Not By Works

[theanointedwinner]

If sanctification is a process, by what process do we even start the process? If not a process,

Yup, lol.


[And I agree with what "theanointedwinner" just said [to do] about that, in Post #99,154: Hebrews 12:2 ]

Actually, the professor at my college that I indicated in my testimony taught me that. Credit to where it's due.

Credit ultimately to God

 

[theanointedwinner]

The following is a comparison between the bible and salvation losers......and make no mistake...this is exactly what they peddle and or how they butcher the word of God by their losable salvation....

Bible --> I will never leave thee or forsake thee
Salvation Losers ---->Jesus is a liar and will leave us and forsake us

Bible --->We are saved to the uttermost and kept by the power of God through faith
Salvation losers --->The power of God is weak and inept, we are not saved to the uttermost and GOD does not keep us

Bible -->Jesus begins, finishes and completes the work of faith in us
Salvation losers ---> WE must maintain our faith because JESUS does not finish and complete the work of faith in us

Bible --> He that believes on the SON is having everlasting/eternal life
Salvation losers --->He that believes and MAINTAINS his belief on the SON is having temporal life based upon what he does or does not do

Bible --> Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the deeds/works of the law
Salvation losers -->James out of context tells us we are justified by our works before God

Bible -->It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
Salvation losers --->It pleased God by works, church membership, baptism, pew jumping, speaking in tongues, back flipping down the isle, saying 57 hail Mary's, taking the Lord's supper, keeping the sacraments and a dozen other religiously zealous man made efforts to save them

Bible -->NOTHING can separate us from the love of GOD
Salvation losers -->Numerous things can separate us from the love of GOD

Bible--->We are in the Son's hand, the Father's hand and NO AN can remove us from that position
Salvation losers -->The above is false, we can remove ourselves because God is weak and inept

Bible -->We are sealed unto the day of redemption
Salvation losers-->The seal of God can be broken because God is weak and inept

Bible --->Where sin abounds, grace abounds the more
Salvation losers--> We qualify, quantify sin and God's grace only covers those small sins when we mess up and for sure we have never lost it, but eternal security believers lose it because they believe they can live any way they want and live like the devil

Bible --->He that believes on the Son is not condemned
Salvation losers --> Believers are condemned all the time and returned to being goats after becoming sheep

Bible --> I will lose nothing, but raise it up the last day
Salvation losers -->God loses people all the time because he is too weak to keep them saved

Bible--> We are born again from above by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED
Salvation losers --> We are not born of incorruptible seed, because that seed can be corrupted and one die lost after being born again

Bible --> The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable
Salvation losers -->God's free GIFT of salvation can be revoked because GOD will break ALL the above promises and send one to hell after being saved

ETC.............I dare to say that salvation losers are false.....and what they peddle is not of GOD and as blasphemous as it comes......the above is a SMALL sample of scriptural promises that MUST BE DENIED, REJECTED and or SWEPT UNDER THE TABLE to peddle a dime store salvation that cannot be found in the bible and or a dime store salvation that devalues the work, promises and ministry of CHRIST!!!!!!!

The above describes ALL that say salvation can be lost and or is maintained or kept by what we do or do not do........we have a new cake taker....

Salvation losers <-- God is anything but a loser, unless if the size of god is merely the size of a pencil eraser that will run out in less than a year, or a tiny action figure, too small to worship

Fyi: The "unless" part was sarcastic

 

[corazondeldei]

"For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not." (Romans 7:18)

Jesus: "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.” (John 8:34)

"Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him." (1 John 3:6)

"Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1 John 3:9)

Do you commit sin? Do you "practice" sin since you sin daily?

Your FLESH is a slave to sin and cannot change.

"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." (Romans 8:7)

What is sin? Transgression of the Law. Every time you commit a sin, you are guilty in the flesh of breaking every single one of God's Laws. (James 2:10)

Are we New Creatures? Yes. Are we to walk in the newness of that life? Yes. Are we to live a life pleasing to the Lord? Yes. But because we still have the "Old Man" we will continue to sin until the die we die and there is no stopping it.

"I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man (New Nature): But I see another law in my members, (Old Nature) warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members" (Romans 7:21-22)

Your flesh is a captive (slave) to sin. Deny it all you want, but if that were not true, you would be able one day to stop sinning entirely.

But you won't. because you can't.

Is this a good examrple of what a true OSAS CONFESSION and doctrine looks like?

NIV1984 Romans 10:9-13
That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you CONFESS and are saved. As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.” For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

I really beleve that no deceiver would ever teach obedience to God because if they do, they are not TRUE deceivers. lol😁

NIV1984 Luke 6:45
The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.

NIV1984 Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

Have a good one and God bless.

 

[UnderGrace]

I really beleve that no deceiver would ever teach obedience to God because if they do, they are not TRUE deceivers. lol😁

I was thinking that according to scripture no deceiver would ever teach "salvation is a gift apart from works" because if they did, there

might not be anyone left to deceive.

 

[theanointedwinner]

Salvation losers <-- God is anything but a loser, unless if the size of god is merely the size of a pencil eraser that will run out in less than a year, or a tiny action figure, too small to worship

Fyi: The "unless" part was sarcastic

Correction: satirical

 

[theanointedwinner]

I was thinking that according to scripture no deceiver would ever teach "salvation is a gift apart from works" because if they did, there

might not be anyone left to deceive. View attachment 197980

Proof by reducto as absurdum?

 

[corazondeldei]

I was thinking that according to scripture no deceiver would ever teach "salvation is a gift apart from works" because if they did, there

might not be anyone left to deceive. View attachment 197980

Wow! Am I hearing(reading) this from someone who claims to be saved and are always saved fella? If your FAITH is without works of obedience to God then your FAITH is dead, no life, useless and unproductive or unfruitful thus changing the grace of our God into a license for immorality. Do you not claim that it is God who works in you to will and to do of His good pleasure? Why separate FAITH from works of LOVE which is WALKING IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS commands? Do you take away the "LIFE part in the gospel which is to walk as Jesus did, the good works that God prepared in advance for us(those in the body of Christ) to do and to WALK on?

NIV1984 1 Corinthians 12:4-11
There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men. Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.

God bless.

 

[UnderGrace]

Wow! Am I hearing(reading) this from someone who claims to be saved and are always saved fella? If your FAITH is without works of obedience to God then your FAITH is dead, no life, useless and unproductive or unfruitful thus changing the grace of our God into a license for immorality. Do you not claim that it is God who works in you to will and to do of His good pleasure? Why separate FAITH from works of LOVE which is WALKING IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS commands? Do you take away the "LIFE part in the gospel which is to walk as Jesus did, the good works that God prepared in advance for us(those in the body of Christ) to do and to WALK on?

NIV1984 1 Corinthians 12:4-11
There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men. Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.

God bless.

One needs to be very careful stating that Grace is a license for immorality

People slandered Paul with the same objection.....

He was not very pleased with them, you know why? I can tell you why.

People who state that grace of God is a license to sin are in essence saying that a person can do bad and good will still come, this is perverted logic and comes from the heart of unbelief, and a desperate attempt to prove self-worthiness.

If God eliminates righteousness in every way as a basis for salvation one argues that it makes no difference how a person lives, but this is a perversion of truth....... to preach grace is not to sanction sin it is to settle one's trust in a Saviour!!!

Paul had stern words for those who preach against the Gospel of Grace............................

Romans 3:8, ESV: "And why not do evil that good may come?—as some people slanderously charge us with saying. Their condemnation is just." ...

Romans 3:8, NLT: "And some people even slander us by claiming that we say, 'The more we sin, the better it is!' Those who say such things deserve to be condemned."

 

[UnderGrace]

fella

not a fella btw...

 

[theanointedwinner]

According to Romans 7, awareness of law makes the flesh want to rebel more as that is the very nature of the flesh

at the same time, there are numerous Scripture like Romans 3:23, 1 John, and plenty found in the Gospel where the Pharisees were rebuked for self-righteousness

Scripture rules out sin focusing and self righteousness

Hence, by process of elimination, focus on righteousness but not self righteousness ...

Righteousness not of self ...

Romans 3:23 rules it down to one remaining source of righteousness ...

Christ-righteousness

Romans again, nothing we can do to earn it

To only thing we can receive that is not earned is either positive externality ... Well it boils down to gift Ephesians 2:8-9

Gift-righteousness
As the remaining logical conclusion

 

[Macabeus]

That would include everyone here because you pretty much do it to everyone. And you always do it when you're losing a debate - which is often.

A person with as little knowledge of the Bible as you have would think that. Why, you even think one can be a slave to sin and a slave to righteousness at the same time. I guess you never read "no one can serve two masters" did you.

 

[Macabeus]

That would include everyone here because you pretty much do it to everyone. And you always do it when you're losing a debate - which is often.

The only debating you do is the one described in the following verse.

Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

 

[Macabeus]

Then stop sinning.

Boy, you talk about me a lot when I'm not here. Am I in your head?

The quote was made in context of discussing your Gnostic dualistic heresy. Yes, I believe in two natures, but to say that we serve both at the same time, continuing to serve sin in the flesh and serving righteousness in the Spirit, is basically gnostic dualism, and an insipient form of it was warned against in the first epistle of John.

And I already know your next ill advised response. You will say that Paul says "I serve sin in my flesh and with the mind righteousness, because you will ignore the fact that in the very next chapter, he makes it clear that we need to choose one and we cannot be servants to both. But Bud doesnt know this.

 

[theanointedwinner]

I believe that

If the Bible never mentioned about the narrow gate, we would never know about it

No philosophy, no human reasoning can ever find out

And I have doubts that just the process of elimination alone from human beings can ever find the narrow gate

 

[Macabeus]

Sure we can walk in the Spirit. But as far as sinning goes: Yep - constantly. Daily, weekly, monthly, yearly. Either by thought, word, or deed.

And you know it.

You need to stop basing your theology on personal experience and base it on the Bible. The Bible says we are not slaves to sin.

Romans 6:6- Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Romans 6:14- For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 6:17- But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. (notice the tense of the verb in red)

Romans 6:20- For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. (notice the tense of the verb in red)

Romans 8:12-13-
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

 

[Macabeus]

Yet again, Paul certainly said he was in Romans 7. Now you be sure to let us all know the moment you've stopped sinning daily.

Oh, and stop talking about me when I'm not here!

(Which was your complaint in the other thread)

I am in the process of daily putting to death the deeds of the flesh, (Romans 8:13) because I know I am not a slave to sin, (Romans 6:14) that I have been redeemed from sin, (Romans 6:18) and I am a servant of Christ.

This is the biblical model The best advice I can give you is that you go buy a Bible and start reading it.

 

[Macabeus]

Sure we can walk in the Spirit. But as far as sinning goes: Yep - constantly. Daily, weekly, monthly, yearly. Either by thought, word, or deed.

And you know it.

I am in the process of daily putting to death the deeds of the flesh, (Romans 8:13) because I know I am no longer a slave to sin, (Romans 6:14) that I have been redeemed from sin, (Romans 6:18) and I am a servant of Christ.

 

[Macabeus]

Yet again, Paul certainly said he was in Romans 7. Now you be sure to let us all know the moment you've stopped sinning daily.

Oh, and stop talking about me when I'm not here!

(Which was your complaint in the other thread)

I am in the process of daily putting to death the deeds of the flesh, (Romans 8:13) because I know I am not a slave to sin, (Romans 6:14) that I have been redeemed from sin, (Romans 6:18) and I am a servant of Christ.

 

[Macabeus]

You want me to comment on every single word you write as if they're all theological gems, when in fact it's usually just the same drivel you've posted a hundred times before that's been addressed a thousand times before.

You yourself don't answer every single line of posts. So get over yourself.

The Bible is drivel? I was talking about the way you handle the Bible.

Go back and read the post you are replying to again.

 

[Macabeus]

Then stop sinning.

I am in the process of daily putting to death the deeds of the flesh, (Romans 8:13) because I know I am not a slave to sin, (Romans 6:14) that I have been redeemed from sin, (Romans 6:18) and I am a servant of Christ.