Not By Works

[Macabeus]

Can you expand on this for me please?
Expand on "We are washed, cleansed, pure and holy"

Ta

1 John 1:7

and

2 Corinthians 7:1

 

[Macabeus]

SO what....that proves nothing concerning the drivel and blather you continue to whine about

See how offensive DC is when he posts? This is why I have been calling him and others out.

You conflated bearing fruit with bearing fruit to perfection. (post 98,163) The verse I used in reply shows that a Christian is in the process of bearing fruit while his fruit is being perfected

 

[Macabeus]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH wow man.......another cake taker

Did you apologize to Argueless for you false accusation of him?

 

[BillG]

1 John 1:7

and

2 Corinthians 7:1

1 John 1:7
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

2 Corinthians 7:1
1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Neither verse says "cleansed"

 

[Macabeus]

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We have a happy troll [/QUOTE]

1 John 1:7
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

2 Corinthians 7:1
1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Neither verse says "cleansed"

No, they say we are continually being cleansed.

and there's this

Acts 11:9- But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

and Peter took these words to mean...

Acts 10:28- ...but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

 

[Macabeus]

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So what....love is a process of growth and maturity.....regardless of your inability to grasp that truth.........
LET the LOVE of GOD be PERFECTED IN YOU <-----MATURED PAL

See right here you conflated bearing fruit with perfection of fruit.

We love as we grow to perfection of love.

In other words, we are bearing fruit (love) while we are growing to maturity.

That is why Jesus said, everyone who BEARS FRUIT is pruned by the Father to BEAR MORE FRUIT.

 

[Macabeus]

No, they say we are continually being cleansed.

and there's this

Acts 11:9- But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

and Peter took these words to mean...

Acts 10:28- ...but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. [/QUOTE]

Sorry, Bill, the troll part was added accidentally. I was not calling you a troll. I was going to reply to U.G, because they did the same thing to me on two of my posts.

 

[Macabeus]

[Sorry Bill, on post 8,425, the troll part was on there because I was first going to reply to UG. I was not calling you a troll.

 

[Macabeus]

1 John 1:7
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

2 Corinthians 7:1
1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Neither verse says "cleansed"

No, they say we are continually being cleansed.

and there's this

Acts 11:9- But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

and Peter took these words to mean...

Acts 10:28- ...but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. [/QUOTE]

 

[BillG]

No, they say we are continually being cleansed.

and there's this

Acts 11:9- But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

and Peter took these words to mean...

Acts 10:28- ...but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Sorry, Bill, the troll part was added accidentally. I was not calling you a troll. I was going to reply to U.G, because they did the same thing to me on two of my posts. [/QUOTE]
Don't worry mate, I know you wasn't.

Mind you if I was a troll I hope I would be a happy one

 

[Macabeus]

1 John 1:7
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

2 Corinthians 7:1
1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Neither verse says "cleansed"

Also in Acts 15:9, the word "purify" has the same meaning as cleanse. Same Greek word, katharizo.

Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

 

[BillG]

Also in Acts 15:9, the word "purify" has the same meaning as cleanse. Same Greek word, katharizo.

Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

What I was trying to get at is if the quote was talking in completed past tense.
So if we have been cleansed it's a past completed action and not a continuous action based on what we do or do not do.

 

[Macabeus]

What I was trying to get at is if the quote was talking in completed past tense.
So if we have been cleansed it's a past completed action and not a continuous action based on what we do or do not do.

I think it's both. Acts 15:9 makes it a past action and 1 John 1:7 and 1 John 1:9 make it a continuous action.

One is cleansing for salvation. The other is continual cleansing for fellowship

Just like we were forgiven once for all for salvation, but 1 John 1:9 speaks of continual cleansing for forgiveness, not for forgiveness unto salvation, which has already been accomplished, but forgiveness in the sense of keeping our garments clean

John 13:10- 10 Jesus said to him, “He who is bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean..

 

[Macabeus]

you have refuted nothing- you said " new Christian- able to bear fruit'

so, let's think- new Christian - bearing fruit. you used the word " able ". so, by doing this, you very carefully say that a new believer is supposed to be bearing fruit.

or, in other words, if the answer is " yes, a new believer is able to bear fruit" your next comment would be, " well, if they are able , then why are they not?".

so, use the plausible denial tactic all you want, me and some others see right through it.

Anyone who has a elementary knowledge of grammar knows that there is a difference between "I am able to bear fruit" and "I am bearing fruit"

So you and several others do not have an elementary knowledge of grammar or you are guilty of double think

I think you are educated, so I assume the latter, not the former

 

[BillG]

I think it's both. Acts 15:9 makes it a past action and 1 John 1:7 and 1 John 1:9 make it a continuous action.

One is cleansing for salvation. The other is continual cleansing for fellowship

Just like we were forgiven once for all for salvation, but 1 John 1:9 speaks of continual cleansing for forgiveness, not for forgiveness unto salvation, which has already been accomplished, but forgiveness in the sense of keeping our garments clean

John 13:10- 10 Jesus said to him, “He who is bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean..

That's my understanding as well.

 

[Macabeus]

That's my understanding as well.

You are a breath of fresh air. God bless.

 

[BillG]

You are a breath of fresh air. God bless.

That's because I just brushed my teeth.

 

[lightbearer]

We never achieve sinless perfection in our walk in this life, .

Not that I have or haven't. But where is that verse.

 

[Macabeus]

Not that I have or haven't. But where is that verse.

1 John 1:7-8

all present tense verbs.

if we are walking (Present) in the Light as He is in the light, we have (present) fellowship with each other and the blood of Jesus Christ, His Son cleanses us (present) us from all sin. If we say (present) we have (present) no sin, we lie (present) and the truth is (present tense) not in us

 

[Macabeus]

lightbearer said:

Not that I have or haven't. But where is that verse.

1 John 1:7-8

all present tense verbs.

if we are walking (Present) in the Light as He is in the light, we have (present) fellowship with each other and the blood of Jesus Christ, His Son cleanses us (present) us from all sin. If we say (present) we have (present) no sin, we lie (present) and the truth is (present tense) not in us

Also...

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Purifieth is a present tense verb, meaning it is an ongoing process.