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These people easily claim they are unworthy sinners who can only point to Jesus and they have the
true faith in Jesus not to add anything to His work. But truly they are claiming 100% faith.
In this argument, commandments are sarcastic jokes, their failure is Gods intention, righteousness
and goodness is never achievable, the cross was God showing how great He is nothing more, and
He forgives who He chooses, and they are incapable of walking like Him.
But that is the joke. God has always been perfect, fulfilled, true, Holy, pure, righteous.
The power of the cross is to cleanse and purify us through forgiveness and love, to open our hearts
and cleanse us, to purify us through faith, empower us to walk and know the love that abounds in
Him. The apostles knew how incredible this is, so they stated as such.
13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds
done in the humility that comes from wisdom.
14 But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth.
15 Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil.
16 For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.
17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate,
submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.
18 Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.
James 3
We obey Jesus because we love Him.
23 If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching
John 14
If one does not love Him, one does not obey Him. This is an important realisation, because rather people learn
this now than before the throne of God. Once learnt one can repent and accept His forgiveness and start
to learn what His means, and walk in His ways. Make no mistake God cannot be mocked.
7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction;
the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
Gal 6
true faith in Jesus not to add anything to His work. But truly they are claiming 100% faith.
In this argument, commandments are sarcastic jokes, their failure is Gods intention, righteousness
and goodness is never achievable, the cross was God showing how great He is nothing more, and
He forgives who He chooses, and they are incapable of walking like Him.
But that is the joke. God has always been perfect, fulfilled, true, Holy, pure, righteous.
The power of the cross is to cleanse and purify us through forgiveness and love, to open our hearts
and cleanse us, to purify us through faith, empower us to walk and know the love that abounds in
Him. The apostles knew how incredible this is, so they stated as such.
13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds
done in the humility that comes from wisdom.
14 But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth.
15 Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil.
16 For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.
17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate,
submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.
18 Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.
James 3
We obey Jesus because we love Him.
23 If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching
John 14
If one does not love Him, one does not obey Him. This is an important realisation, because rather people learn
this now than before the throne of God. Once learnt one can repent and accept His forgiveness and start
to learn what His means, and walk in His ways. Make no mistake God cannot be mocked.
7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction;
the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
Gal 6
Those who do not know Jesus, literally, think their walk is adding to Jesus's work rather than
the fulfilment of it.
This is so fundamental to repentance, purity, holiness, those who preach the opposite have never
entered in, and are trying to close the door for those who might believe and enter.
Their faith is the faith that all are saved no matter what, so why preach so aggressively, unless in
truth they represent opposition to the very gospel itself, and wish to persuade as many as will listen
to abandon the path of salvation and faith, and stay like the world lost in sin.
In their theology I am as saved as anyone, and can never lose it, so why get angry, why accuse of
blasphemy which does not matter, because put simply they are no friend of Jesus or His love.
They claim not to be condemning, judgemental or divisive, except this is what they preach all the
time, and desire to discourage anyone who takes holiness and purity seriously as God intended.
Such opposition to the path of God has only one source.
7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thess 4
the fulfilment of it.
This is so fundamental to repentance, purity, holiness, those who preach the opposite have never
entered in, and are trying to close the door for those who might believe and enter.
Their faith is the faith that all are saved no matter what, so why preach so aggressively, unless in
truth they represent opposition to the very gospel itself, and wish to persuade as many as will listen
to abandon the path of salvation and faith, and stay like the world lost in sin.
In their theology I am as saved as anyone, and can never lose it, so why get angry, why accuse of
blasphemy which does not matter, because put simply they are no friend of Jesus or His love.
They claim not to be condemning, judgemental or divisive, except this is what they preach all the
time, and desire to discourage anyone who takes holiness and purity seriously as God intended.
Such opposition to the path of God has only one source.
7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thess 4
Let's hear it for the beautiful verses Paul wrote in Titus!!
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. 15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
Those who have truly received GRACE have
a. Been taught to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts.
b. Been taught to live soberly, righteousnly in this present world. (or age)
c. Looking for the blessed hope and appearing of our Great God and Saviour.
d. Have been redeemed from all iniquity.
e. Have been redeemed by Christ, with the intent to be a purified, peculiar people, zealous of good works.
f. And we are to teach these thing with all authority, and not allow ourselves to be despised.
NOTE- These are all DESCRIPTIVE statements, not prescriptive. In other words, they are not things prescribed in order to receive grace/salvation, they are descriptive of those WHO HAVE received salvation.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. 15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
Those who have truly received GRACE have
a. Been taught to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts.
b. Been taught to live soberly, righteousnly in this present world. (or age)
c. Looking for the blessed hope and appearing of our Great God and Saviour.
d. Have been redeemed from all iniquity.
e. Have been redeemed by Christ, with the intent to be a purified, peculiar people, zealous of good works.
f. And we are to teach these thing with all authority, and not allow ourselves to be despised.
NOTE- These are all DESCRIPTIVE statements, not prescriptive. In other words, they are not things prescribed in order to receive grace/salvation, they are descriptive of those WHO HAVE received salvation.
1. a person CANNOT lose their salvation,
2. and this fact (point 1 above) is based on the faithfulness of GOD
Why are you deliberately lying? Is it because a Christian can lie all they want?
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. 15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
2. and this fact (point 1 above) is based on the faithfulness of GOD
Why are you deliberately lying? Is it because a Christian can lie all they want?
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. 15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
They should not despise me for teaching what Titus 2:11-14 says, because Paul said the things in that passage are to be spoken and exhort and those who deny them should be rebuked, and he tells Titus not to let anyone despise him for doing so.
So I don't have the authority Paul had, nor that Titus had, but I can still proclaim the truths written in Titus 2, and I guess people can just despise me for doing so, but I personally don't care.
If you thought I cared about popularity, you were wrong. The truth is never popular, not even among professing Christians, obviously.
So I don't have the authority Paul had, nor that Titus had, but I can still proclaim the truths written in Titus 2, and I guess people can just despise me for doing so, but I personally don't care.
If you thought I cared about popularity, you were wrong. The truth is never popular, not even among professing Christians, obviously.
You obviously do not know what the doctrine of perserverance teaches. The doctrine of perserverance and the doctrine of eternal security are ONE AND THE SAME.
Why are you treating the Name Above All Names with IRREVERANCE?
. But anyways, I don't know who Jeezus is, but my GREAT GOD AND SAVIOUR JESUS finishes and completes my faith. Which is exactly why those who are saved believe and will believe until the end. Even though a Christian may have a temporary lapse, and the Good shepherd may have to go and retrieve them.
That we might be partakers of His Holiness and To produce righteousness in us. (Hebrews 12:10-11) Why do you believe He chastens them.
Where does it say in the Bible that God yanks inheritance from us?
Because some of our works will be burned up.
I'll let Paul answer that one.
1 Corinthians 5:5- To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of theLord Jesus.
Wrong again, as evidenced by my answers above
never said a believer does not sin. Do you want a hat for your strawman or a match to burn it with?
Why are you treating the Name Above All Names with IRREVERANCE?
. But anyways, I don't know who Jeezus is, but my GREAT GOD AND SAVIOUR JESUS finishes and completes my faith. Which is exactly why those who are saved believe and will believe until the end. Even though a Christian may have a temporary lapse, and the Good shepherd may have to go and retrieve them. That we might be partakers of His Holiness and To produce righteousness in us. (Hebrews 12:10-11) Why do you believe He chastens them.
Where does it say in the Bible that God yanks inheritance from us?
Because some of our works will be burned up.
I'll let Paul answer that one.
1 Corinthians 5:5- To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of theLord Jesus.
Wrong again, as evidenced by my answers abovenever said a believer does not sin. Do you want a hat for your strawman or a match to burn it with?
K
The once saved always saved is very risky business, that is pretty saying there are automatic wheats who don’t get judge at judgement day, the wheat and tares have not been divided yet, everyone will be judged according to deeds and those are not of OT deeds, and no one knows want the judge will do.
Matt 7
21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’
22 and 23 is quite profound in that even though they did miracles, good deeds etc. in Jesus name, even folks who believe and do mighty things. plainly are not known.
Matt 7
21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’
22 and 23 is quite profound in that even though they did miracles, good deeds etc. in Jesus name, even folks who believe and do mighty things. plainly are not known.
K
Things of deeds/works that are required are these,
Gala 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
which I fall short myself and need to ingrain these. other whys wont be known, and I believe this goes for everyone not just me.
Gala 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
which I fall short myself and need to ingrain these. other whys wont be known, and I believe this goes for everyone not just me.
K
Of these things self control is probably the hardest to do, no doubt I’m guilty of this, but I’m not the only I see far to many who like me have no self control, at times I’m not patience kind good gentle. if I lack these I’m not very worthy. I can’t keep saying o well it’s a new day that doesn’t cut it, I have to ingrain these and they need to be part of who I am.
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Mr. M.....I think you are bringing together two separate ideas that are in fact separate
The old man and sin nature are not one and the same
When we are born again we put off the old man, the old man is our former position in the first Adam.
Everything we were in Adam #1 is gone. So yes we become a new creation in Christ, located there positionally and judicially.
When you understand this you will understand why the doctrine of "perserverance" of the saints is not true OSAS but the carnal (as in the flesh) approach to OSAS.
The new man still resides in the body where the sin is ever present, there will always be a propensity for sin in our lives that is just a fact.
The old man and sin nature are not one and the same
When we are born again we put off the old man, the old man is our former position in the first Adam.
Everything we were in Adam #1 is gone. So yes we become a new creation in Christ, located there positionally and judicially.
When you understand this you will understand why the doctrine of "perserverance" of the saints is not true OSAS but the carnal (as in the flesh) approach to OSAS.
The new man still resides in the body where the sin is ever present, there will always be a propensity for sin in our lives that is just a fact.
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