Not By Works
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Well a false gospel is a false gospel, and there are many that argue we are saved or kept by work.
And then you said "christians do not perservere, they are preserved..." which is a false dichotomy. It is not Christians are either preserved or perservere, it is Christians BOTH are preserved AND perservere.
My contention is that most if not all of the people who are being accused of trying to save themselves or stay saved by works are being misrepresented, as I was.
Allow me to get you up to speed...
Post 79036-Argueless- Are Ananias and Saphira saved or unsaved? Does scriptures say that no one will wander or turn away from the FAITH? If anyone wander or turn away from the FAITH which you CLAIM can ALONE save and DENY God, would that person still be saved?
Post 79,037-DC reply- What Jesus do you follow....not the one of the bible...Because the one of the bible starts, finishes and completes the work of faith in those that believe and then if they do not abide faithful he remains faithful to his promise to start, finish and complete the work....
Post 97,292- Argueless Go and know for yourself what dcon's stance is re: LYING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT... (in other words REGARDING the Holy Spirit, referring to post 79'037)
97,293 Dcon-Post 97,293- I have reported this post for accusing me of LYING to the Holy SPIRIT......which I have NOT done...
The last post was a misrepresentation of Argueless. Argueless NEVER said DC was lying to the Spirit. He was speaking of his stance on the Holy Spirit. Take not of the red letter words.
https://christianchat.com/search/126331/?q=lying+to+the+spirit&c[users]=argueless&o=date
Post 79036-Argueless- Are Ananias and Saphira saved or unsaved? Does scriptures say that no one will wander or turn away from the FAITH? If anyone wander or turn away from the FAITH which you CLAIM can ALONE save and DENY God, would that person still be saved?
Post 79,037-DC reply- What Jesus do you follow....not the one of the bible...Because the one of the bible starts, finishes and completes the work of faith in those that believe and then if they do not abide faithful he remains faithful to his promise to start, finish and complete the work....
Post 97,292- Argueless Go and know for yourself what dcon's stance is re: LYING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT... (in other words REGARDING the Holy Spirit, referring to post 79'037)
97,293 Dcon-Post 97,293- I have reported this post for accusing me of LYING to the Holy SPIRIT......which I have NOT done...
The last post was a misrepresentation of Argueless. Argueless NEVER said DC was lying to the Spirit. He was speaking of his stance on the Holy Spirit. Take not of the red letter words.
https://christianchat.com/search/126331/?q=lying+to+the+spirit&c[users]=argueless&o=date
Was Simon the sorcerer in Acts 8 saved too?
Acts 8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Act 8:21
Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
Act 8:22
Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
Were all of Simon's sins, past, present, future forgiven when he believed? Why then did Peter say Pray to God if perhaps your thought may be forgiven you?
Acts 8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
Were all of Simon's sins, past, present, future forgiven when he believed? Why then did Peter say Pray to God if perhaps your thought may be forgiven you?
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The blind leading the blind
I am amazed at the people who will do and act certain ways. Then blaim everyone else and judge them for acting that way, while denying they are doing the very thing they are accusing others of.
Peter loves to blame shift and refuses to fess up when he sins
Mac is doing nothing but trying to prove a dude sinned, (remove the spec) out of DC’s eye/ when he refuses to even acknowledge the LOG in his own eye
One who looks at that post and just reading it could easily THINK arguless was doing what DC claimed he was (if you looked at the first part of that post) So I can see (I am sure many can) why DC would think the way he does.. (why he even responds to arguless anymore is baffling to me anyway, but so be it)
Here is what I want to know. If DC repented? (I thought he did) would it change anything? Would arguless stop his nonsense (history says no)? Would MAC stop his nonsense (Again, History says no) is peter going to start admitting all his sins, and stop blame shifting and saying it is our fault?
Of course not
So why are people continuing to give these three an audience? Let them ramble on.. WHO CARES! It is making US look bad, and is tearing this op to no end. If people have not noticed very few even come in anymore. And I would day THE FIGHTS between these three people and others is why..
LET IT GO!! PLEASE..or I just may have to leave this thread permanently Because it is getting on MY nerves!
I am amazed at the people who will do and act certain ways. Then blaim everyone else and judge them for acting that way, while denying they are doing the very thing they are accusing others of.
Peter loves to blame shift and refuses to fess up when he sins
Mac is doing nothing but trying to prove a dude sinned, (remove the spec) out of DC’s eye/ when he refuses to even acknowledge the LOG in his own eye
One who looks at that post and just reading it could easily THINK arguless was doing what DC claimed he was (if you looked at the first part of that post) So I can see (I am sure many can) why DC would think the way he does.. (why he even responds to arguless anymore is baffling to me anyway, but so be it)
Here is what I want to know. If DC repented? (I thought he did) would it change anything? Would arguless stop his nonsense (history says no)? Would MAC stop his nonsense (Again, History says no) is peter going to start admitting all his sins, and stop blame shifting and saying it is our fault?
Of course not
So why are people continuing to give these three an audience? Let them ramble on.. WHO CARES! It is making US look bad, and is tearing this op to no end. If people have not noticed very few even come in anymore. And I would day THE FIGHTS between these three people and others is why..
LET IT GO!! PLEASE..or I just may have to leave this thread permanently Because it is getting on MY nerves!
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Was Simon the sorcerer in Acts 8 saved too?
Acts 8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Act 8:21
Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
Act 8:22
Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
Were all of Simon's sins, past, present, future forgiven when he believed? Why then did Peter say Pray to God if perhaps your thought may be forgiven you?
Acts 8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
Were all of Simon's sins, past, present, future forgiven when he believed? Why then did Peter say Pray to God if perhaps your thought may be forgiven you?
Yes he believed, that is right causes some problems with the doctrine of the perfect believer doesn't it?
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Yes it always goes nowhere.
All Christians must preserve the Gospel, there is no salvation or life outside of it.
If they come against the Gospel there is a problem, and we need to stand up, we are defending the very work of Jesus.
You are right, funny how it is the same pattern of behaviour, just like the "tongues" thread.
All Christians must preserve the Gospel, there is no salvation or life outside of it.
If they come against the Gospel there is a problem, and we need to stand up, we are defending the very work of Jesus.
You are right, funny how it is the same pattern of behaviour, just like the "tongues" thread.
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