Not By Works

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cgneustar said:
If evil works lead to death, why would you not think good works lead to life? The reason that good works do not deliver us is not because they are not required to inherit the kingdom of God, but because all we truly deserve is death, according to the Torah of God, because we have all sinned, so the fact that we can continue to live and have an opportunity to do the good works required to inherit the kingdom of God is none other because of the mercy and favor of God. As such, in summary, good works are required.
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Because in order for good works to merit life, we have to bat 1,000, and no one is able to do that except Jesus. If I do not stand before God dressed in His Righteousness, I will not stand at all. But we receive His righteousness in justification and receive healing also for sanctification.
 
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Macabeus said:
Because in order for good works to merit life, we have to bat 1,000, and no one is able to do that except Jesus. That is why we need grace, because it is grace that is sufficient, and nothing in us is sufficient for salvation.
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It's not that no one is able to, because we can, by the blood of the Messiah and the airflow of God, it's just that you don't want to.
 
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The truth is if we are in Christ, we are connected to His life. That life is resurrection life, the power of Holy Spirit to raise us up from death, which we experienced with our new birth, and given new life, His breath once again within us. But, this breath is Holy, and of heaven.

We are now connected to Him who sits on the throne beside Father, and His very life flows through us.

So sit down with Him in heavenly places so that His life can freely flow.


Too deep? No, is simple.
 
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cgneustar said:
It's not that no one is able to, because we can, by the blood of the Messiah and the airflow of God, it's just that you don't want to.
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No one is able to do ANYTHING until they are first engrafted into the vine. THAT is my point.

John 15:5- 5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.

I never said anything about inability AFTER conversion. I said we must be born before we can walk, regenerated/new creation before we can do any work that is pleasing to God. FOR without faith, it is impossible to please Him.

So before salvation/faith, we are unable to do anything pleasing to God. After salvation, we can do all things through Christ. The difference between the two states... the UNMERITED grace of God.

Off to work I go. Have a blessed day.
 
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Macabeus said:
No one is able to do ANYTHING until they are first engrafted into the vine. THAT is my point.

John 15:5- 5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.

I never said anything about inability AFTER conversion. I said we must be born before we can walk, regenerated/new creation before we can do any work that is pleasing to God. FOR without faith, it is impossible to please Him.

So before salvation/faith, we are unable to do anything pleasing to God. After salvation, we can do all things through Christ. The difference between the two states... the UNMERITED grace of God.

Off to work I go. Have a blessed day.
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No, your point is that good works are not "required", which in subtle ways you are rejecting. But, perhaps I might be mistaken about you, so, let us clarify your true position and that we are both in agreement to one thing, "good works are required to inherit the kingdom of God", what say you, yay or nay? A simple yes or no answer will suffice, then we can move on to more intelligent conversation.
 
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The good works required to inherit the Kingdom was done through Jesus. He left us then the will of His inheritance called the new covenant. We accept it and live in what He bought.
 
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stonesoffire said:
The good works required to inherit the Kingdom was done through Jesus. He left us then the will of His inheritance called the new covenant. We accept it and live in what He bought.
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You people are in for a terrifying surprise in the day of judgment.

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the aeonial fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a foreigner and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ “They also will answer, ‘Master, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then they will go away to aeonial punishment, but the righteous to aeonial life.”
Matthew 25:41-46
 
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cgneustar said:
You people are in for a terrifying surprise in the day of judgment.

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the aeonial fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a foreigner and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ “They also will answer, ‘Master, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then they will go away to aeonial punishment, but the righteous to aeonial life.”
Matthew 25:41-46
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Where do you see that I said we don’t do good works? That which we do, is the result of being made alive in Christ. Even these we cannot say that it was birthed out of self! The very reason why we cast any crowns we may have at His feet.

Do you worship your self righteousness?
 
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stonesoffire said:
Where do you see that I said we don’t do good works? That which we do, is the result of being made alive in Christ. Even these we cannot say that it was birthed out of self! The very reason why we cast any crowns we may have at His feet.

Do you worship your self righteousness?
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If I have been mistaken about you, then by all means, clarify your true position, and affirm that this statement is true, "we are required to do good works to inherit the kingdom of God". A simple "I agree" or "I disagree" will suffice, and then we can know what your true stance is, that you so adamantly deny opposing.
 
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Any work that is done that will bring a reward is performed by Holy Spirit within us. I have no power of my own. Nor would I want to try. We rest in and on Jesus.
 
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stonesoffire said:
Any work that is done that will bring a reward is performed by Holy Spirit within us. I have no power of my own. Nor would I want to try. We rest in and on Jesus.
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Again, I repeat,

If I have been mistaken about you, then by all means, clarify your true position, and affirm that this statement is true, "we are required to do good works to inherit the kingdom of God". A simple "I agree" or "I disagree" will suffice, and then we can know what your true stance is, that you so adamantly deny opposing.
 
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The new covenant is the will of inheritance. It is not as the old which was more so a contract of do this, and I will do that.
 
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stonesoffire said:
The new covenant is the will of inheritance. It is not as the old which was more so a contract of do this, and I will do that.
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Again, I repeat,

If I have been mistaken about you, then by all means, clarify your true position, and affirm that this statement is true, "we are required to do good works to inherit the kingdom of God". A simple "I agree" or "I disagree" will suffice, and then we can know what your true stance is, that you so adamantly deny opposing.
 
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stonesoffire said:
Are you baptized in Holy Spirit?
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Again, I repeat,

If I have been mistaken about you, then by all means, clarify your true position, and affirm that this statement is true, "we are required to do good works to inherit the kingdom of God". A simple "I agree" or "I disagree" will suffice, and then we can know what your true stance is, that you so adamantly deny opposing.
 
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cgneustar said:
Again, I repeat,

If I have been mistaken about you, then by all means, clarify your true position, and affirm that this statement is true, "we are required to do good works to inherit the kingdom of God". A simple "I agree" or "I disagree" will suffice, and then we can know what your true stance is, that you so adamantly deny opposing.
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I just did.
 
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When you say the word required, you are making the power of God a law. This power is only given to the new nature. Otherwise, it’s corrupted.

Law will bring sin and death. We live in resurrection life. Only!
 
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stonesoffire said:
I just did.
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No you did not. If I had asked something you would agree with, like "is Yeshuah the Messiah?", you would plainly say yes, but when asked about something you do not actually agree with, you respond with little clever sayings, as if to say you agree, but do not agree. This is the very definition of "beating around the bush", which politicians do all the time to deflect from answering yes or no to direct questions that they don't want to answer. So the only thing that can be presumed about you is what I already suspected of you, that you don't actually believe good works are required, otherwise you would agree plainly that they are, and that is a serious error, for "every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down".
 
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stonesoffire said:
When you say the word required, you are making the power of God a law. This power is only given to the new nature. Otherwise, it’s corrupted.

Law will bring sin and death. We live in resurrection life. Only!
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God has a Law, it is the Torah, which commands, "You SHALL love your neighbor as yourself" and "you SHALL give to your brother in need". These are not optional statements, these are commands. We are commanded to do good and love our neighbor.
 
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