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Filling Heaven and Earth - Volume

Jer 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.


When God says he fills heaven and earth, that is not a volumetric measure, because God is immaterial; he has no volume.

From both the textual context, and the doctrinal fact that God is immaterial and has no volume, we seem to be left here with a metaphor describing God's omnipresence and omniscience. And if you are God, you don't require volume to have omnipresence.



It's wonderful to think about God, and discuss his nature and "immeasurableness"... but he is so unlike us that it all just becomes stranger and stranger the more we think about it.
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theanointedwinner said:
Even his manifestation is a mystery
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True. The minute we label God we have limited Him. We know God is Spirit but He can produce a body for Himself or a cherub at will. We know He has a countenance. He can be invisible or visible. He is normally very bright so even sunlight will not be needed (Rev. 22:5). Whatever He is like, we will be also (1 John 3:2).
 
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maxwel said:
Filling Heaven and Earth - Volume

Jer 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.


When God says he fills heaven and earth, that is not a volumetric measure, because God is immaterial; he has no volume.

From both the textual context, and the doctrinal fact that God is immaterial and has no volume, we seem to be left here with a metaphor describing God's omnipresence and omniscience. And if you are God, you don't require volume to have omnipresence.



It's wonderful to think about God, and discuss his nature and "immeasurableness"... but he is so unlike us that it all just becomes stranger and stranger the more we think about it.
: )
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I think you just described the Holy Spirit. :love:
 
maxwel

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Immaterial

God is the one who has always maintained he is immaterial.

1. God makes it clear in scripture he is spirit; he states it clearly.
2. God existed before the creation of matter... so he cannot be matter.
3. No theologians dispute the fact God is immaterial... this is very rudimentary and orthodox doctrine.

So how did God eat with Abraham?

God, at different times, took on several different physical manifestations.

1. God manifested as a pillar of fire... that does not mean God is a fire, and you can extinguish him with a bucket of water.
2. God manifested as a pillar of smoke... that does not mean God is a smokescreen and you can blow him around with a big fan.
3. God manifested as a man... that does not mean God is a man. In fact, God says clearly in scripture he is NOT a man... just in case anyone got confused. (Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie)


The fact that God is immaterial is very rudimentary doctrine, and I don't think it's ever been disputed within Christian orthodoxy.

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maxwel said:
God is spirit.
He existed before the creation of space and matter: therefore he is neither comprised of space and matter, nor limited by space and matter.
So he cannot have density, mass, or volume... he is immaterial.

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PMV is a equation.

1 John 5
8the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and these three are in agreement.
Volume, mass, density
 
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Density isn’t a actual physical object per say it is basically a description, anything can have density rather a drop of water or the whole universe, or the unlimited density of God.
 
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KnowMe said:
PMV is a equation.

1 John 5
8the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and these three are in agreement.
Volume, mass, density
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Right, but I don't see how you can extrapolate the formula for density by making one of the variables an entity that is not even capable of having volume (spirit).
And I don't know why you'd want to do this.

I understand that we would like to see physics and mathematics in scripture, but I can't see how 1 John 5 is an example of the density equation. It seems forced.

I mean, it's very interesting and everything.
And it's perfectly fine to talk about all this stuff.
But it really does seem forced.

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KnowMe said:
Density isn’t a actual physical object per say it is basically a description, anything can have density rather a drop of water or the whole universe, or the unlimited density of God.
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But density has to be a description of something in the physical universe.

And God isn't part of the physical universe.

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KnowMe,

This is all very interesting stuff.
I need to run for the night -
please feel free to either continue here or msg me privately.
 
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maxwel said:
But density has to be a description of something in the physical universe.

And God isn't part of the physical universe.

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If I may I’ll explain it in another way, your soul/spirit in your physical body has mass and volume for it is contain within you, you will be known in heaven as you are known on earth, meaning the density of your soul/spirit doesn’t just dissolve or blend into one mass soul/spirit. There is individuality in heaven, for such thing to be there is a density about that. And Of coarse the mass and volume of God is immeasurable.
 
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maxwel said:
But density has to be a description of something in the physical universe.

And God isn't part of the physical universe.

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Well God certainly does move in and out of the physical universe, how is that done by changing density, rather it a burning bush, a cloud, or wrapped in light like a garment.
 
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theanointedwinner said:
so 1/3 does not mean one out of three of the trinitarian member or am I reading too much into this
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You first state '1/3', so I was asking you...you told me..and I told you what 'I thought' you were referring to, but I guess I was wrong with my hunch.
 
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KnowMe said:
If I may I’ll explain it in another way, your soul/spirit in your physical body has mass and volume for it is contain within you, you will be known in heaven as you are known on earth, meaning the density of your soul/spirit doesn’t just dissolve or blend into one mass soul/spirit. There is individuality in heaven, for such thing to be there is a density about that. And Of coarse the mass and volume of God is immeasurable.
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KnowMe said:
Thank you.
I stand corrected by someone, :)
about the volume and mass of God for God allowed someone to see His backside thus has mass and volume.
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How did Moses see God's back? I know it happened in the Bible, how?
 
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KnowMe said:
Density isn’t a actual physical object per say it is basically a description, anything can have density rather a drop of water or the whole universe, or the unlimited density of God.
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We do not know God after density. Molecules and Atoms.

He remains without mother and father, beginning of Spirit life or end thereof.
 
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garee said:
We do not know God after density. Molecules and Atoms.

He remains without mother and father, beginning of Spirit life or end thereof.
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As said my friend density is a description of mass and volume and density isn’t about having a mother or father
 
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