Faith

[posthuman]

If I were serving soup to a lot of people, and if I used the same ladle to dish it out, then that ladle would be THE measure. Everyone would get the same amount of soup because I would use the same measure. That’s the way it is with God’s faith. He only used one measure. All born-again Christians received the same amount of faith.

How does Christ speak about great and little faith then, in reference to individuals?

 

[posthuman]

Mark 11 22

Nestle Greek New Testament 1904
καὶ ἀποκριθεὶς ὁ Ἰησοῦς λέγει αὐτοῖς Ἔχετε πίστιν θεοῦ.

faith of God /genitiveof God - whose faith /

genetive indicates a relationship 'of or from' doesn't it?
i don't know Greek.

KJV and the majority of other English versions have 'faith in God' here
Douay-Rheims, GNV and YLT have 'of God'
BSB has 'from God'

i don't think it makes sense to consider that God has faith - not in the sense that we talk about this word. if faith is the evidence of unseen things, and God sees all things.. nothing is unseen to Him. He is forever faithful - meaning He is trustworthy and true - but does He live by belief? Belief in what? Himself?

This whole conversation is weird to me, like we're counting angels on the head of a pin.

 

[piroma]

genetive indicates a relationship 'of or from' doesn't it?
i don't know Greek.

KJV and the majority of other English versions have 'faith in God' here
Douay-Rheims, GNV and YLT have 'of God'
BSB has 'from God'

i don't think it makes sense to consider that God has faith - not in the sense that we talk about this word. if faith is the evidence of unseen things, and God sees all things.. nothing is unseen to Him. He is forever faithful - meaning He is trustworthy and true - but does He live by belief? Belief in what? Himself?

This whole conversation is weird to me, like we're counting angels on the head of a pin.

King James Bible
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

faith comes from spirit of faith - no spirit of faith no faith

obviously the spirit of Christ has spirit of faith

 

[Adelia]

Ephesians 2:8 and Romans 3:24 tell us we are justified by faith through grace.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Mark 11 22

Nestle Greek New Testament 1904
καὶ ἀποκριθεὶς ὁ Ἰησοῦς λέγει αὐτοῖς Ἔχετε πίστιν θεοῦ.

faith of God /genitiveof God - whose faith /

Mark 11:22, Jesus said have faith in God. He was directing his remarks to Peter, who has already been born again. The natural man will not have faith in spiritual things that he cannot discern, 1 Cor 2:14.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

IMO,In this case, faith that a human being would use would be called believing which depends on 5 sense knowledge.

Are you saying that because he has the 5 natural senses that he can discern spiritual things?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

but after rebirth one who is born should see the kingdom of God
and after that to enter it


disciples with Christ did not have the Holy spirit and consequently no regeneration

the statement of definition of being born from God one should read as follows -

every one who believes by God's Faith that Jesus is the Christ is son of God
by devil faith one is son of devil

and by human faith also not enough to believe to become the son of God

your faith should be tested and by your faith should be bestowed on you the grace of God which will give you faith of Christ and by that faith adoption as son

Psalms 51:11, even David had the Holy Spirit and recognized his salvation.

 

[Nehemiah6]

So I ask who's Faith?

Galatians 2:16 literally has "faith from Christ" in the Greek.

The KJV has "faith of Christ", some modern versions have "faith in Christ", and some have "the faithfulness of Christ".

We know that the last translation is incorrect, since the rest of the New Testament teaches that we are justified by grace through faith IN CHRIST AND HIS FINISHED WORK OF REDEMPTION.

So it is the sinners faith in Christ, not the faith of Christ in Himself (since He Himself is God).

 

[PS]

Considering Jesus is God on earth (do I hear loud protests) I reckon that to say we have the faith of God is to bring the Almighty down to our level, and that's not right.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Are you saying that because he has the 5 natural senses that he can discern spiritual things?

No, I’m saying man doesn’t use the faith of Jesus before he got saved,he could only use 5 sense knowledge.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Galatians 2:16 literally has "faith from Christ" in the Greek.

The KJV has "faith of Christ", some modern versions have "faith in Christ", and some have "the faithfulness of Christ".

We know that the last translation is incorrect, since the rest of the New Testament teaches that we are justified by grace through faith IN CHRIST AND HIS FINISHED WORK OF REDEMPTION.

So it is the sinners faith in Christ, not the faith of Christ in Himself (since He Himself is God).

I like the Greek way of saying faith from CHRIST.

 

[piroma]

Mark 11:22, Jesus said have faith in God. He was directing his remarks to Peter, who has already been born again. The natural man will not have faith in spiritual things that he cannot discern, 1 Cor 2:14.

Peter denied Jesus three times
all of them 11 run away in fear of death

who is born from God cannot sin and does not fear the death

open eyes - for this you need time and not one moment - ointment for eyes should be applied many times till one can see

 

[piroma]

Mark 11:22, Jesus said have faith in God. He was directing his remarks to Peter, who has already been born again. The natural man will not have faith in spiritual things that he cannot discern, 1 Cor 2:14.

if cannot discern fleshly one why Jesus said to Nicodemus about spiritual ?
and in the proverbs used to explain spiritual to non spiritual ?
just here's needed the language of spiritual things to understand beforehand

spiritual spiritually understands - without explanation - that is not about natural but spiritual ones

to the fleshly ones - in proverbs with explanation - to ones who believes
to the non believers it is not possible to explain

it is three sort of people -

natural - without faith - man of soul - did not denied the soul of his
fleshly - with faith but living according flesh
spiritual - with faith and love living according to the spirit

 

[posthuman]

Mark 11 22

Nestle Greek New Testament 1904
καὶ ἀποκριθεὶς ὁ Ἰησοῦς λέγει αὐτοῖς Ἔχετε πίστιν θεοῦ.

faith of God /genitiveof God - whose faith /

in English, genitive case can be 'of' or 'from' or 'for' and it's distinguished from possessive, tho it can sometimes be both - for example if i say these are 'my things' it's possessive; they belong to me. but it's genitive, because i may not ultimately have ownership of the things but the phrase expresses that the things are associated with me.
a common example i found is 'the artist's paintings' - which isn't possessive, i.e. it isn't that the paintings belong to the artist, even tho they may belong to him. it's that they were made by him; they are from the artist.
another example given is 'the men's clothing section' -- the section of clothing designed and designated for men.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

FAITH

Peter denied Jesus three times
all of them 11 run away in fear of death

who is born from God cannot sin and does not fear the death

open eyes - for this you need time and not one moment - ointment for eyes should be applied many times till one can see

John 3:16
King James Version

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Peter denied Jesus three times
all of them 11 run away in fear of death

who is born from God cannot sin and does not fear the death

open eyes - for this you need time and not one moment - ointment for eyes should be applied many times till one can see

The thief on the cross was saved In one moment.

 

[PS]

I like the Greek way of saying faith from CHRIST.

It is OUR faith in Jesus that saves.

Jesus said, "if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins" (John 8:24).

 

[piroma]

in English, genitive case can be 'of' or 'from' or 'for' and it's distinguished from possessive, tho it can sometimes be both - for example if i say these are 'my things' it's possessive; they belong to me. but it's genitive, because i may not ultimately have ownership of the things but the phrase expresses that the things are associated with me.
a common example i found is 'the artist's paintings' - which isn't possessive, i.e. it isn't that the paintings belong to the artist, even tho they may belong to him. it's that they were made by him; they are from the artist.
another example given is 'the men's clothing section' -- the section of clothing designed and designated for men.

yes - the Faith of God belongs to Him and He shares His faith giving part of it to those whom he loves
it is both here - the spirit of God has all spiritual gifts and distributes them
so we have to be keen on receiving all of them - as much as possible

 

[piroma]

FAITH


John 3:16
King James Version

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

which faith can save believer ? about what sort faith here has been said ?

faith alive or dead faith ?

what is faith alive ?

 

[piroma]

The thief on the cross was saved In one moment.

not at all
first has to suffer on the cross much more then Jesus by time
and to have broken legs

are you ready for this ?
salvation on the cross ?

it is exceptional salvation - out of norm
apostle Paul was preaching standard way of salvation - the rebirth of spiritual baptism

one has to find what is salvation within norms of God - what God proposed to everybody not exceptional things