what has this to do with speaking in tongues?

 

[UnderGrace]

And again, do you believe thst people on your country was filled with the Holy Spirit and batised with the Holy Spirit before the year 1908?
Why you avoid to answer this question?

Exactly, where was this manifestation then....was the Holy Spirit in sleep cycle??

 

[Wansvic]

Saul of tarsus thought he was on fire for God also.

Just because people are doing things, does not mean a thing.

As for Saul, he was eventually obedient to God's commands and was used to point many to their savior. Paul knew speaking in tongues upon the infilling of the Holy Ghost was a gift from God. And he said he thanked God that he spoke in tongues more than the Corinthians. (1 Cor 14:18)

1 Cor 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1 Cor 14:18
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

1 Cor 14:15
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

 

[Wansvic]

Not once is tongues mentioned. Instead, Paul emphasizes, like in other places, that we need to cooperate with the Holy Spirit, not by raving in unknown tongues, but rather by RENEWING OUR MINDS!

How do we renew our minds? By reading the Word, by studying the Word, and also by prayer, fellowship with our brothers and sisters, and certainly service to Christ. He is the King, there is no where in Scripture that suggests one chapter, or worse, one verse Acts 2:38 is the gospel.

You mention that Paul did not bring up the infilling of the Holy Ghost at all in his letter to the Romans. Why would he? Paul was addressing born again Christians; thus they would have already been obedient to the command to repent, be water baptized in Jesus name, and receive the Holy Ghost. In addition, every epistle Paul penned was addressed to church members. And surely he saw no need to address the specifics of the foundation as it was undoubtedly already in place. He did however reference salvation principles. (Rom. 6:4; Col 2:12)

The word provides specific instructions required in connection to the birth of NT church. (Acts 2:38) The documented experiences of tongues accompanying the infilling of the Holy Ghost witness to one of the specified requirements. The experience is not exclusively a sign to Jews of God's acceptance of all nations; it did establish this truth but that certainly was not it's only purpose. People were still receiving the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues 25 years after Peter's initial instructions on the Day of Pentecost. We see this evidence of tongues accompanying the infilling of individuals irrespective of their nationality. (Acts 19:1-6)

Where in scripture does it state that God's instructions given on the Day of Pentecost were exclusively for the birth of the NT church and not future generations? It does not. Instead it states that the promise is for those present, their children, those who are far off (in future), as many as the Lord shall call. God is still calling people and will until Jesus returns.