Not By Works

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UnderGrace said:
So do you condemn yourself too or is this just for everyone else....just curious?
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NIV1984 John 12:47-50
“As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

NIV1984 Titus 2:7-8
In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us.

NIV1984 Titus 3:10-11
Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
 
corazondeldei said:
NIV1984 John 12:47-50
“As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

NIV1984 Titus 2:7-8
In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us.

NIV1984 Titus 3:10-11
Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
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You remind me of "Argueless"?

However I see he/she are no longer around >>>Hmmm.:unsure:

Well "Argueless" was on Ignore...the wall of text, out of context, always words of condemnation was hurting my eyes, I think I will do the same with you.
 
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Disconnecting Christians and the Flesh

One of the clearest places to see his is here in our text: 1 John 3:7. John says, “Little children, let no one deceive you [so he has the false teachers in view]. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.” What’s he saying? He is saying beware of the false teachers because what they say is that you can be righteous and not practice righteousness. “Let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous.”

In other words, John opposes not only their view of Christ, that they disconnect his person from his ordinary bodily life of doing things, but he also opposes their view of the Christian life when they disconnected our person from our ordinary bodily life of doing things: “The flesh didn’t really matter for Jesus; what mattered was that somehow, in a spiritual way, he was the Christ and there was no real union of the pre-existent Christ and the physical man Jesus. And our flesh doesn’t really matter either; but somehow, in a spiritual way, we are born again, but there is no real union between that new creation and our physical life that does righteousness or does sin.” Which led directly to the error that John points out in 1 John 3:7, that you can be righteous in some spiritual way, and yet not do righteousness in your ordinary physical life.

https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/no-one-born-of-god-makes-a-practice-of-sinning
 
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theanointedwinner said:
Where did undergrace call evil good or good evil?
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He is a salvation loser and still cannot argue the following....but rather just post negative tags on it....

The following is a comparison between the bible and salvation losers......and make no mistake...this is exactly what they peddle and or how they butcher the word of God by their losable salvation....

Bible --> I will never leave thee or forsake thee
Salvation Losers ---->Jesus is a liar and will leave us and forsake us

Bible --->We are saved to the uttermost and kept by the power of God through faith
Salvation losers --->The power of God is weak and inept, we are not saved to the uttermost and GOD does not keep us

Bible -->Jesus begins, finishes and completes the work of faith in us
Salvation losers ---> WE must maintain our faith because JESUS does not finish and complete the work of faith in us

Bible --> He that believes on the SON is having everlasting/eternal life
Salvation losers --->He that believes and MAINTAINS his belief on the SON is having temporal life based upon what he does or does not do

Bible --> Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the deeds/works of the law
Salvation losers -->James out of context tells us we are justified by our works before God

Bible -->It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
Salvation losers --->It pleased God by works, church membership, baptism, pew jumping, speaking in tongues, back flipping down the isle, saying 57 hail Mary's, taking the Lord's supper, keeping the sacraments and a dozen other religiously zealous man made efforts to save them

Bible -->NOTHING can separate us from the love of GOD
Salvation losers -->Numerous things can separate us from the love of GOD

Bible--->We are in the Son's hand, the Father's hand and NO AN can remove us from that position
Salvation losers -->The above is false, we can remove ourselves because God is weak and inept

Bible -->We are sealed unto the day of redemption
Salvation losers-->The seal of God can be broken because God is weak and inept

Bible --->Where sin abounds, grace abounds the more
Salvation losers--> We qualify, quantify sin and God's grace only covers those small sins when we mess up and for sure we have never lost it, but eternal security believers lose it because they believe they can live any way they want and live like the devil

Bible --->He that believes on the Son is not condemned
Salvation losers --> Believers are condemned all the time and returned to being goats after becoming sheep

Bible --> I will lose nothing, but raise it up the last day
Salvation losers -->God loses people all the time because he is too weak to keep them saved

Bible--> We are born again from above by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED
Salvation losers --> We are not born of incorruptible seed, because that seed can be corrupted and one die lost after being born again

Bible --> The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable
Salvation losers -->God's free GIFT of salvation can be revoked because GOD will break ALL the above promises and send one to hell after being saved

ETC.............I dare to say that salvation losers are false.....and what they peddle is not of GOD and as blasphemous as it comes......the above is a SMALL sample of scriptural promises that MUST BE DENIED, REJECTED and or SWEPT UNDER THE TABLE to peddle a dime store salvation that cannot be found in the bible and or a dime store salvation that devalues the work, promises and ministry of CHRIST!!!!!!!

The Gifts and Calling of GOD are IRREVOCABLE
SALVATION is a gift of GRACE
SALVATION is IRREVOCABLE!
 
UnderGrace said:
You remind me of "Argueless"?

However I see he/she are no longer around >>>Hmmm.:unsure:

Well "Argueless" was on Ignore...the wall of text, out of context, always words of condemnation was hurting my eyes, I think I will do the same with you.
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Exactly......and the same losable salvation ignorance.....then walls of text condemning without saying anything else.....
 
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dcontroversal said:
HAHAHHAAHHAHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHHAHHAH why no.........press away..I have on a few bloviators
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What I notice is the same repeated statements, and meaningless mocking.
As the people of God grow in His love and grace, the mockers stay alone lost
in their slavery to sin. Sad, lost and alone, without hope, thinking they have
promises which do not apply to these evil doers and unbelievers.....
 
FollowHisSteps said:
What I notice is the same repeated statements, and meaningless mocking.
As the people of God grow in His love and grace, the mockers stay alone lost
in their slavery to sin. Sad, lost and alone, without hope, thinking they have
promises which do not apply to these evil doers and unbelievers.....
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Sad and a greatest irony of all, the very thing they accuse believers of, It was similar to Matthew 7 for the measure you use it will be measured onto you, and they will regret even condemning

And those who believe that salvation can be lost, they are probably experiencing the same exact scenario of having salvation briefly and then being cast off forever, while they are just complacent or worse
 
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UnderGrace said:
You remind me of "Argueless"?

However I see he/she are no longer around >>>Hmmm.:unsure:

Well "Argueless" was on Ignore...the wall of text, out of context, always words of condemnation was hurting my eyes, I think I will do the same with you.
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I found out that its hard to have a proper debate with cor. He will keep insisting that the words he used meant something else, other than how a normal reader would interpret in plain reading. :)
 
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FollowHisSteps said:
What I notice is the same repeated statements, and meaningless mocking.
As the people of God grow in His love and grace, the mockers stay alone lost
in their slavery to sin. Sad, lost and alone, without hope, thinking they have
promises which do not apply to these evil doers and unbelievers.....
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Peter.....go look in the mirror......all that know you, know that your view = not much
 
NIV1984 1 Corinthians 2:11-16
For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment: “For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

Obviously those who have not the Holy Spirit cannot discern because God considers them as DEAD.

NIV1984 James 2:26
As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

NIV1984 Revelation 3:1
"...you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead..."
 
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