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FollowHisSteps · Apr 16, 2019

This is not the understanding I was expecting. The woman who washed Jesus's feet loved Him and
this was the overflow of her heart. The whole comparison is about appreciation of a gift. Jesus is
saying the gift is the same, but the appreciation varies. The key issue was faith, the woman had
faith in Jesus for the forgiveness of her sins.

So my friend, Melach, you missunderstand a simple story told after the cross about what love of
Jesus means to our hearts. It is no different today as it was then, God bless you

dcontroversal · Apr 16, 2019

tourist said:

Yes indeed with Qantas gold class and One World Sapphire........HAHAHHA 429,000 miles last few years HAH

dcontroversal · Apr 16, 2019

tourist said:

Yeah, she was at times brash and insensitive. I can get that way too at times to a certain degree. She could certainly go off on a hurtful tangent but perhaps the reason for that was 'cause she didn't have her Snicker's bar that day. I am current trending towards Milky Way bars myself and perhaps, therein lies the underlying problem with me as I could easily become a junk-food junkie to go along with my nicotine addiction. I thank God that I decided to totally refrain from alcohol in 1992 or I would probably be an alcoholic today. I really need to quit smoking but for me that's my Snicker's bar. Kind of sad really.

Glad I never smoked and not a big drinker.....

dcontroversal · Apr 16, 2019

dcontroversal said:

This is a personal testimony.....When I moved to get my life right, was studying the bible about 60 hours a week, going to seminary to catch UP on my bible knowledge from the wasted years......I was driving back to Little Rock, Arkansas from Pine Bluff one night and was scanning the radio and the song came on....Close My Eyes Forever.....and I will never forget the sinking gut feeling of sadness that overcame me thinking about the LOST and how they will have their eyes shut forever in the mists and darkness forever.....I knew then I had to make a stand for the LORD and witness to as many people as I could......the end is near and the lost will be in darkness forever....let your heart break for these people and step up to the plate and let the chips fall where they may fall!!!!!

I see some whine baby put a negative face on the above post....tells me it is someone just being an idiot............

UnderGrace · Apr 16, 2019

Melach said:

Salvation has always been the same.

UnderGrace · Apr 16, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Another troll.....this one does not know how to spell apparently..

SacreligiousProttyMouth

dcontroversal · Apr 16, 2019

UnderGrace said:

Constantly targeting me in every thread I post in......one of the banned ones I bet......vindictive and being an idiot......no wonder they are gone

UnderGrace · Apr 16, 2019

dcontroversal said:

I used to get happy faces now I have gone to angry ........... was it something I said

LOL

dcontroversal · Apr 16, 2019

UnderGrace said:

Like I said....when I can get a negative face on that particular post = vindictive and causing issues.......tells me it was a banned member back with a vengence....

Magenta · Apr 16, 2019

FollowHisSteps · Apr 17, 2019

32 "And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved"
Joel 2

The verse above is interesting. This is a prophesy about a time of blessing
and people responding to God. And in this time of blessing just calling out
to the Lord will be a declaration of faith and action.

You could take this verse to mean by just praying you are saved.
But people know in reality, some call out, but it needs meaning and context
or it is just a joke. And many sincere people have gone up at a mission outreach,
and then never return.

This clearly demonstrates knowing God is a whole life approach. You just have to
read the first commandment to understand this.

27 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and
with all your strength and with all your mind
Luke 10

Now which part of oneself does one not love God?
So being saved is about a walk with God, and growth in God, and a discovery of
oneself as you grow in faith and love because God is doing a good work within you.

Now some suppose this God, loves sinners who give a small amount of their time and
heart to Him, and then despise Him and walk away going back to the world, yet He will
restore them against their will and desire. This is pure delusion.

FollowHisSteps · Apr 17, 2019

ocd legalism

23 everything that does not come from faith is sin
rom 14

48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect
matt 5

17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sin
James 4

It is possible to end up seeing good things everywhere and condemn oneself
for not doing them. Equally perfection can go into having a house spotless, or
laying things out in a particular way else that is sin. And in faith, if anything is
outside faith, so television, newspapers, trains, planes etc they are sin.

People use the above ideas to create a self condemning view of Gods will and
purposes, so God intends us to stay in obvious resolvable sin, because all sin
is actually forgiven and belief is the only issue in eternity.

This is free grace strength and its greatest flaw. Sin as described in scripture kills
us, let alone awaits Gods judgement, and as followers of Jesus we avoid it and
do good. We are in Christ and walking in the Spirit slaves to righteousness, not
sin.

18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
rom 6

dcontroversal · Apr 17, 2019

Magenta said:

AMEN Magenta.......and eternally at that..........he that believes on the SON is having everlasting life.....

dcontroversal · Apr 17, 2019

FollowHisSteps said:

MAN.....you are the walking, talking, bloviator of delusion...........especially the last part..........it really proves that you do not know what you are talking about....

a. It is not that we loved him, but that he loved us and gave himself for us
b. HE that is faithful over a FEW things shall be made ruler over MANY

You really do not understand much PETER.............nothing but psycho babel......

dcontroversal · Apr 17, 2019

ANYONE done enough good works to gain or keep salvation today?

NOPE....never have, never will.......Jesus only saves by faith.....works do not help one get or remain saved.......

In the grace we are, having been saved by faith, and that not of yourselves....IT IS THE GIFT of GOD ad not of works lest any man should BOAST.........

The workers for, Cainologists, religionists, Pharisees and salvation losers will try to boast one day....

LORD, LORD, have we not done many wonderful works in YOUR NAME, HAVE we not cast out demons in YOUR NAME, HAVE we not prophesied in YOUR NAME..........blah, blah, blah....

They obviously believed in faith plus for Salvation.....peddled by most so called churches in some form or fashion......

NO DICE and cast away......

FAITH alone is what saves a man..embellish it = false gospel with NO POWER!!!!!!!

PennEd · Apr 17, 2019

Rosemaryx said:

This is about as good an explanation as I have ever seen explaining Dispensationalism. I don't disagree with a single point made here from Gotquestions:

What is dispensationalism and is it biblical?

Question: "What is dispensationalism and is it biblical?"

Answer: A dispensation is a way of ordering things—an administration, a system, or a management. In theology, a dispensation is the divine administration of a period of time; each dispensation is a divinely appointed age. Dispensationalism is a theological system that recognizes these ages ordained by God to order the affairs of the world. Dispensationalism has two primary distinctives: 1) a consistently literal interpretation of Scripture, especially Bible prophecy, and 2) a view of the uniqueness of Israel as separate from the Church in God’s program. Classical dispensationalism identifies seven dispensations in God’s plan for humanity.

Dispensationalists hold to a literal interpretation of the Bible as the best hermeneutic. The literal interpretation gives each word the meaning it would commonly have in everyday usage. Allowances are made for symbols, figures of speech, and types, of course. It is understood that even symbols and figurative sayings have literal meanings behind them. So, for example, when the Bible speaks of “a thousand years” in Revelation 20, dispensationalists interpret it as a literal period of 1,000 years (the dispensation of the Kingdom), since there is no compelling reason to interpret it otherwise.

There are at least two reasons why literalism is the best way to view Scripture. First, philosophically, the purpose of language itself requires that we interpret words literally. Language was given by God for the purpose of being able to communicate. Words are vessels of meaning. The second reason is biblical. Every prophecy about Jesus Christ in the Old Testament was fulfilled literally. Jesus’ birth, ministry, death, and resurrection all occurred exactly as the Old Testament predicted. The prophecies were literal. There is no non-literal fulfillment of messianic prophecies in the New Testament. This argues strongly for the literal method. If a literal interpretation is not used in studying the Scriptures, there is no objective standard by which to understand the Bible. Each person would be able to interpret the Bible as he saw fit. Biblical interpretation would devolve into “what this passage says to me” instead of “the Bible says.” Sadly, this is already the case in much of what is called Bible study today.

Dispensational theology teaches that there are two distinct peoples of God: Israel and the Church. Dispensationalists believe that salvation has always been by grace through faith alone—in God in the Old Testament and specifically in God the Son in the New Testament. Dispensationalists hold that the Church has not replaced Israel in God’s program and that the Old Testament promises to Israel have not been transferred to the Church. Dispensationalism teaches that the promises God made to Israel in the Old Testament (for land, many descendants, and blessings) will be ultimately fulfilled in the 1000-year period spoken of in Revelation 20. Dispensationalists believe that, just as God is in this age focusing His attention on the Church, He will again in the future focus His attention on Israel (see Romans 9–11 and Daniel 9:24).

Dispensationalists understand the Bible to be organized into seven dispensations: Innocence (Genesis 1:1—3:7), Conscience (Genesis 3:8—8:22), Human Government (Genesis 9:1—11:32), Promise (Genesis 12:1—Exodus 19:25), Law (Exodus 20:1—Acts 2:4), Grace (Acts 2:4—Revelation 20:3), and the Millennial Kingdom (Revelation 20:4–6). Again, these dispensations are not paths to salvation, but manners in which God relates to man. Each dispensation includes a recognizable pattern of how God worked with people living in the dispensation. That pattern is 1) a responsibility, 2) a failure, 3) a judgment, and 4) grace to move on.

Dispensationalism, as a system, results in a premillennial interpretation of Christ’s second coming and usually a pretribulational interpretation of the rapture. To summarize, dispensationalism is a theological system that emphasizes the literal interpretation of Bible prophecy, recognizes a distinction between Israel and the Church, and organizes the Bible into different dispensations or administrations.

eternally-gratefull · Apr 17, 2019

PennEd said:

This is about as good an explanation as I have ever seen explaining Dispensationalism. I don't disagree with a single point made here from Gotquestions:

What is dispensationalism and is it biblical?

Question: "What is dispensationalism and is it biblical?"

Answer: A dispensation is a way of ordering things—an administration, a system, or a management. In theology, a dispensation is the divine administration of a period of time; each dispensation is a divinely appointed age. Dispensationalism is a theological system that recognizes these ages ordained by God to order the affairs of the world. Dispensationalism has two primary distinctives: 1) a consistently literal interpretation of Scripture, especially Bible prophecy, and 2) a view of the uniqueness of Israel as separate from the Church in God’s program. Classical dispensationalism identifies seven dispensations in God’s plan for humanity.

Dispensationalists hold to a literal interpretation of the Bible as the best hermeneutic. The literal interpretation gives each word the meaning it would commonly have in everyday usage. Allowances are made for symbols, figures of speech, and types, of course. It is understood that even symbols and figurative sayings have literal meanings behind them. So, for example, when the Bible speaks of “a thousand years” in Revelation 20, dispensationalists interpret it as a literal period of 1,000 years (the dispensation of the Kingdom), since there is no compelling reason to interpret it otherwise.

There are at least two reasons why literalism is the best way to view Scripture. First, philosophically, the purpose of language itself requires that we interpret words literally. Language was given by God for the purpose of being able to communicate. Words are vessels of meaning. The second reason is biblical. Every prophecy about Jesus Christ in the Old Testament was fulfilled literally. Jesus’ birth, ministry, death, and resurrection all occurred exactly as the Old Testament predicted. The prophecies were literal. There is no non-literal fulfillment of messianic prophecies in the New Testament. This argues strongly for the literal method. If a literal interpretation is not used in studying the Scriptures, there is no objective standard by which to understand the Bible. Each person would be able to interpret the Bible as he saw fit. Biblical interpretation would devolve into “what this passage says to me” instead of “the Bible says.” Sadly, this is already the case in much of what is called Bible study today.

Dispensational theology teaches that there are two distinct peoples of God: Israel and the Church. Dispensationalists believe that salvation has always been by grace through faith alone—in God in the Old Testament and specifically in God the Son in the New Testament. Dispensationalists hold that the Church has not replaced Israel in God’s program and that the Old Testament promises to Israel have not been transferred to the Church. Dispensationalism teaches that the promises God made to Israel in the Old Testament (for land, many descendants, and blessings) will be ultimately fulfilled in the 1000-year period spoken of in Revelation 20. Dispensationalists believe that, just as God is in this age focusing His attention on the Church, He will again in the future focus His attention on Israel (see Romans 9–11 and Daniel 9:24).

Dispensationalists understand the Bible to be organized into seven dispensations: Innocence (Genesis 1:1—3:7), Conscience (Genesis 3:8—8:22), Human Government (Genesis 9:1—11:32), Promise (Genesis 12:1—Exodus 19:25), Law (Exodus 20:1—Acts 2:4), Grace (Acts 2:4—Revelation 20:3), and the Millennial Kingdom (Revelation 20:4–6). Again, these dispensations are not paths to salvation, but manners in which God relates to man. Each dispensation includes a recognizable pattern of how God worked with people living in the dispensation. That pattern is 1) a responsibility, 2) a failure, 3) a judgment, and 4) grace to move on.

Dispensationalism, as a system, results in a premillennial interpretation of Christ’s second coming and usually a pretribulational interpretation of the rapture. To summarize, dispensationalism is a theological system that emphasizes the literal interpretation of Bible prophecy, recognizes a distinction between Israel and the Church, and organizes the Bible into different dispensations or administrations.

Remembering also there are offshoots of this thinking, And that NOT all who claim to be dispensational believe everything this says. (IE, Some do believe it had salvational significants)

Rosemaryx · Apr 17, 2019

PennEd said:

This is about as good an explanation as I have ever seen explaining Dispensationalism. I don't disagree with a single point made here from Gotquestions:

What is dispensationalism and is it biblical?

Question: "What is dispensationalism and is it biblical?"

Answer: A dispensation is a way of ordering things—an administration, a system, or a management. In theology, a dispensation is the divine administration of a period of time; each dispensation is a divinely appointed age. Dispensationalism is a theological system that recognizes these ages ordained by God to order the affairs of the world. Dispensationalism has two primary distinctives: 1) a consistently literal interpretation of Scripture, especially Bible prophecy, and 2) a view of the uniqueness of Israel as separate from the Church in God’s program. Classical dispensationalism identifies seven dispensations in God’s plan for humanity.

Dispensationalists hold to a literal interpretation of the Bible as the best hermeneutic. The literal interpretation gives each word the meaning it would commonly have in everyday usage. Allowances are made for symbols, figures of speech, and types, of course. It is understood that even symbols and figurative sayings have literal meanings behind them. So, for example, when the Bible speaks of “a thousand years” in Revelation 20, dispensationalists interpret it as a literal period of 1,000 years (the dispensation of the Kingdom), since there is no compelling reason to interpret it otherwise.

There are at least two reasons why literalism is the best way to view Scripture. First, philosophically, the purpose of language itself requires that we interpret words literally. Language was given by God for the purpose of being able to communicate. Words are vessels of meaning. The second reason is biblical. Every prophecy about Jesus Christ in the Old Testament was fulfilled literally. Jesus’ birth, ministry, death, and resurrection all occurred exactly as the Old Testament predicted. The prophecies were literal. There is no non-literal fulfillment of messianic prophecies in the New Testament. This argues strongly for the literal method. If a literal interpretation is not used in studying the Scriptures, there is no objective standard by which to understand the Bible. Each person would be able to interpret the Bible as he saw fit. Biblical interpretation would devolve into “what this passage says to me” instead of “the Bible says.” Sadly, this is already the case in much of what is called Bible study today.

Dispensational theology teaches that there are two distinct peoples of God: Israel and the Church. Dispensationalists believe that salvation has always been by grace through faith alone—in God in the Old Testament and specifically in God the Son in the New Testament. Dispensationalists hold that the Church has not replaced Israel in God’s program and that the Old Testament promises to Israel have not been transferred to the Church. Dispensationalism teaches that the promises God made to Israel in the Old Testament (for land, many descendants, and blessings) will be ultimately fulfilled in the 1000-year period spoken of in Revelation 20. Dispensationalists believe that, just as God is in this age focusing His attention on the Church, He will again in the future focus His attention on Israel (see Romans 9–11 and Daniel 9:24).

Dispensationalists understand the Bible to be organized into seven dispensations: Innocence (Genesis 1:1—3:7), Conscience (Genesis 3:8—8:22), Human Government (Genesis 9:1—11:32), Promise (Genesis 12:1—Exodus 19:25), Law (Exodus 20:1—Acts 2:4), Grace (Acts 2:4—Revelation 20:3), and the Millennial Kingdom (Revelation 20:4–6). Again, these dispensations are not paths to salvation, but manners in which God relates to man. Each dispensation includes a recognizable pattern of how God worked with people living in the dispensation. That pattern is 1) a responsibility, 2) a failure, 3) a judgment, and 4) grace to move on.

Dispensationalism, as a system, results in a premillennial interpretation of Christ’s second coming and usually a pretribulational interpretation of the rapture. To summarize, dispensationalism is a theological system that emphasizes the literal interpretation of Bible prophecy, recognizes a distinction between Israel and the Church, and organizes the Bible into different dispensations or administrations.

Thank you Pen...xox...

Melach · Apr 17, 2019

reading that i like dispensationalism but i dont agree with the church and israel big difference .

eternally-gratefull · Apr 17, 2019

Melach said:

What do you mean by big difference?

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