Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

[cgneustar]

I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”

You shall not murder and you shall love your neighbor as yourself as not "works of the Torah", they are commands of the Torah that reveal the righteousness of God, on which the righteousness that comes through belief is based on. "Works of the Torah" are circumcision, new moons, Shabbaths, and appointed times, which have no benefit in the true righteousness of God under the new covenant of the Messiah. I am not on here promulgating these things, I am on here promulgating the commands of the Torah that pertain to this true righteousness of God based on belief. UNDERSTAND what I am saying, for your own sakes. http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2019/02/14/the-torah-has-not-been-abolished/ .

 

[cgneustar]

Which translation uses "airflow" instead of "spirit" in Ezekiel 36:26?

Thanks!

~Deut

None, but that is the exact translation of the Hebrew word "ruach". Read this bible study on why "airflow" is the exact correct translation http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2018/08/2...-word-spirit-the-identity-of-the-wind-of-god/ .

 

[cgneustar]

Your lies notwithstanding, I do understand the distinction.

I notice you like to throw slanderous statements around. Is that what you classify as being perfect/not sinning? How odd.

The Messiah called the Pharisees serpents, and Paul called the Galatians fools, while I call you people stubborn for saying "we no longer need to obey the Torah" and "we do not need to stop sinning". Although you do not realize this, you people are far worse than the Pharisees who put the Messiah to death, because at least they knew the Torah of God is still binding, but this generation of believers, oh my, it would be better that this generation be dead than to have to endure the wrath that is soon to come against it, because of its continual lawlessness and refusal to obey the truth, while still saying, "I am a believer".

 

[Guojing]

I think we are in the days the beginig of the use of the thousand years with the word metaphor thousand as a unknow or concealed .

God does not give exact numbers .He desire we walk by faith .
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I see, well, many dispy believe that there will be a pre tribulation rapture of the church, followed by 7 years of tribulation, and then a literal 1000 years of millennial rule.

 

[calibob]

The Messiah called the Pharisees serpents, and Paul called the Galatians fools, while I call you people stubborn for saying "we no longer need to obey the Torah" and "we do not need to stop sinning". Although you do not realize this, you people are far worse than the Pharisees who put the Messiah to death, because at least they knew the Torah of God is still binding, but this generation of believers, oh my, it would be better that this generation be dead than to have to endure the wrath that is soon to come against it, because of its continual lawlessness and refusal to obey the truth, while still saying, "I am a believer".

The law is the curse;
Galatians 3.10-12 (KJV)

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

 

[cgneustar]

The law is the curse;
Galatians 3.10-12 (KJV)

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

The Torah itself is not the curse, sin inside the man is the curse, which then causes him to disobey the Torah of God, which is righteous, set-apart, and good. This is why the sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the Torah, because through the command, sin inside the man takes advantage of the command, to bring the due penalty of death to those who disobey the command.

 

[Deuteronomy]

None, but that is the exact translation of the Hebrew word "ruach". Read this bible study on why "airflow" is the exact correct translation http://www.wisdomofgod.us/2018/08/2...-word-spirit-the-identity-of-the-wind-of-god/.

Thank you for letting us know where "airflow" came from. As far as the study is concerned however, thank you, but I think I'll stick with the many teams of linguistic scholars who, over the centuries, have always translated רוּחַ as "spirit" in v26 (in both our translations and our paraphrases .. except one, the NLT, which uses "mind" in v26 for some reason? The NLT is based loosely out of The Living Bible, which might explain it?).

~Deut

 

[cgneustar]

Thank you for letting us know where "airflow" came from. As far as the study is concerned however, thank you, but I think I'll stick with the many teams of linguistic scholars who, over the centuries, have always translated רוּחַ as "spirit" in v26 (in both our translations and our paraphrases .. except one, the NLT, which uses "mind" in v26 for some reason? The NLT is based loosely out of The Living Bible, which might explain it?).

~Deut

"Scholarly knowledge" does not equate to "knowledge and understanding of the truth". Why else do you think the Pharisees who were very learned men actually knew and understood very little? The same can be said of these lingustic scholars today who you rely on. But if you wish to continue relying on them, and refuse to rely on someone who is actually telling you the truth, then so be it.

 

[Marcelo]

Some good thoughts, but leave that "faith alone" to Martin Luther - Paul never said it and you won't find it written in the Scriptures.

Take a look here:

Ephesians 2:8 - For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

 

[Deuteronomy]

"Scholarly knowledge" does not equate to "knowledge and understanding of the truth". Why else do you think the Pharisees who were very learned men actually knew and understood very little? The same can be said of these lingustic scholars today who you rely on. But if you wish to continue relying on them, and refuse to rely on someone who is actually telling you the truth, then so be it.

The teachers and translators who I've known or know of are brothers in Christ, not liars.

As far as some of the 1st Century Pharisees are concerned, the Lord had a very different opinion about them (even the worst of them) than you do. Take note below of the two commands He gave about them 1. concerning their knowledge and understanding of the law and of the faith and 2. concerning their failure to practice what they preach.

Matthew 23​

1 Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: ​

2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. ​

3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you ... BUT ... do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."​

~Deut

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Righteousness IS obedience to the commands of God, hence, "and if we are careful to obey these commandments of God this will be our righteousness". Even Abraham, whose righteousness was based on belief, was commended for obeying the commandments and TORAH of God even before it was given through Moses, "because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my Torah". Belief must yield obedience to the commandments of God, otherwise it is null. You err in your understanding of the truth, and think you do not need to obey what God has instructed, which is the very definition of lawlessness.

Baloney, baloney, salami. The Law of Moses came 430 years after Abraham. He was commended for faith, being called the father of faith, not the father of obedience. He never knew the Torah, which was penned by Moses and Joshua, neither named after faith. There is no link to the Torah in the scriptures prior to Abraham. You are making up false doctrine of devils. Shame, shame, shame! Abraham had faith in a few very personal words from God. His actions upon those few words resulted in being accounted righteous before God, in true faith, without a single link to the Mosaic law.

Again you proved the Law was faulty and remains so, though impossible to erase. It is reserved for the children of wrath, so will be around a long time.

The gospel moved from Abraham, bypassing the Law, and into the gospel of Christ. How many ways will it be necessary to disprove the futile pleas of Judaizers who seek to bring others into their cursed lives?

My law is the law of liberty in Christ. That is not lawlessness. It's the law of Christ appicable to children of faith in the spiritual lineage of Abraham. The faithless Jews attrempted to hijack that lineage. You apparently live under the law of sin and death, your mantra being the many definitions of sin without a hint of eternal hope in Christ. What is Christ Jesus to you? You ignore the scriptures concerning Him and His gospel, so are among the damned. You are alive, so possibly have opportunity to repent and believe the truth.

 

[cgneustar]

The teachers and translators who I've known or know of are brothers in Christ, not liars.

As far as some of the 1st Century Pharisees are concerned, the Lord had a very different opinion about them (even the worst of them) than you do. Take note below of the two commands He gave about them 1. concerning their knowledge and understanding of the law and of the faith and 2. concerning their failure to practice what they preach.

Matthew 23​

1 Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: ​

2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. ​

3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you ... BUT ... do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."​

~Deut

The Messiah said to obey everything the Pharisees taught because the Pharisees taught the Torah, which they did not truly practice. The believers today, however, are worse than the Pharisees, because they teach that the Torah has been discarded. So that is why I say, your trust is misplaced in your linguistic scholars, because they are in error in many things, in their lawlessness, which is why they mistranslate many passages of scripture.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Stopping sin is not claiming to be without sin, because all have sinned in the past, which is why it is necessary to stop sinning going forward.

Deliberate, habitual sin proves Satan is one's god. The Law of Moses afforded annual covering of past sins, but had no power to conquer any current sin except to stone a sinner to death. That was of no benefit to the sinner. In Christ we can be more than conquerors, and had better be.

 

[cgneustar]

Baloney, baloney, salami. The Law of Moses came 430 years after Abraham. He was commended for faith, being called the father of faith, not the father of obedience. He never knew the Torah, which was penned by Moses and Joshua, neither named after faith. There is no link to the Torah in the scriptures prior to Abraham. You are making up false doctrine of devils. Shame, shame, shame! Abraham had faith in a few very personal words from God. His actions upon those few words resulted in being accounted righteous before God, in true faith, without a single link to the Mosaic law.

Again you proved the Law was faulty and remains so, though impossible to erase. It is reserved for the children of wrath, so will be around a long time.

The gospel moved from Abraham, bypassing the Law, and into the gospel of Christ. How many ways will it be necessary to disprove the futile pleas of Judaizers who seek to bring others into their cursed lives?

My law is the law of liberty in Christ. That is not lawlessness. It's the law of Christ appicable to children of faith in the spiritual lineage of Abraham. The faithless Jews attrempted to hijack that lineage. You apparently live under the law of sin and death, your mantra being the many definitions of sin without a hint of eternal hope in Christ. What is Christ Jesus to you? You ignore the scriptures concerning Him and His gospel, so are among the damned. You are alive, so possibly have opportunity to repent and believe the truth.

The scriptures say otherwise, "BECAUSE ABRAHAM OBEYED my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and MY TORAH". The Torah of God has always existed since man acquired knowledge of good and evil, but the WRITTEN Torah came through Moses, but man already had the oral Torah before Moses. And this was the Torah Abraham obeyed.

 

[cgneustar]

Deliberate, habitual sin proves Satan is one's god. The Law of Moses afforded annual covering of past sins, but had no power to conquer any current sin except to stone a sinner to death. That was of no benefit to the sinner. In Christ we can be more than conquerors, and had better be.

You are a conqueror of nothing if you continue sinning.

 

[Chester]

Take a look here:

Ephesians 2:8 - For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

That says we are saved by grace through faith and not of works.

How is that the same as saved by faith alone?

 

[Word_Swordsman]

The Messiah said to obey everything the Pharisees taught because the Pharisees taught the Torah, which they did not truly practice. The believers today, however, are worse than the Pharisees, because they teach that the Torah has been discarded. So that is why I say, your trust is misplaced in your linguistic scholars, because they are in error in many things, in their lawlessness, which is why they mistranslate many passages of scripture.

False teaching in the above! Jesus and others educated in the Law knew many Pharisees taught unauthorized additions and misinterpretations to the Law which were too burdensome. They mixed opinions with Torah, offending Jesus on many points of the Law and common sense. Keep in mind Pharisees were a relatively recently addition to the authorized scheme of authority over Israel, and their ilk didn't remain long after the Temple was destroyed in 70AD. Paul was among the last, but didn't perish with the wicked of them.

God let that destruction happen as a signal of the better covenant to come as prophesied. It ended the Levitical priesthood and all the powers attending. So now, in these last days, people read about all that and seek to revive it. Too late. The better in Christ reigns.

 

[calibob]

That says we are saved by grace through faith and not of works.

How is that the same as saved by faith alone?

Good point faith without grace is like gas without a car. Muslums, Buddists, and many others have faith but removing the grace that God has blessed us with in Jesus is a road to hell.

 

[calibob]

The Messiah said to obey everything the Pharisees taught because the Pharisees taught the Torah, which they did not truly practice. The believers today, however, are worse than the Pharisees, because they teach that the Torah has been discarded. So that is why I say, your trust is misplaced in your linguistic scholars, because they are in error in many things, in their lawlessness, which is why they mistranslate many passages of scripture.

So are you saying we must get circumcised? Abstain from pork or sacrifice animals? Was not the entire law fulfilled at Calvary? Shame on you! Can you not remember when Paul rebuked Peter for being a Judaizer?

 

[Dino246]

I call you people stubborn for saying "we do not need to stop sinning".

Who says this?

It seems that you have embraced the classic Judaizer's mistake: equating freedom from the Law with lawlessness and rampant sin.

Your view fits right in with that of the foolish Galatians, who thought that having begun by the Spirit they were to come to completion by the flesh.