Why Christians get a bad rap amongst the Jews...(an example)

[eternally-gratefull]

I haven't heard any answers to what is going on in Ezekiel chapters 40 through 48 especially 43 and 45. It's all there...Courts, Temple, Priests, Sacrifice, Feasts, Altar all in the future. Can you enlighten us?

They like to use it as a mocking chastening of our belief system. But they can not answer when those things would be.

There reasoning as for why it will not happen is unfounded and not even applicable. Considering never in the history of temple sacrifice, has one sin been redeemed by an animal.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

2 Corinthians 6:16...

So this verse tells us what God said will happen will not?

You can do better than this.

This is not a salvation issue, never has, never will be, so this line of reasoning is flawed to say the least

 

[iamsoandso]

So now we are back to spiritualizing the text?
We are given 9 chapters of detailed descriptions and you answer it in one verse completely out of context?

Forgive me I thought Paul was literally quoting Ezekiel 37:27...

 

[iamsoandso]

So this verse tells us what God said will happen will not?

You can do better than this.

This is not a salvation issue, never has, never will be, so this line of reasoning is flawed to say the least

I'm outside the camps, so if theres a scripture thats ofenceive to your camp tell me so I wont bring it up.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm outside the camps, so if theres a scripture thats ofenceive to your camp tell me so I wont bring it up.

Nothing offends me per say..lol

I am just saying try to look at it from a different perspective.

The only way your argument makes sense is if this is an issue concerning salvation. Since it is not. The temple being rebuilt or even sacrifice being restored is nothing but what God said will happen. Why? I do not know and can not answer and would not even try, but we just know God said it will happen. Thus in faith we believe it will.

 

[crossnote]

I'm outside the camps, so if theres a scripture thats ofenceive to your camp tell me so I wont bring it up.

Paul was talking about the temple of our bodies not to be mixed with idols in relationship of being unequally yoked with unbelievers. A far cry from Ezekiel's Temple.

 

[crossnote]

Forgive me I thought Paul was literally quoting Ezekiel 37:27...

Sorry I meant the previous reply go to this post...

'Paul was talking about the temple of our bodies not to be mixed with idols in relationship of being unequally yoked with unbelievers. A far cry from Ezekiel's Temple.'

Besides, are we here yet?

Ezekiel 37:25 KJV
[25] And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

 

[kaylagrl]

Sorry I meant the previous reply go to this post...

'Paul was talking about the temple of our bodies not to be mixed with idols in relationship of being unequally yoked with unbelievers. A far cry from Ezekiel's Temple.'

Besides, are we here yet?

Ezekiel 37:25 KJV
[25] And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

Just thought this was an interesting video to add. I don't know why Canada ever let Harper be voted out.

 

[Hevosmies358]

Irony alert:

Christians care more about the temple than jews do.

Lets look at the facts:

Most jews in israel are white russians, ukrainians, etc. they are reformed jews which means they are LIBERALS, they are just your usual white people that are into things like: LGBT rights, animal rights, feminism, starbucks, gluten free diets and the like!
What this means is that large majority of the population is NOT religious, does not care one bit about judaism and to top it all off, would never want to sacrifice animals, because thats barbaric and muh animal rights doe.

Does this mean that the few nutjobs who are actually working for the temple in the temple institute (all that less than 1% of the population) wont build it? Of course not. There is a chance they might get something going, but they have to deal with not only the political problem of the dome of the rock, but also the animal rights activists' and the liberals in Israel.

I saw some dummy who was supposedly a Christian actually sent a red heifer to Israel.... I dont know what was wrong with him, but he just decided to tread on Jesus' blood by sending in animal sacrifices to Christ rejecting people. Maybe he listens to hamburger hagee?

My point is lets not get carried away with the temple shenanigans. They'll build it, or not. Don't make no difference, God wont be a million miles from it. God will not sanction animal sacrifice in that temple, and anyone that teaches otherwise is just wrong. Book of Hebrews makes that clear. Shut it down.

There are a ton of christians lying on youtube about the temple. Its disgusting and makes Christianity look really bad. Make it end!
You get titles like "TRUMP FUNDING TEMPLE CONFIRMED BUILT IN 2018!!!". Calm down fellas.

I like the way dcon looks at it. He believes it'll happen but isnt going full dispie on it. Remember guys, never go full dispie.. ever.

 

[crossnote]

Irony alert:

Christians care more about the temple than jews do.

Lets look at the facts:

Most jews in israel are white russians, ukrainians, etc. they are reformed jews which means they are LIBERALS, they are just your usual white people that are into things like: LGBT rights, animal rights, feminism, starbucks, gluten free diets and the like!
What this means is that large majority of the population is NOT religious, does not care one bit about judaism and to top it all off, would never want to sacrifice animals, because thats barbaric and muh animal rights doe.

Does this mean that the few nutjobs who are actually working for the temple in the temple institute (all that less than 1% of the population) wont build it? Of course not. There is a chance they might get something going, but they have to deal with not only the political problem of the dome of the rock, but also the animal rights activists' and the liberals in Israel.

I saw some dummy who was supposedly a Christian actually sent a red heifer to Israel.... I dont know what was wrong with him, but he just decided to tread on Jesus' blood by sending in animal sacrifices to Christ rejecting people. Maybe he listens to hamburger hagee?

My point is lets not get carried away with the temple shenanigans. They'll build it, or not. Don't make no difference, God wont be a million miles from it. God will not sanction animal sacrifice in that temple, and anyone that teaches otherwise is just wrong. Book of Hebrews makes that clear. Shut it down.

There are a ton of christians lying on youtube about the temple. Its disgusting and makes Christianity look really bad. Make it end!
You get titles like "TRUMP FUNDING TEMPLE CONFIRMED BUILT IN 2018!!!". Calm down fellas.

I like the way dcon looks at it. He believes it'll happen but isnt going full dispie on it. Remember guys, never go full dispie.. ever.

The third Temple will happen, otherwise known as the antichrst temple. No Christian should donate towards it.

 

[iamsoandso]

Irony alert:

Christians care more about the temple than jews do.

Lets look at the facts:

Most jews in israel are white russians, ukrainians, etc. they are reformed jews which means they are LIBERALS, they are just your usual white people that are into things like: LGBT rights, animal rights, feminism, starbucks, gluten free diets and the like!
What this means is that large majority of the population is NOT religious, does not care one bit about judaism and to top it all off, would never want to sacrifice animals, because thats barbaric and muh animal rights doe.

Does this mean that the few nutjobs who are actually working for the temple in the temple institute (all that less than 1% of the population) wont build it? Of course not. There is a chance they might get something going, but they have to deal with not only the political problem of the dome of the rock, but also the animal rights activists' and the liberals in Israel.

I saw some dummy who was supposedly a Christian actually sent a red heifer to Israel.... I dont know what was wrong with him, but he just decided to tread on Jesus' blood by sending in animal sacrifices to Christ rejecting people. Maybe he listens to hamburger hagee?

My point is lets not get carried away with the temple shenanigans. They'll build it, or not. Don't make no difference, God wont be a million miles from it. God will not sanction animal sacrifice in that temple, and anyone that teaches otherwise is just wrong. Book of Hebrews makes that clear. Shut it down.

There are a ton of christians lying on youtube about the temple. Its disgusting and makes Christianity look really bad. Make it end!
You get titles like "TRUMP FUNDING TEMPLE CONFIRMED BUILT IN 2018!!!". Calm down fellas.

I like the way dcon looks at it. He believes it'll happen but isnt going full dispie on it. Remember guys, never go full dispie.. 'ever.

lol, It's almost like a misnomer to say "I'm pre trib,,the things that are going on are leading up to the antichrist..the rfid is the mark,,the temple their building is where the antichrist will rise ect." That is if any of this is here now and so are we post trib. is correct.(no offense to any pre trib's lol just an observation)

 

[crossnote]

lol, It's almost like a misnomer to say "I'm pre trib,,the things that are going on are leading up to the antichrist..the rfid is the mark,,the temple their building is where the antichrist will rise ect." That is if any of this is here now and so are we post trib. is correct.(no offense to any pre trib's lol just an observation)

As a pre-tribber, no offense, we won't be here anyways to see those things. LOL

 

[Endoscopy]

The third Temple will happen, otherwise known as the antichrst temple. No Christian should donate towards it.

Here are some videos and documents about the subject. The site of the temples has been excavated. It is not on the template mount. Too many ignore where the Torah said the temple was built. In the City of David at the north end. The site is close to the temple Mount but not on it. The wailing wall is part of the Roman Fort Antonio. The Romans destroyed the entire temple complex and Josephus recorded he watched the Romans destroy it and cart away all of the blocks it was built with. He stated if he had not seen it happen he would not have known where it was. Therefore the wailing wall was never part of the temple complex!!

Second temple location - where was it built

Second Temple
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple

Destruction of the second temple
http://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48944036.html?tab=y#

 

[iamsoandso]

Here are some videos and documents about the subject. The site of the temples has been excavated. It is not on the template mount. Too many ignore where the Torah said the temple was built. In the City of David at the north end. The site is close to the temple Mount but not on it. The wailing wall is part of the Roman Fort Antonio. The Romans destroyed the entire temple complex and Josephus recorded he watched the Romans destroy it and cart away all of the blocks it was built with. He stated if he had not seen it happen he would not have known where it was. Therefore the wailing wall was never part of the temple complex!!

Second temple location - where was it built

Second Temple
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple

Destruction of the second temple
http://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48944036.html?tab=y#

That's what I mean though,, if the two horned beast or anything that is leading up to the mark is at all in the world today then he's here now and so it's post trib already or else nothing in the world now has anything to do it.

 

[crossnote]

Here are some videos and documents about the subject. The site of the temples has been excavated. It is not on the template mount. Too many ignore where the Torah said the temple was built. In the City of David at the north end. The site is close to the temple Mount but not on it. The wailing wall is part of the Roman Fort Antonio. The Romans destroyed the entire temple complex and Josephus recorded he watched the Romans destroy it and cart away all of the blocks it was built with. He stated if he had not seen it happen he would not have known where it was. Therefore the wailing wall was never part of the temple complex!!

Second temple location - where was it built

Second Temple
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple

Destruction of the second temple
http://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48944036.html?tab=y#

I've heard those theories before, also have heard their refutation.

 

[Jackson123]

A bad rap...

Here is a portion of an article from History.com ...

"With the rise of Christianity, anti-Semitism spread throughout much of Europe. Early Christians vilified Judaism in a bid to gain more converts. They accused Jews of outlandish acts such as “blood libel”—the kidnapping and murder of Christian children to use their blood to make Passover bread. "
https://www.history.com/topics/holocaust/anti-semitism
(did you notice no citations were given for any of these claims?)

There are at least two misrepresentations here, can you name them? Can you give other examples?

I meet an Easter European catholic, she was catholic, and she told me, when she was young in her country, there was rumor that Jews was kill christians for ritual sacrifice.

According to dr Alberto Rivera, catholic do not like Jews.

So spread a rumor of Jews killing Christian is part of their strategy to make people do not lie Jews.

Thus is call disinformation.

In one of his testimony, ex jesuit, Alberto Rivera, say jesuit is good in lie.

If they assigned you to a Christian that do not like catholic, they teach you to say bad thing about catholic.

Example, catholic is killer, pagan etc.

So Christian believe you not work for catholic.

This train you to be a good liar.

This is part of statement that I copy from jesuit oath

generally to be a Protestant, and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.



1. Denounce with all vehemence the nature of our holy religion

Say bad thing about catholic so people think you not catholic.

2. Pay attention of this statement

Quote

And even to descend as low as Jew

End quote

This statement tell us that catholic think Jew is very low, dislike.

Link of jesuit oath

http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html

 

[Jackson123]

Another quote from jesuit oath

Quote

You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces, states that were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace. To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly with

End quote

Plant seed of jealousy and hatred among community is part of their strategy

So I believe to spread a rumor Jews kill christians is an example of the above command

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's what I mean though,, if the two horned beast or anything that is leading up to the mark is at all in the world today then he's here now and so it's post trib already or else nothing in the world now has anything to do it.

Why is this?

The 1 week covenant has not even been confirmed yet. Plus many believe the trib is only 3.5 years (1st 3.5 is supposed peace, but thats another discussion) so the final week has not even started yet, even if they are already here,

 

[garee]

Because God never,ever said he was going to do something and did not literally fulfill it from the beginning up till then? Do you have an example?

Not sure what you mean? Are you saying the demonstration of the Lamb who was slain from before the foundation of the world when God was working. Having finished all the work he created a rest on the last day . Are you saying it was not promised and they were not anticipating the time period of Kings used as a parable for the time present coming to end when the veil was rent. (not 70 AD) Signaling the end of that temporal period and the beginning of the restored government.

 

[garee]

I can't believe you said that. Crass Gnosticism. It was REAL LITERAL BLOOD... not 'As If'

Hebrews 2:14 KJV
[14] Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Hebrews 9:12 KJV
[12] Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us .

Hebrews 9:14 KJV
[14] How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hebrews 9:22 KJV
[22] And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Hebrews 10:29 KJV
[29] Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Hebrews 13:12 KJV
[12] Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Acts 20:28 KJV
[28] Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

While it does not change the outcome of the gospel .It does distinguish how we can hear God who is not a man as us. (A Creation)

Remember without parable the Spirit of Christ spoke not and the use of literal blood is not left out as a common metaphor used in various parables that do hide the unseen meaning.

Blood seen, the temporal represents the Spirit not seen the eternal .

We walk by faith the unseen eternal not after what the eyes see the temporal.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal

Lifeless, spiritless blood like water is used to represent Spirit life.( Unseen eternal) While the life of the flesh is in the blood. Literal blood without the spirit essence of life has no life to offer. . When a person dies their corrupted spirit returns to the father and the body of dust and water return again to the lifeless spirit dust was formed from . Again his flesh which he says profits for nothing.

It must of been typfifed as sinfull to perform that not seen not according to the letter of the law . the one time "demonstration" is over, we walk by faith .