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Peter was not instantly saved; converted.
But he turned, and said to the Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Matt 16:23
In these next verses the LORD tells Peter he is not converted and that HE prays that Peter's faith fails him not.
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me. Luke 22:31-34
GOD has granted all through HIS Grace the same opportunity; the measure of Faith.
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
So it is up to us through GOD's strength.
Peter apparently made it; will we?
But he turned, and said to the Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Matt 16:23
In these next verses the LORD tells Peter he is not converted and that HE prays that Peter's faith fails him not.
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me. Luke 22:31-34
GOD has granted all through HIS Grace the same opportunity; the measure of Faith.
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
So it is up to us through GOD's strength.
Peter apparently made it; will we?
It does me no good to address these guys.......they get banned, come back, break the rules, go to seed, cause division and EG is right.....this thread has a good purpose, to stand against false dogmas that do not save.....and I will no longer engage the foolishness that causes division....I will engage with bible......rank and file the lost are pouring into hell and division is being cause over the simple truth that we are compared to vines, trees, and wheat when it comes to bearing fruit...ALL take growth and maturity.... I will no longer engage the foolishness of HOW LONG it takes..........
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Yeah.....I do not believe that...HE was saved, immersed and called out by JESUS and they were identified as the church twice in the present tense......I do agree it took a little over 3 plus years for him to be fully MATURED and converted
The same is true with MANY........they trust the word, are saved and then it MAY take a period of time before they are fully transformed and converted in their walk and talk for the LORD........it all depends on the level of teaching they get, how they incorporate the truth etc......
The same is true with MANY........they trust the word, are saved and then it MAY take a period of time before they are fully transformed and converted in their walk and talk for the LORD........it all depends on the level of teaching they get, how they incorporate the truth etc......
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The examples you have above, do you consider them as bearing fruit?
I have always considered bearing fruit to be the fruit of the Holy Spirit.
Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
The above follows
Galatians 5:16-21
Walking in the Spirit
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
So to me Paul is bringing a contrast of the works of the flesh, which as belivers walking in the Spirit will manifest fruit, and as it increases the works of the flesh decrease.
So that has always been focus concerning by bearing fruit.
I'm not negating telling people about Jesus in any way shape or form.
But for me if we walk the walk with Holy Spirit then people will see this.
There is nothing worse than telling people about Jesus and yet walk according to the flesh with no regards to actually bearing fruit.
Now to me that is greasy grace.
I have always considered bearing fruit to be the fruit of the Holy Spirit.
Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
The above follows
Galatians 5:16-21
Walking in the Spirit
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
So to me Paul is bringing a contrast of the works of the flesh, which as belivers walking in the Spirit will manifest fruit, and as it increases the works of the flesh decrease.
So that has always been focus concerning by bearing fruit.
I'm not negating telling people about Jesus in any way shape or form.
But for me if we walk the walk with Holy Spirit then people will see this.
There is nothing worse than telling people about Jesus and yet walk according to the flesh with no regards to actually bearing fruit.
Now to me that is greasy grace.
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