Not By Works

[FollowHisSteps]

Not inspecting fruit. Commenting on the rotten, worm infested, abominable fruit that you throw in my face.
Besides, you inspected my fruit when you commented on my self control

It is interesting, when someone says someone else is a particular way, not accepting this is
a judgement is being totally unaware of what one is doing.

The whole premise of certain accusations is founded on the idea an accusation is true.
If the accusation is false then the following argument fails totally.

Cynicism is addictive and carries its own poison. It is always easier to criticise and find fault
than build something that works. Failures are infinite, while success is often singular.
So the cynic is so convinced they are a valuable contributor because they get so much right,
except when they destroy the very thing they should be supporting. At that point they become
the enemy.

Jesus was not cynic, He carried an answer and lived in hope that the elect would follow. So likewise
that is our calling, carrying the answer and calling to the elect to follow, Amen.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I'm calm. I am tired of people only accepting 10 percent of the New Testament
Like it's OK if our christianity ends at justification, and there is no more work that God does in our lives

People are stuck at justification because transformation is about becoming a full
realised individual who no longer is driven by walled off emotion and denied experiences which
they cannot handle.

So faith and others are best kept at arms length where one can stay a sinner sinning, and have faith
that saves and live a "nice" life like everyone in the world.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

You are acting like an inquisitor. That is not examing your fruit. It is examining the dung that you are slinging.

You are 100% right.
The mission declared openly by some is to expose the hypocrites and exclude them by any means.

They use words like "keep swinging...the Picts are coming over the wall!!!", "the scrutiny we put you under"
"expose his deceitful ways and dogma" "No one opposes"

The inquisition used torture to get a confession, by the time the victim was almost dead.
But the principle is the same. It is not the winning of people, but the throwing out of the enemy,
and the showing how evil and wrong they are. Falls apart when the argument show what one is doing
is falsely accusing Gods people of sin and lying about being able to walk like Jesus.

 

[gb9]

You are 100% right.
The mission declared openly by some is to expose the hypocrites and exclude them by any means.

They use words like "keep swinging...the Picts are coming over the wall!!!", "the scrutiny we put you under"
"expose his deceitful ways and dogma" "No one opposes"

The inquisition used torture to get a confession, by the time the victim was almost dead.
But the principle is the same. It is not the winning of people, but the throwing out of the enemy,
and the showing how evil and wrong they are. Falls apart when the argument show what one is doing
is falsely accusing Gods people of sin and lying about being able to walk like Jesus.

" walk like Jesus ' . ignore the meaning of the word sin.

planet peter sure has a strange orbit .......

 

[Macabeus]

It is always an apple tree indeed!!

If God declares us apple trees when we are born again we are always apple trees!!

We can never be anything else.

Well, according to DC you can be twice dead, withered fruit, without fruit apple trees...

AMEN..........of course I would cite creation which speaks and is used as an example by Jesus and the bible, but..............................

a. Seed of an apple lays on ground
b. Seed sprouts <----IMMEDIATELY is an apple tree but NO fruit
c. Sprout grows numerous YEARS as an apple TREE still NO fruit
d. ONCE it sprouted it is an apple tree, still and APPLE TREE finally after a few YEARS puts on from one to ten apples
e. Said apple tree may bear for many years in abundance or....
f. Said apple tree loses ALL blooms in year 5 due to late frost and bears NO fruit...STILL an APPLE TREE
g. Said APPLE tree bears crappy, dried up fruit year 7 due to a massive drought....STILL an APPLE TREE
h. Said APPLE tree has crop wiped OUT due to worms year 10...STILL an APPLE TREE
i. SAID APPLE TREE wanes and produces less and less as it ages and eventually dies...WAS ALWAYS an APPLE TREE

WHEN was the above tree NEVER an apple tree or LOST it's status as an APPLE TREE....NEVER

I seen a peach tree one time that was growing along a 2 lane highway in the ditch put on so much fruit that the limbs were almost to the breaking point....the same year that it died.....I picked numerous 5 gallon buckets of fruit off of that tree....the next year it was dead.....only produced that one year.....I drove by that tree for over 7 years and it never produced fruit until that year and only one year....yet it was ALWAYS a peach tree.....

...and it takes wheat a few months to grow, not thousands of years. (see parable of wheat and tares)

29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”

(the harvest is the end of the age, therefore the wheat is harvested thousands of years later, so by your half baked system of interpretation, we have a miracle every year. Wheat that should take thousands of years to come to fruition coming to fruition in only a few months)

Matthew 24:8- All these are the beginning of sorrows.

The phrase "beginning of sorrows" is odin, which was used for childbirth, so according to DC's half baked system of interpretation, the tribulation spoken of Jesus would only last hours.





It is bad interpretation to make an analogy or parable walk on all fours.

 

[Macabeus]

You are 100% right.
The mission declared openly by some is to expose the hypocrites and exclude them by any means.

They use words like "keep swinging...the Picts are coming over the wall!!!", "the scrutiny we put you under"
"expose his deceitful ways and dogma" "No one opposes"

The inquisition used torture to get a confession, by the time the victim was almost dead.
But the principle is the same. It is not the winning of people, but the throwing out of the enemy,
and the showing how evil and wrong they are. Falls apart when the argument show what one is doing
is falsely accusing Gods people of sin and lying about being able to walk like Jesus.

Falsely accusing. Like Argueless was falsely accused.

Post 79036-Argueless- Are Ananias and Saphira saved or unsaved? Does scriptures say that no one will wander or turn away from the FAITH? If anyone wander or turn away from the FAITH which you CLAIM can ALONE save and DENY God, would that person still be saved?

Post 79,037-DC reply- What Jesus do you follow....not the one of the bible...Because the one of the bible starts, finishes and completes the work of faith in those that believe and then if they do not abide faithful he remains faithful to his promise to start, finish and complete the work....

Post 97,292- Argueless Go and know for yourself what dcon's stance is re: LYING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT... (in other words REGARDING the Holy Spirit, referring to post 79'037)

97,293 Dcon-Post 97,293- I have reported this post for accusing me of LYING to the Holy SPIRIT......which I have NOT done...

The last post was a misrepresentation of Argueless. Argueless NEVER said DC was lying to the Spirit. He was speaking of his stance on the Holy Spirit.

https://christianchat.com/search/126331/?q=lying+to+the+spirit&c[users]=argueless&o=date

 

[Macabeus]

"dcontroversal, post: 3900542, member: 183444"]You are consistent I will say......in being dishonest......OK...back to iggyville.....enough evidence for all to see last page or so........CYA

dcontroversal said:
You falsely accused me....You got called on it...You said prove it....I did....you said you would go away in shame....why are you still here?

Argueless said:

Go and know for yourself what dcon's stance is re: LYING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT...then maybe you can share to us what your "HONEST and full of INTEGRITY" mentor have told you. I do expect that he will respond to you unless he's hiding something

This is your accusation?

He said you STANCE on lying to the Holy Spirit, not that you lied to the Holy Spirit. He was referring to this. When you answered his question "are Ananais and Saphira saved", and you basically answered YES.

So Argueless was referring to your stance on lying to the Holy Spirit, which is that a Christian can do it, be struck down by God and die, and still be saved.

Well, OK, you can believe that if you want, but don't accuse someone of accusing you of something when they are only addressing your position.

 

[gb9]

Falsely accusing. Like Argueless was falsely accused.

Post 79036-Argueless- Are Ananias and Saphira saved or unsaved? Does scriptures say that no one will wander or turn away from the FAITH? If anyone wander or turn away from the FAITH which you CLAIM can ALONE save and DENY God, would that person still be saved?

Post 79,037-DC reply- What Jesus do you follow....not the one of the bible...Because the one of the bible starts, finishes and completes the work of faith in those that believe and then if they do not abide faithful he remains faithful to his promise to start, finish and complete the work....

Post 97,292- Argueless Go and know for yourself what dcon's stance is re: LYING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT... (in other words REGARDING the Holy Spirit, referring to post 79'037)

97,293 Dcon-Post 97,293- I have reported this post for accusing me of LYING to the Holy SPIRIT......which I have NOT done...

The last post was a misrepresentation of Argueless. Argueless NEVER said DC was lying to the Spirit. He was speaking of his stance on the Holy Spirit.

https://christianchat.com/search/126331/?q=lying+to+the+spirit&c[users]=argueless&o=date

you are constantly going on and on about fruit, still going on about something that doc said months ago, so, when I call you a judgemental fruit inspector who is obsessed with time it takes to bear fruit, that is why.

and, you told us to stop talking about you, and leave you alone, we did, and you came roaring back, attacking the ones you asked to leave you alone, who had.

me thinks you are just an attention hound barking at the moon.....

 

[Budman]

You condemned yourself when you judged me for supposedly judging fruit, then you judged my self control, which is a fruit.

Um, I've admitted I judge fruit, because it exposes hypocrites like you. One who claims he doesn't judge fruit while calling us "sharks" and "inquisitors".

You really need to work on your comprehension skills.

I didn't start judging fruit until I was accused of it 100 times first. And there is nothing wrong with judging fruit.

Nothing wrong with it? So, your whole argument up until this point is invalid?

See the following:

Jesus said "don't judge your brother" He did not say don't judge false teachers.

Am I your brother, Mac? Yet again, you've contradicted yourself. And you do once again with the following:

Not saying you are a child of the devil. Just saying that John says that actions manifest who is of God and who is of the devil. By your definition, John was a fruit inspector.

But, you just stated fruit inspection isn't bad.

Your wit, in sense of humor, is as sharp as a ping pong bowl and keen as a plastic butterknife. And your argumentation is as weighty as a feather.

Wit is not a fruit, neither is argumentation, so I am not inspecting fruit, O grande Inquisitor.

You must really hate it when I use your own words against you, doncha?

Mac, I truly hope you never get banned. The way you contradict yourself constantly simply fascinates me. I can't wait for your next batch of furious posts where you claim one thing and do another.

Oh, and "everyone" means every person, and "all" means every one.

You forget that a lot.

 

[Budman]

So go ahead and burn my effigy some more, Inquisitors.

Mmmm...there's that tiny violin playing again.

 

[Macabeus]

you are constantly going on and on about fruit,
.

Lie. DC brought it up again. Look at the post I was replying to, Sherlock.

you are constantly going on and on about fruit, still going on about something that doc said months ago, .

Lie, I was replying to a quote that he put out there a day or two ago. Go look at the post i was replying to, Inquisitor.

so, when I call you a judgemental fruit inspector who is obsessed with time it takes to bear fruit,

No, I do not put a timetable on it. One could bear fruit the next day, (like UnderGrace said) or weeks later, or months later or maybe even years later, but that would be strange, considering the posts I posted last night.

And DC brought it up again, not me. So he is the one who is obsessing.

and, you told us to stop talking about you, and leave you alone, we did, and you came roaring back, attacking the ones you asked to leave you alone, who had.

You can thank Budman for that.

me thinks you are just an attention hound barking at the moon.....

...and methinks you are a judgemental fruit inspector

 

[Macabeus]

Mmmm...there's that tiny violin playing again.

It's Budman playing the fiddle while the fire he cause burns, like Nero

 

[Budman]

What we are talking about is a guy who says he sins all the time and cannot stand people who suggest they behave differently to him.

The bolded part is a colossal lie. I have always said we should live lives pleasing to the Lord. My beef is with those who claim they don't sin, or preach sinless living to others while knowing full well they themselves sin as much as everyone else.

 

[Macabeus]

Um, I've admitted I judge fruit, because it exposes hypocrites like you. One who claims he doesn't judge fruit while calling us "sharks" and "inquisitors".

.

Since I was accused of judging fruit umpteen times, I decided to go ahead and start. Besides, you said it is allowable, to expose hypocrites. Which is why I'm doing it now.

 

[Macabeus]

The bolded part is a colossal lie. I have always said we should live lives pleasing to the Lord. My beef is with those who claim they don't sin, or preach sinless living to others while knowing full well they themselves sin as much as everyone else.

Well that would exclude me, because I never said that.

 

[Budman]

It's Budman playing the fiddle while the fire he cause burns, like Nero

It's okay to feel sorry for yourself Mac, just don't expect us to show up for your pity party.

 

[Budman]

Since I was accused of judging fruit umpteen times, I decided to go ahead and start.

Glad to see you've jumped aboard. So, you admit your whole crusade against fruit inspecting was false?

 

[Budman]

Well that would exclude me, because I never said that.

Never said you did.

 

[Budman]

You can thank Budman for that

And I, for one, am glad.

...and methinks you are a judgemental fruit inspector

Which you now claim is fine.

 

[Macabeus]

Um, I've admitted I judge fruit, because it exposes hypocrites like you. One who claims he doesn't judge fruit while calling us "sharks" and "inquisitors".

You really need to work on your comprehension skills.

Nothing wrong with it? So, your whole argument up until this point is invalid?

See the following:

Am I your brother, Mac?

.

I don't know. I'm not God and I don't know your heart. SO it is not a contradiction at all

You mentioned false teachers. in reference to me saying something that applies to you, because it applies to everyone. Therefore you put yourself in the same category as them (the false teachers)

So I did not infer that you are a false teacher, you did.