Jesus is Jehovah? So Jehovah is Son in trinity?

[jaybird88]

Am I not on here doing both, posting links, AND also wasting my time bickering with you people about the truth that I already know you are going to reject?

if you were a salesman you would starve to death. you dont hand someone some information and then say "see ya later" they are just gonna throw it in the trash. you got to make them interested, tempt their tummy, get em hooked, and then . . . .BAMM! you got em.

 

[cgneustar]

guess i should have phrased this a bit different.
most every ancient culture have a flood story, but not one of them have a flood story that take place in the middle of their civilization. matter of fact Egypt, India and China all pinpoint the flood to around 10,000 BC, which is 12 thousand years back. and before the flood there was another age. gobekli tepe goes back to 9000BC and thats mainstream scholars.
the young earth idea has always been baffling to me, ancient history supports the bible on so many ways but the young earth idea really puts the bible out there as far fetched.

So you say one thing, and then retract when I show you something else? Biblical genealogy and timelines can be measured to an exact year since creation, http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2018/07/3...n-and-when-the-sabbath-and-jubilee-years-are/ .

 

[cgneustar]

if you were a salesman you would starve to death. you dont hand someone some information and then say "see ya later" they are just gonna throw it in the trash. you got to make them interested, tempt their tummy, get em hooked, and then . . . .BAMM! you got em.

Many are called, few chosen. This is something appointed by God, not by man. Even when the Messiah spoke the truth to the crowds, most refused to listen. So why should it come as a complete shock that even when I speak the truth more plainly than the Messiah did when he spoke to the crowds in parables, that what I am saying would no less be rejected by the majority I share the truth with?

 

[jaybird88]

So you say one thing, and then retract when I show you something else? Biblical genealogy and timelines can be measured to an exact year since creation, http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2018/07/3...n-and-when-the-sabbath-and-jubilee-years-are/ .

ohh no, im still sticking to the same story i made from the beginning. when i said "they never mentioned it", i meant they didnt mention as an event going on it at the time of their civilization. this should have been self explanatory being as your placing the flood right in the middle of their time line.
so back to the point you keep avoiding, how do you explain that?

 

[cgneustar]

ohh no, im still sticking to the same story i made from the beginning. when i said "they never mentioned it", i meant they didnt mention as an event going on it at the time of their civilization. this should have been self explanatory being as your placing the flood right in the middle of their time line.
so back to the point you keep avoiding, how do you explain that?

Clearly any civilization that existed at the time of the flood would've been utterly wiped out, so any texts we do have of any civilizations on the earth are texts AFTER the flood. That is why Sumerian text speaks of the flood as a past event, because Sumerian civilization is not as old as "experts" claim it is, it is a post-flood civilization.

 

[jaybird88]

Many are called, few chosen. This is something appointed by God, not by man. Even when the Messiah spoke the truth to the crowds, most refused to listen. So why should it come as a complete shock that even when I speak the truth more plainly than the Messiah did when he spoke to the crowds in parables, that what I am saying would no less be rejected by the majority I share the truth with?

??? i think you replied to the wrong person because this has nothing to do with what i posted.

 

[cgneustar]

??? i think you replied to the wrong person because this has nothing to do with what i posted.

It does, because you critique me for not being able to cause more people to believe what I am saying, when in truth, it has nothing to do with me, it has to do with their hardness of hearts.

 

[jaybird88]

Clearly any civilization that existed at the time of the flood would've been utterly wiped out, so any texts we do have of any civilizations on the earth are texts AFTER the flood. That is why Sumerian text speaks of the flood as a past event, because Sumerian civilization is not as old as "experts" claim it is, it is a post-flood civilization.

well they didnt get wiped out by this flood, nor did anyone anywhere on the planet mention a flood at that time, and there were many many many cultures in existence at that time. so it stands to reason that there was no flood at that time.

 

[jaybird88]

It does, because you critique me for not being able to cause more people to believe what I am saying, when in truth, it has nothing to do with me, it has to do with their hardness of hearts.

it actually doesnt, i think your avoiding the point. this would make sense if you offered something but you have provided nothing but the link. why not speak for yourself, you dont want people doing the thinking for you do you.

 

[cgneustar]

well they didnt get wiped out by this flood, nor did anyone anywhere on the planet mention a flood at that time, and there were many many many cultures in existence at that time. so it stands to reason that there was no flood at that time.

They didn't get wiped out by the flood because they are a post-flood civilization, which is why they speak of the flood as a past event. Every civilization that existed at the time of the flood was wiped out, for that is what the scriptures teach. It is the truth. Now, whether you want to believe in that truth or not, that is your prerogative. Do I perceive correctly that you are an evolutionist?

 

[blueluna5]

Jehovah is actually a mistranslation from the middle ages, around 1500. translators misunderstood that the vowel points were for "Adonai", not "Yahweh". Thus, they combined the letters of YHWH with the vowels of Adonai. The result was Jehovah.

I'm not saying using this name is bad or anything. I just don't personally use it bc it's not historically accurate. Please don't shoot the messenger.

 

[cgneustar]

it actually doesnt, i think your avoiding the point. this would make sense if you offered something but you have provided nothing but the link. why not speak for yourself, you dont want people doing the thinking for you do you.

I provided a link to a website with exhaustive information to equip any believer with profound knowledge and understanding of the truth. There are no other websites that teach what I teach, not that I've found at least. But of course, to someone who does not value what is being said in the website, he views the link to the website as any other ordinary "link". So be it. The Messiah did also warn "do not cast your pearls to pigs nor throw what is set-apart to dogs". I've already scattered enough pearls in this forum only to see them trampled by unlearned men. But perhaps there may be one or two of you that has discernment that what I am saying is the truth. And that is my hope in wasting my time speaking to you people, knowing that most of you will reject what I have to say anyways.

 

[cgneustar]

Jehovah is actually a mistranslation from the middle ages, around 1500. translators misunderstood that the vowel points were for "Adonai", not "Yahweh". Thus, they combined the letters of YHWH with the vowels of Adonai. The result was Jehovah.

I'm not saying using this name is bad or anything. I just don't personally use it bc it's not historically accurate. Please don't shoot the messenger.

Over a thousand manuscripts have been found having the vowel points "Yehovah", which has been affirmed by Jewish sources, by which the name of the Messiah is derived, "Yeshuah". This is sufficient compelling enough evidence to know that "Yehovah" is the correct pronunciation of the old covenant name of God. Although I am not a "Jehovah's Witness", they were indeed right all along in the true pronunciation of the old covenant name, except that the pronunciation of the "J" has changed over time in English, so the correct pronunciation of the name using the modern sounds of the letters is "Yehovah", not "Jehovah".

 

[blueluna5]

Over a thousand manuscripts have been found having the vowel points "Yehovah", which has been affirmed by Jewish sources, by which the name of the Messiah is derived, "Yeshuah". This is sufficient compelling enough evidence to know that "Yehovah" is the correct pronunciation of the old covenant name of God. Although I am not a "Jehovah's Witness", they were indeed right all along in the true pronunciation of the old covenant name, except that the pronunciation of the "J" has changed over time in English, so the correct pronunciation of the name using the modern sounds of the letters is "Yehovah", not "Jehovah".

The problem is no one actually knows how YHWH is pronounced. They did not include vowels and they were not allowed to say it. Most scholars think Yahweh is correct.

However most scholars do not believe it was actually Jehovah. This site may help:
https://www.gotquestions.org/Jehovah.html

 

[jaybird88]

They didn't get wiped out by the flood because they are a post-flood civilization, which is why they speak of the flood as a past event. Every civilization that existed at the time of the flood was wiped out, for that is what the scriptures teach. It is the truth. Now, whether you want to believe in that truth or not, that is your prerogative. Do I perceive correctly that you are an evolutionist?

your still not getting it. according to you the flood happened right in the middle of their history. in order for this to work, they would have had to establish this culture, live it for 500-1000 so years, FLOOD!!, and then (AFTER THE FLOOD) this civilization continues for another 500-1000 years. sorry but thats not going to happen.
not evolution, this is called history and anthropology.

 

[jaybird88]

I provided a link to a website with exhaustive information to equip any believer with profound knowledge and understanding of the truth. There are no other websites that teach what I teach, not that I've found at least. But of course, to someone who does not value what is being said in the website, he views the link to the website as any other ordinary "link". So be it. The Messiah did also warn "do not cast your pearls to pigs nor throw what is set-apart to dogs". I've already scattered enough pearls in this forum only to see them trampled by unlearned men. But perhaps there may be one or two of you that has discernment that what I am saying is the truth. And that is my hope in wasting my time speaking to you people, knowing that most of you will reject what I have to say anyways.

your not teaching anything when you post links, your letting someone else do the teaching for you.

 

[cgneustar]

your still not getting it. according to you the flood happened right in the middle of their history. in order for this to work, they would have had to establish this culture, live it for 500-1000 so years, FLOOD!!, and then (AFTER THE FLOOD) this civilization continues for another 500-1000 years. sorry but thats not going to happen.
not evolution, this is called history and anthropology.

I already told you, the "experts" do not have an accurate measure of time, so they miscalculate when the Sumerian culture existed. They are are post-flood civilization, but when exactly they emerged after the flood is a mystery.

 

[cgneustar]

your not teaching anything when you post links, your letting someone else do the teaching for you.

I am the author of the website. So I myself am doing the teaching, while you yourself are rejecting it, for whatever reasons and excuses you come up with.

 

[posthuman]

By "none takes it from me" he means no one on earth took his life from him because he willingly laid it down, not that God who appoints everything did not take his life. Why else do you think the Messiah wept bitterly and said, "if it be possible, may this cup pass from me, nonetheless, your will be done and not mine"? Because he knew it was the will of God that he die. You people quite literally oppose everything that is true, deviating to the left and to the right in every way possible, even in such basic matters as this.

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Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit​

(Luke 23:46)​

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when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, saw how He died, he said, ​

"Surely this man was the Son of God!" ​

(Mark 15:39)​

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[posthuman]

He had a beginning, hence why he is called the "firstborn of creation".

He is the beginning,
the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.
(Colossians 1:18) ​

Jesus was not chronologically the first man to rise from the dead -- so why is He called firstborn from the dead?