This is not about pre- trib, post -trib no trib but I would like very much if one or more can answer this question.
According to the writings of Paul..... absent from the body is presence with the Lord.......we are not subject to wrath..... In a twinkling of a eye we will be changed
Jesus said that where he goes we may be with him also. ......he also said....he in the beginning and the end.
We know and hope that when we pass we shall enter glory with our Lord. We shall see him face to face praise God. Our salvation is secured in Christ Jesus. A salvation that is given as a gift from God not earned. We take comfort in knowing this and rest in his promise to us.
Now there's been many debates on end time in this forum. Some saints say they will not suffer the tribulations but be caught up. Some say they will go through the trib and be rescued. Some say there is no trib that it's a false doctrine.
We all agree (or at least we should be in agreement) that Jesus took our punishment upon himself at Calvary for our sins known and unknown.
That because of Jesus we are sanctified and justified by his love and blood. That we are complete in Christ.
So my question to you is if you believe that we must suffer the wrath of God which is poured upon a wicked and unbelieving people then what changed? Is the promise to Abraham from the Lord to spare the just null and void to the gentiles? Was Enoch a Jew? As Noah was given grace by the Lord is it a different grace we are given? Did Noah and his family escape because of the ark or because they listened to the Lord's direction.
If we are not spared that which is stored up for the wicked then what's changed???
God has to end this sin business on earth one day, so He is giving the world 7 years to have their way, and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom in Revelation 13, and when they take the mark of the beast then repentance, and salvation, are no longer available to the world, and God will put them down.
The mark of the beast has to do with technology, a GPS tracking device linked to satellite for humans.
The wrath of God is not in the 7 years period, for repentance, and salvation, are still available to the world for the first three and one half years, so God has not given up on the world yet, and the seals, and trumpets, is not the wrath of God.
After the beast addresses the world he has power to continue for three and one half years, which can only come from God, and has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues.
So how can the wrath of God be in the 7 years period if the world still can be saved during the first three and one half years, and the beast has power from God to rule over the world for the last three and one half years.
The wrath of God does not happen until after the 7 years period.
And the tribulation is for the saints, not the world, and occurs at the last half.
There is only 2 resurrections, one of the saints, and one of the world 1000 years later.
There is no pre-7 years resurrection because repentance, and salvation, are still available for the first half, so the saints will remain on earth to represent the truth while they still have a chance to be saved.
And the last half the beast makes war against the saints, and prevails against them, and they are given in to his hands for three and one half years, and when he scatters their power them all things are finished.
Which then comes the end when the Son shall have delivered up the kingdom to the Father.
Paul said that the saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until the man of sin claims to be God in the middle of the 7 years period, and that is because the resurrection will not happen until the world takes the mark of the beast, and repentance, and salvation, is not available to them anymore.
Also Jesus said anyone that does not get caught up in the first resurrection has to go to the second resurrection, and the hypocrites will not be resurrected, and once Jesus shuts the door then they lost the chance to be saved.
Which means there would be no Gentile that can be saved after the resurrection happens, so of it is pre-7 years resurrection then the world would have no chance to be saved after that, but they can still be saved during the first three and one half years.
Also when the beast scatters the power of the holy people then all things are finished, and then comes the end when the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to the Father, when He has put down all rule, authority, and power, the operational government, and rulership of people over other people.
So as soon as the resurrection happens God is right on them pronto to put them down, their government, and rulership, no playing around, and His wrath upon them that will not last that long, before He fights the world at the battle of Armageddon.
But if the resurrection happens pre-7 years period God is not right on them, but they still continue for 7 years, and the beast has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues.
When the resurrection happens God is right on them pronto, for there is no need to play around with them, for after the resurrection nobody can be saved, but have to go to the second resurrection, concerning the Gentiles.
Why would the wrath of God be for a whole 7 years, for He is not a sadist, and is not like a child with a magnifying glass burning a bug by the rays of the sun, for God does not play around when He judges them, and puts them down.
For did He play with Sodom and Gomorrah, but He went against them big time, and got it over quick.
Will Jesus play around after the 7 years period is over, and He fights the world, but He will put them down quick.
God is not going to put wrath upon them for 7 years, and once the resurrection happens why would God allow them to continue on earth, and having their way for it does no good, and no purpose for it.
Once the resurrection happens Jesus will right away put them down, and not play around with them, which is why the resurrection is after the 7 years period, for God is allowing them 7 years to have their way, which the devil can influence the wicked more than he could in the past which is why they are deceived, a strong delusion they cannot snap out of for they did not love the truth.
The wrath of God is not in the 7 years period, and the resurrection is not before the 7 years period.
Also when the nations come together and say Peace and safety that is when the 7 years period begins, but Paul said the saints will be on earth when it starts, and they will not be deceived by it knowing it is not of God, and the new age movement is not truth, and reality, as they try to convince the world that the correct interpretation of the Bible is based on the occult, and evolution, and Jesus is a good teacher, and an ascended master, but not Lord and Savior, and honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power.
Which when the 7 years period starts it will be the time that the world will want to endure what has been taught about the Bible for thousands of years, but want to hear it according to the new age movement, their lusts, power through nature.
But the Bible says preach the word in season, and out of season, for the time will come they will not want to hear the truth, but when that happens the 7 years period has started, so the saints would have to be on earth to still preach the truth, and Paul is directing it to the saints that are not yet in the 7 years period, that when they get to that time keep on preaching, and preach hard to get through to them, for salvation is still available to the world during the first three and one half years.
And also what does change with us when we are caught up in the twinkling of an eye is receiving our glorified body.
And those that died in the Lord, are with Him, for there is no need for them to visit the underworld like the Old Testament saints, for they are saved.
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