Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

[KelbyofGod]

Sorry. Don't want to discuss the Scriptural basis for each purpose God created us for until you answer.

THIS is what YOU said in post #1712
"I once asked God "What IS the purpose of this life?" because I was trying to find additional challenging questions to ask him. I expected it would be months or years before I started to receive the answers. But almost IMMEDIATELY HE SAID "It is for man to CHOOSE." (as in, it is for a man to make his choices)

EXACTLY what I said you said!

So how did His answer that HE SAID, that came almost immediately, manifest itself? Did you hear His Voice?

Why should I, or anybody else, take on face value that God told you ANYTHING? Just because you say it?

Of course I heard his voice. Is it not written "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me"?

And you're not supposed to take my word for it. You are supposed to pray about it rather than rely on your own understanding.

I posted only one verse and one example (of many) that supported what I was told about the purpose of this life for man, after having asked God sincerely. You claimed I was wrong without proving it, and offered an alternative 6 purposes.

You are welcome to show us the verses from which your 6 pieces are taken if you wish. I know they're in there, I've read them too. But it's not the scriptures that are in question. But your understanding of them led you to believe an error, which has been pointed out to you fairly clearly.

I chose not to rely on my own understanding, which may have been close to your own, because I too have made mistakes where I thought I understood, but hadn't actually asked. And this was one where I wanted to know for sure. So instead I sought God for his understanding. <--That is what we're supposed to do. We're also supposed to believe that "all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive" which thing I believed. And we're supposed to continue in faith until he answers...which I did, and was willing to do for months or years if necessary because I trusted him to answer (in any way and time he willed). And having asked, we're supposed to receive...which thing also happened, because God always holds up his end of the bargain.

I don't always get my end of the deal right, but in this case it worked out that I did. And I love him for it.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[KelbyofGod]

THIS is what YOU said in post #1712
"I once asked God "What IS the purpose of this life?" because I was trying to find additional challenging questions to ask him. I expected it would be months or years before I started to receive the answers. But almost IMMEDIATELY HE SAID "It is for man to CHOOSE." (as in, it is for a man to make his choices)

EXACTLY what I said you said!

And to be specific.... EXACTLY what you said I said was (Post 1737) "You say God told you that the reason He created man was so that man would make a choice." <--That's singular.

I was talking about a singular purpose that involved an unspecified number of choices. You have spoken of a singular choice and multiple purposes.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[Absolutely]

You mean without laying the Hand upon a Person, this person cant receive the Holy Spirit?

God is not in anyones box.
Doesnt mean certain patterns are not there.
The fact that no 2 people pray alike to get saved does not exclude there are certain dynamics from God in the word concerning salvation.
Take some inventorty sir.
Ask yourself why you would ignore the FACT that in acts you resist a no brainer.

 

[Absolutely]

What exactly you mean? I should be baptised with the Holy Spirit a second time?

Try on first....first.
Worry about more .......later

 

[Absolutely]

The thing in this parable that is puzzling to me is verse 12: "But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not." Matt 25:12

If the five virgins were at one time filled with the Holy Ghost then the bridegroom would have surely known them.

Is it plausible that the 5 wise virgins were equipped with lamps to light their way (word of God that the Holy Ghost illuminates), and their vessels (bodies) were indwelt with the oil. (the Holy Ghost) Matt 25:4

Whereas the foolish virgins neglected to have oil (the Holy Ghost) inside their vessels. (bodies) Matt 25:3

This concept would seem to line-up with the Holy Ghost dwelling with someone, rather than inside of them.

Matt 25:1-4
1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
KJV

...or,that the foolish never had much to begin with. It is inferred by the fact that they asked the wise to impart some of theirs ,(laying on of hands/impartstion) that the oil(Holy Spirit) was known by the foolish as transferable, but ,at the same time,unclear if they EVER had anything but a possible thimblefull to begin with.

 

[notuptome]

...or,that the foolish never had much to begin with. It is inferred by the fact that they asked the wise to impart some of theirs ,(laying on of hands/impartstion) that the oil(Holy Spirit) was known by the foolish as transferable, but ,at the same time,unclear if they EVER had anything but a possible thimblefull to begin with.

More likely that you are totally wrong in how you read this passage.

Lu 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[PennEd]

And to be specific.... EXACTLY what you said I said was (Post 1737) "You say God told you that the reason He created man was so that man would make a choice." <--That's singular.

I was talking about a singular purpose that involved an unspecified number of choices. You have spoken of a singular choice and multiple purposes.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Who on 1st...?

 

[PennEd]

Of course I heard his voice. Is it not written "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me"?

And you're not supposed to take my word for it. You are supposed to pray about it rather than rely on your own understanding.

I posted only one verse and one example (of many) that supported what I was told about the purpose of this life for man, after having asked God sincerely. You claimed I was wrong without proving it, and offered an alternative 6 purposes.

You are welcome to show us the verses from which your 6 pieces are taken if you wish. I know they're in there, I've read them too. But it's not the scriptures that are in question. But your understanding of them led you to believe an error, which has been pointed out to you fairly clearly.

I chose not to rely on my own understanding, which may have been close to your own, because I too have made mistakes where I thought I understood, but hadn't actually asked. And this was one where I wanted to know for sure. So instead I sought God for his understanding. <--That is what we're supposed to do. We're also supposed to believe that "all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive" which thing I believed. And we're supposed to continue in faith until he answers...which I did, and was willing to do for months or years if necessary because I trusted him to answer (in any way and time he willed). And having asked, we're supposed to receive...which thing also happened, because God always holds up his end of the bargain.

I don't always get my end of the deal right, but in this case it worked out that I did. And I love him for it.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

What does following Him have to do with Him supposedly telling you that the purpose of Him creating us is to choose?

Praying about a situation is absolutely what we SHOULD be doing, BUT most importantly, we need to employ JESUS'S example of constantly applying Scripture to the answer we received, and being good Bereans:

Acts 17:11 New King James Version (NKJV)
11 These were more [a]fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

So can you please show me in Scripture where God said the purpose of creating man was for him to choose?

 

[KelbyofGod]

Who on 1st...?

I was pointing out that you made an incorrect assumption about what I'd said, then inserted your assumption into a misquote which you then referred to as "EXACTLY" what I'd said.

1. I feel you should admit your error rather than downplay it with a comical reference suggesting the fault was mine.
2. The mistake is easy for a man to make, but it changes the meaning of what was said. That's why I was correcting it.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[Wansvic]

More likely that you are totally wrong in how you read this passage.

Lu 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Beings you disagree please share your understanding.

 

[Absolutely]

More likely that you are totally wrong in how you read this passage.

Lu 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Based on the statements in the parable,which i am centered on,and understanding that it is a bride/groom/gathering/marriage chamber intimacy/and half left out due to oil.....i seriously doubt your omission based interpretation.

 

[Absolutely]

Beings you disagree please share your understanding.

And he may even leave the obvious intact.

 

[KelbyofGod]

What does following Him have to do with Him supposedly telling you that the purpose of Him creating us is to choose?

I posted the whole verse, rather than just the first part. Feel free to disregard the last part if it is distracting.

Praying about a situation is absolutely what we SHOULD be doing, BUT most importantly, we need to employ JESUS'S example of constantly applying Scripture to the answer we received, and being good Bereans:

Who told you that this part (or is that 2 parts) is "most important" <--where is that written as being "most important"?

Acts 17:11 New King James Version (NKJV)

11 These were more [a]fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

First they received the word readily . Then they searched the Scriptures daily (to me that implies more than one day) to find out whether these things were so. You spent less than 15 hours before replying "Yes. There is error in the answer you have received." 1. How is that receiving the word readily? 2. How is that searching daily? 3. What was the error?

So can you please show me in Scripture where God said the purpose of creating man was for him to choose?

Nope, I wasn't asking about something I could find quoted in scripture. That's part of the reason I classified it as a hard question. So I had to spend time in the word and prayer to see if what was told me was also shown throughout the scriptures. Spoiler Alert: It is, starting w/Adam and Eve and continuing through this day. But if you're truly like the Bereans, you'll find that out yourself.

BTW, you should consider that it is likely that the Bereans did not have the New Testament to go by. (most of it wasn't written, and it certainly hadn't been cannonized into "the bible".) So they had to find the truth about Jesus in the OT, without so much as a quote using Jesus' name.

Love in Jesus to all,
Kelby

 

[PennEd]

I posted the whole verse, rather than just the first part. Feel free to disregard the last part if it is distracting.



Who told you that this part (or is that 2 parts) is "most important" <--where is that written as being "most important"?


First they received the word readily . Then they searched the Scriptures daily (to me that implies more than one day) to find out whether these things were so. You spent less than 15 hours before replying "Yes. There is error in the answer you have received." 1. How is that receiving the word readily? 2. How is that searching daily? 3. What was the error?


Nope, I wasn't asking about something I could find quoted in scripture. That's part of the reason I classified it as a hard question. So I had to spend time in the word and prayer to see if what was told me was also shown throughout the scriptures. Spoiler Alert: It is, starting w/Adam and Eve and continuing through this day. But if you're truly like the Bereans, you'll find that out yourself.

BTW, you should consider that it is likely that the Bereans did not have the New Testament to go by. (most of it wasn't written, and it certainly hadn't been cannonized into "the bible".) So they had to find the truth about Jesus in the OT, without so much as a quote using Jesus' name.

Love in Jesus to all,
Kelby

Not gonna deviate to the left or right until the matter of God telling you the purpose for which He created man was to choose is settled.


I have already given a ton of Scripture to validate my points. You have given ONE verse, wildly out of context or meaning to what is being discussed to bolster this voice telling you the purpose for God creating man.

You don't wanna back up your claim with Scripture that's on YOU, not me.

To answer about being a good Berean, I can honestly say I literally can't remember the last day that I didn't read, pray on, study, and meditate on God's Word. THAT is His manna that we are supposed to live on. From Christ's own mouth:

Matthew 4:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

 

[Wansvic]

And he may even leave the obvious intact.

To what are you referring?

Based on the statements in the parable,which i am centered on,and understanding that it is a bride/groom/gathering/marriage chamber intimacy/and half left out due to oil.....i seriously doubt your omission based interpretation.

So am I to understand you still believe all 10 virgins were saved? Even though the parable indicates that the bridegroom refused 5 virgins entrance due to their lack of oil?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Now go to acts where recieving the baptism in the Holy Spirit is a COMPLETELY SEPARATE experience through the laying on of hands.

Stop cherry picking.

One instance recorded in acts, a man received the Holy Spirit BEFORE salvation.

Do you think salvation comes by laying on of hands?

I know

what part of completely separate experience are people having a problem with?

 

[Absolutely]

I posted the whole verse, rather than just the first part. Feel free to disregard the last part if it is distracting.



Who told you that this part (or is that 2 parts) is "most important" <--where is that written as being "most important"?


First they received the word readily . Then they searched the Scriptures daily (to me that implies more than one day) to find out whether these things were so. You spent less than 15 hours before replying "Yes. There is error in the answer you have received." 1. How is that receiving the word readily? 2. How is that searching daily? 3. What was the error?


Nope, I wasn't asking about something I could find quoted in scripture. That's part of the reason I classified it as a hard question. So I had to spend time in the word and prayer to see if what was told me was also shown throughout the scriptures. Spoiler Alert: It is, starting w/Adam and Eve and continuing through this day. But if you're truly like the Bereans, you'll find that out yourself.

BTW, you should consider that it is likely that the Bereans did not have the New Testament to go by. (most of it wasn't written, and it certainly hadn't been cannonized into "the bible".) So they had to find the truth about Jesus in the OT, without so much as a quote using Jesus' name.

Love in Jesus to all,
Kelby

Not gonna deviate to the left or right until the matter of God telling you the purpose for which He created man was to choose is settled.


I have already given a ton of Scripture to validate my points. You have given ONE verse, wildly out of context or meaning to what is being discussed to bolster this voice telling you the purpose for God creating man.

You don't wanna back up your claim with Scripture that's on YOU, not me.

To answer about being a good Berean, I can honestly say I literally can't remember the last day that I didn't read, pray on, study, and meditate on God's Word. THAT is His manna that we are supposed to live on. From Christ's own mouth:

Matthew 4:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Man was created to:
Serve
Worship
Fellowship
Build His kingdom
Glorify Himself
And to choose.

If you leave out choose,noe of the rest matters,because we are left as robots/reptiles.

I think God was showing her that.

 

[Absolutely]

To what are you referring?

So am I to understand you still believe all 10 virgins were saved? Even though the parable indicates that the bridegroom refused 5 virgins entrance due to their lack of oil?

It indicates they are/were saved.
Show me the heathen that are pure,undefiled,have light,waiting for Jesus,and sleeping with born again christians.
We also need to call it normal that the heathen loose oil and ask for impartation of what they ran out of (the Holy Spirit)
Show me where that is beyond logic and no brainer reasoning.

Vivid,vivid unquestionable picture of half the church as carnal,nominal believers,without intimacy,and left behind at the rapture.

 

[PennEd]

Man was created to:
Serve
Worship
Fellowship
Build His kingdom
Glorify Himself
And to choose.

If you leave out choose,noe of the rest matters,because we are left as robots/reptiles.

I think God was showing her that.

Yes. MANY posts ago I said part of God's plan in creating man WAS to choose. Choosing illustrates their trust and love for God. Otherwise there would be NO Tree of the knowledge of good and evil available for them to choose.

THEY, Adam & Eve, were made perfect in Body, Spirit and Soul. I believe THEY had a legitimate choice before they chose wrong and died.

EVERYONE born of them, and after them, is born in ADAM'S spiritual image. NOT God's!

So we are in essence born spiritually dead. Many Scriptures testify to this. Dead people CANNOT make ANY choices.

Make NO mistake. THIS is THE definitive purpose for God Creating man:

Isaiah 43:7 New King James Version (NKJV)
7 Everyone who is called by My name,
Whom I have created for My glory;
I have formed him, yes, I have made him.”


Should kinda settle the question. Prolly not gonna happen I suspect.

 

[wolfwint]

God is not in anyones box.
Doesnt mean certain patterns are not there.
The fact that no 2 people pray alike to get saved does not exclude there are certain dynamics from God in the word concerning salvation.
Take some inventorty sir.
Ask yourself why you would ignore the FACT that in acts you resist a no brainer.

When did they lay hands on you,as is the pattern in the bible and in our modern day as is the testimony of thousands baptised in The Holy Spirit authenticated by the word.

...or are you re establishing what Jesus does with your "understanding"

Why then it seems that laying the hand on somebody is in your eyes is the only pattern to recieve the Holy Spirit? Who lays the hand on the believers in acts 2 ore in acts 8 when phillip met the athiopian?