Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

[preacher1611]

You got that right. The Word who was with God and is God became flesh. The Word is Jesus Christ. The Living Word manifest in the form of Jesus. Thats the mystery Paul talked about. Jesus was from the beginning. And everything was made through Him. God created everything through His Word. When His Word was manifest as flesh we were able to Hear Him and See Him. And now if we receieve Him we can have eternal life in Him. His Words are life because they are the Word of God. If the Word is in you Christ is in you.

Hey I know Kelby asked how do we know if someone has the Holy Spirit and I really like that question. Because Ive had people ask me the same thing. They ask how do you know if you recieved it?

I asked them if they were prayed over and had hands laid on them? But I realize not all churches do that. So I asked if they feel gulity over doing things that are sinful. Do they feel things that they used to do, not go with their spirit. Do they have peace in times of trouble?

From my observation it seems like the person that draws closer to God and opens their heart to be right with God receives the gift. The gift isnt impossible to receive. All it takes is the repentant heart. Open to God. Sincere and seeking Him. You can pray in church and not even go to the altar and have the Holy Spirit fill you where you stand. Ive heard different testimonies.

Its the persons heart that matters. God knows the heart. The Holy Spirit is the gift for all who will believe. And like youve said we believe the Word of God. All of it. Not just the name of Jesus but all of the Word of God. And we turn to God. We incline ourselves to Him and He does the rest. In due time the Holy Spirit fills that person. And you know someone has it by their fruits.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control.

Nobody can know for certain if another person has the Holy Spirit. We KNOW we receive the Spirit of God when we KNOW we receive his Son. If we could know for certain of someone is saved we would know for certain if they had the Holy Ghost or not, but we simply can’t know. If a person professes faith in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ we should admonish them as a brother the Bible says.

 

[preacher1611]

Nobody can know for certain if another person has the Holy Spirit. We KNOW we receive the Spirit of God when we KNOW we receive his Son. If we could know for certain of someone is saved we would know for certain if they had the Holy Ghost or not, but we simply can’t know. If a person professes faith in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ we should admonish them as a brother the Bible says.

And if they are brethren they indeed have the Spirit of Christ!

 

[TLC209]

Nobody can know for certain if another person has the Holy Spirit. We KNOW we receive the Spirit of God when we KNOW we receive his Son. If we could know for certain of someone is saved we would know for certain if they had the Holy Ghost or not, but we simply can’t know. If a person professes faith in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ we should admonish them as a brother the Bible says.

Well I am glad that I know that I know that I know I have received the Spirit of the Lord.

I had people from a church, that I eventually left, tell me that unless I speak in tounges I dont have the Holy Spirit. I walked out of that conversation nicely but felt such offense I didnt want to go back to that church.

I prayed over that matter because it was important to me. If I didnt have the Holy Spirit then why was I turning my life around and yielding myself to God if it was all being done in vain. (I come from gang culture). So I needed to know and be sure that God was with me. So I studied on all the fuss about the speaking in tounges and whether or not this could be true that someone that doesnt speak in tounges does not have the Holy Spirit.

But God answered and showed that tounges is not the only sign one has received the Holy Spirit. But tounges is biblical but it is not the only evidence.

Paul wrote are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Are all workers of healing? Do all speak in other tounges? Are all interpeters of tounges?

Simple answer is No. He was speaking to the body of Christ. We are all part of the body and we all have a role in that body. No member is less than anyone. We all play a part in edifying the body. So some of us can speak in other tounges, this gift edifies the one speaking in tounges and strengthens the person in their Spirit. Being stronger allows you to be able to help others. However that may be, God will use that person.

For instance Paul spoke more tounges than anyone. And look how great he was used by God. How much revelation he recieved in doing so. Paul taught prophesying was more edifying for the church body and tounges for the person speaking in tounges.

Prophesying can encourage us depending on what God speaks thru the person, or it can give warnings to prevent things or things we need to change, and it can also give you a word of guidance on things to come.

Healing is very much needed. Interpreting I havent met an interpreter of tongues but if anyone knows what "ro bo ko so" means?? Id love to know. Thats the only words in tounges that God has given me to speak when I was praying by myself.

 

[garee]

Garee, the above is an example of convoluted bafflegab. I'm sure it has meaning to you, but because it is so poorly constructed, it is not going to have much meaning to anyone else. Again, I encourage you to take a writing course, or at least to look at how sentences are constructed in the KJV... and try to emulate the simplicity of form you will find there.

Thanks

I think you could understand that signs that are used as metaphors in parables like shadows follow someone has believed prophecy,

Those signs convey the same spiritual message each time they are used. Jeus uses a bunch of them in a roll that give John a answer to his doubting.

 

[preacher1611]

Well I am glad that I know that I know that I know I have received the Spirit of the Lord.

I had people from a church, that I eventually left, tell me that unless I speak in tounges I dont have the Holy Spirit. I walked out of that conversation nicely but felt such offense I didnt want to go back to that church.

I prayed over that matter because it was important to me. If I didnt have the Holy Spirit then why was I turning my life around and yielding myself to God if it was all being done in vain. (I come from gang culture). So I needed to know and be sure that God was with me. So I studied on all the fuss about the speaking in tounges and whether or not this could be true that someone that doesnt speak in tounges does not have the Holy Spirit.

But God answered and showed that tounges is not the only sign one has received the Holy Spirit. But tounges is biblical but it is not the only evidence.

Paul wrote are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Are all workers of healing? Do all speak in other tounges? Are all interpeters of tounges?

Simple answer is No. He was speaking to the body of Christ. We are all part of the body and we all have a role in that body. No member is less than anyone. We all play a part in edifying the body. So some of us can speak in other tounges, this gift edifies the one speaking in tounges and strengthens the person in their Spirit. Being stronger allows you to be able to help others. However that may be, God will use that person.

For instance Paul spoke more tounges than anyone. And look how great he was used by God. How much revelation he recieved in doing so. Paul taught prophesying was more edifying for the church body and tounges for the person speaking in tounges.

Prophesying can encourage us depending on what God speaks thru the person, or it can give warnings to prevent things or things we need to change, and it can also give you a word of guidance on things to come.

Healing is very much needed. Interpreting I havent met an interpreter of tongues but if anyone knows what "ro bo ko so" means?? Id love to know. Thats the only words in tounges that God has given me to speak when I was praying by myself.

According to my Google search “ro bo ko” is an andriod with feminine features. Now add “so” to it and there you go!

Now isn’t that answer more real and probable than any other answers you’ll get? I could’ve told you that meant “God is promoting you” or whatever and you either believe MY WORDS by faith or you don’t! Period! I’d rather out my faith in what I can understand (the words of God) or in your case Roboko.

1 Corinthians 14:19 KJV
[19] Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

I’d rather give you five words from scripture than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. It’s called unknown for a reason! It’s actually an UNKNOWN tongue!

 

[garee]

Well I am glad that I know that I know that I know I have received the Spirit of the Lord.

I had people from a church, that I eventually left, tell me that unless I speak in tounges I dont have the Holy Spirit. I walked out of that conversation nicely but felt such offense I didnt want to go back to that church.

I prayed over that matter because it was important to me. If I didnt have the Holy Spirit then why was I turning my life around and yielding myself to God if it was all being done in vain. (I come from gang culture). So I needed to know and be sure that God was with me. So I studied on all the fuss about the speaking in tounges and whether or not this could be true that someone that doesnt speak in tounges does not have the Holy Spirit.

But God answered and showed that tounges is not the only sign one has received the Holy Spirit. But tounges is biblical but it is not the only evidence.

Paul wrote are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? Are all workers of healing? Do all speak in other tounges? Are all interpeters of tounges?

Simple answer is No. He was speaking to the body of Christ. We are all part of the body and we all have a role in that body. No member is less than anyone. We all play a part in edifying the body. So some of us can speak in other tounges, this gift edifies the one speaking in tounges and strengthens the person in their Spirit. Being stronger allows you to be able to help others. However that may be, God will use that person.

For instance Paul spoke more tounges than anyone. And look how great he was used by God. How much revelation he recieved in doing so. Paul taught prophesying was more edifying for the church body and tounges for the person speaking in tounges.

Prophesying can encourage us depending on what God speaks thru the person, or it can give warnings to prevent things or things we need to change, and it can also give you a word of guidance on things to come.

Healing is very much needed. Interpreting I havent met an interpreter of tongues but if anyone knows what "ro bo ko so" means?? Id love to know. Thats the only words in tounges that God has given me to speak when I was praying by myself.

Tongues is prophesying prophecy .,or declaring the word of God.

The question is what does the sign confirm .We know what prophecy confirms. Its called belief . No outward sign gifts rather we walk by faith.

 

[preacher1611]

Tongues is prophesying prophecy .,or declaring the word of God.

The question is what does the sign confirm .We know what prophecy confirms. Its called belief . No outward sign gifts rather we walk by faith.

Revelation 19:10 KJV
[10] And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

The TESTIMONY OF JESUS is the spirit of prophecy! Hence all prophecy points towards our Saviour!

Where does scripture say tongues is prophecy as you stated?

 

[TLC209]

Tongues is prophesying prophecy .,or declaring the word of God.

The question is what does the sign confirm .We know what prophecy confirms. Its called belief . No outward sign gifts rather we walk by faith.

Prophesy confirms it came from God. Alot of the OT had prophesies and they all came true because they came from God. If someone prophesies and it doesnt come true than it wasnt of God.

Signs a person believes has been quoted in Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

These signs go hand in hand with a true believer. Jesus healed the sick and cast out demons. Jesus said we would do these works and greater works. So isnt this the truth of God? Shouldnt we have these signs if we are believers? Im sure not all the signs, but atleast one of these signs?

 

[preacher1611]

Prophesy confirms it came from God. Alot of the OT had prophesies and they all came true because they came from God. If someone prophesies and it doesnt come true than it wasnt of God.

Signs a person believes has been quoted in Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

These signs go hand in hand with a true believer. Jesus healed the sick and cast out demons. Jesus said we would do these works and greater works. So isnt this the truth of God? Shouldnt we have these signs if we are believers? Im sure not all the signs, but atleast one of these signs?

Why do you desire sign gifts?

 

[TLC209]

Why do you desire sign gifts?

Desire sign gifts? I dont understand. Signs? I dont desire signs. I do desire gifts to profit others. Ive asked for the gift of prophesy. Id like to be able to have the gift of healing. To be used by God in those ways.

People sometimes have a hard time believing. Sometimes people need signs and wonders. People need proof. We are blessed to believe without seeing, because we rely on faith. But not everyone can see it that way.

I dont want people to miss out on what God has for their lives, if they continue to walk in unbelief. If I can be used by God to give someone prophetic words, encouraging words, I want to be used. If someone needs healing, I want to be used by the Holy Spirit to heal them. Using those opportunities to testify of the goodness of God.

God is a good God and I just want to share that with those who dont believe. And its sad that most people need proof. Visable signs. I share Gods word like how you do on here, because Gods word never returns void. Sowing those seeds will have a harvest sooner or later. We leave it in Gods hands and He does the rest.

 

[preacher1611]

Desire sign gifts? I dont understand. Signs? I dont desire signs. I do desire gifts to profit others. Ive asked for the gift of prophesy. Id like to be able to have the gift of healing. To be used by God in those ways.

People sometimes have a hard time believing. Sometimes people need signs and wonders. People need proof. We are blessed to believe without seeing, because we rely on faith. But not everyone can see it that way.

I dont want people to miss out on what God has for their lives, if they continue to walk in unbelief. If I can be used by God to give someone prophetic words, encouraging words, I want to be used. If someone needs healing, I want to be used by the Holy Spirit to heal them. Using those opportunities to testify of the goodness of God.

God is a good God and I just want to share that with those who dont believe. And its sad that most people need proof. Visable signs. I share Gods word like how you do on here, because Gods word never returns void. Sowing those seeds will have a harvest sooner or later. We leave it in Gods hands and He does the rest.

I was just curious. Thanks for clarifying. May God bless you as you serve him.

 

[Dino246]

Thanks

I think you could understand that signs that are used as metaphors in parables like shadows follow someone has believed prophecy,

Those signs convey the same spiritual message each time they are used. Jeus uses a bunch of them in a roll that give John a answer to his doubting.

I understand what you're saying, but you could say it so much more simply, like this:

"Signs follow those who have believed prophecy."

When you put all the other words in, your sentence becomes confusing. It's not that the words are wrong, or that the message as a whole is wrong; rather, there is just a better way to convey the message.

 

[KelbyofGod]

Several in acts were saved and then recieved the Baptism in the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands.
One got the baptism first,then got saved.

Two different element (salvation<> baptism in the Holy Spirit)

I might distill those two elements a bit further by clarifying that the bible declares that they 1. believed at one point, then 2. received the the Holy Ghost at another point...but it doesn't state that they received "salvation" at a particular point in those accounts.


I know that goes directly against what many of us have been taught by our churches, but please consider the following earnestly:

If a person MUST receive the Holy ghost in order to be "saved" then "salvation" cannot be implied at the moment of belief in any case where the bible clarifies that those particular believers have NOT yet received the Holy Ghost.

It is possible to believe, but still need to wait, endure, abide, tarry, pray for the outpouring of the Holy Ghost. That was true of the those in the upper room in Acts 2. It was true of those in Samaria in Acts 8. It was true of those in Ephesus in Acts 19. And it is still true all around the globe today.

The accounts in the book of Acts (bible) were accurate and applicable in the day they were recorded. And those accounts are still just as accurate and applicable today.

Thank God for his abiding faithfulness. "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever" -Hebrews 8:13

 

[preacher1611]

I might distill those two elements a bit further by clarifying that the bible declares that they 1. believed at one point, then 2. received the the Holy Ghost at another point...but it doesn't state that they received "salvation" at a particular point in those accounts.


I know that goes directly against what many of us have been taught by our churches, but please consider the following earnestly:

If a person MUST receive the Holy ghost in order to be "saved" then "salvation" cannot be implied at the moment of belief in any case where the bible clarifies that those particular believers have NOT yet received the Holy Ghost.

It is possible to believe, but still need to wait, endure, abide, tarry, pray for the outpouring of the Holy Ghost. That was true of the those in the upper room in Acts 2. It was true of those in Samaria in Acts 8. It was true of those in Ephesus in Acts 19. And it is still true all around the globe today.

The accounts in the book of Acts (bible) were accurate and applicable in the day they were recorded. And those accounts are still just as accurate and applicable today.

Thank God for his abiding faithfulness. "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever" -Hebrews 8:13

The Holy Ghost was poured out on the day of Pentecost as promised in the scriptures. Johns disciples hadn’t heard of the promise of the Holy Ghost yet. The book of Acts was transitioning between the Old and New Testaments. The promise of the comforter was given but not until Christ ascended back into Heaven. That was early in the church during the giving of the promised Holy Ghost. Scripture clearly proves that anyone today who is saved receives the promise of the Holy Ghost the moment they trust Christ. The teaching of being saved without having the Holy Ghost is false doctrine. That’s in no epistles to the church!!!! What’s is in those epistles is that if you don’t have the Holy Ghost you do NOT belong to Jesus Christ = not saved!

 

[preacher1611]

I might distill those two elements a bit further by clarifying that the bible declares that they 1. believed at one point, then 2. received the the Holy Ghost at another point...but it doesn't state that they received "salvation" at a particular point in those accounts.


I know that goes directly against what many of us have been taught by our churches, but please consider the following earnestly:

If a person MUST receive the Holy ghost in order to be "saved" then "salvation" cannot be implied at the moment of belief in any case where the bible clarifies that those particular believers have NOT yet received the Holy Ghost.

It is possible to believe, but still need to wait, endure, abide, tarry, pray for the outpouring of the Holy Ghost. That was true of the those in the upper room in Acts 2. It was true of those in Samaria in Acts 8. It was true of those in Ephesus in Acts 19. And it is still true all around the globe today.

The accounts in the book of Acts (bible) were accurate and applicable in the day they were recorded. And those accounts are still just as accurate and applicable today.

Thank God for his abiding faithfulness. "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever" -Hebrews 8:13

Also does the Bible teach anyone was ever saved before receiving the Holy Ghost? References? Nobody was saved before Christ died, was buried, and rose again the third day for that’s the gospel and NOBODY believed it before Christ arose and appeared to his disciples. The Holy Ghost is what “seals” our salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9). Perhaps that’s what also sealed their salvation as well. Just a few thoughts.

 

[KelbyofGod]

Well since no one i promised to speak in tongues, how can that be proof? Is this why people say if you do not speak in tongues your not saved?

Actually, they are promised. On the day of Pentecost, they received the ability to "speak with other tongues, as the spirit gave them utterance" this is the only attribute listed as being manifest that particular day. Then Peter clarifies that what they are observing is the beginning of the fulfillment of the promise recorded by Joel (which includes many more attributes that were not listed as occurring that day, which is why I said "beginning of the fulfillment").

That promise also specifically listed attributes that were to be imparted upon, and manifested in their children as well as numerous signs and wonders yet to come.

Then, when they asked their particular role in these things, Peter clarifies that what they've seen and heard today (speaking in tongues by the Holy Ghost) which is the promise...is for you, your children, and as many as the Lord shall call. <--that's why it's available to everyone.

It's also promised in Mark 16:17 "And these signs shall follow them that believe; ... they shall speak with new tongues;" If you are a believer, you have a right to ask for (and expect) those things which are promised to the believers. That is the nature of a promise.

And yes, that's why people say that if you don't have speaking in tongues, you are still needing to receive the Holy Ghost (a necessary part of salvation). Speaking in tongues is what happens when the outpouring of the Holy Ghost occurs.

The only thing the bible says is his spirit works with your spirit to confirm you are children of God. And that if you have not received chastening, your probably not God's

My bible says "the spirit itself bears witness" (Romans 8:16) which means "provides observable evidence" which is exactly what 'speaking in tongues' is... observable evidence provided by the spirit itself.

(See those accounts in Acts that we've been discussing for confirmation)

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[KelbyofGod]

Matt 7 : Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

Did these people have the Holy Ghost?

It's not a requirement to have the Holy Ghost to do those things. But those things are promised to be done by those that believe.

 

[TLC209]

Also does the Bible teach anyone was ever saved before receiving the Holy Ghost? References? Nobody was saved before Christ died, was buried, and rose again the third day for that’s the gospel and NOBODY believed it before Christ arose and appeared to his disciples. The Holy Ghost is what “seals” our salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9). Perhaps that’s what also sealed their salvation as well. Just a few thoughts.

Yea I was just offering my thoughts on youtube about the theif on the cross. He hadnt yet recieved the Holy Spirit, since not even the apostles recieved it yet. And it seems that Jesus told the theif he would be in paradise.

The theif believed in Jesus. He knew Jesus wasnt some ordinary man, he believed Jesus was who He claimed to be if we consider "Remember me in your kingdom". (Sorry im just paraphrasing from memory.)

So we have the part of believing. Now repentance must have started long ago when he got caught and was imprisoned and sentenced to die by crucifixion! Some will repent having suffered less than this. Trust me ive been in jails and people cant handle a single night at time. Much less crucifixion! Imagine that!

So the theif long repented for his mistake and was on the cross paying for his sin. So the thief believed and had a repented heart. It was counted for him as salvation if we consider what Jesus told him. We are not saved by works. That theif is in Heaven. Jesus is not a liar.

And in Matthew 27 we see the graves were open and those saints that were asleep rose from the grave. Did they all have the Holy Spirit? Their faith was accounted them also it seems. And they rose with Christ. Just bringing my thoughts on the matter.

Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

 

[KelbyofGod]

Just drop it Dino. Why do you try to offend the brotha? Hes a new member and you come off like a snob. Real talk bro. Welcome the brother not push him down.

You say you know Jesus? Go ask for forgiveness and come back. God bless you Dino.

Gotta love the "real talk"!

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[TLC209]

There was a lesson in there for Daddy, too. What you told your son was correct, that God would give to him if he willingly gave to God. (That was a promise) But God didn't need you to cover for him by buying your son a pair of shoes in God's stead. God was quite capable of giving himself...which he did through your friend's girlfriend (not you).

Your action was actually a bit like Abram and Sarai's in Genesis 16. God had given them promise of offspring back in chapter 12, but it wasn't happening fast enough for Sarai. So she decided to 'help God out' by bringing in another woman to sleep with Abram to see if she could bring a son to Abram that way. And yes, they were able to bring a new son into the house, but that son was not the promise, and did that son did not replace God's obligation. So, disregarding their attempts, God honored his promise by giving them a son, Isaac, on exactly the day he had originally intended...just like he brought the promised pair of shoes to your son regardless of what you'd done.

God actually wanted you to rest on his promise the same way you were asking your son to rest on God's promise. God had your back.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Hey Kelby you are absolutely right. When God showed out that day, it helped me so much in my faith. It was another act of God revealing Himself to my son that just added to my trusting in God. I wont forget it.

Hes always showing His goodness if we just stop take a minute and see all He does for us. Sometimes things get busy and chaotic, but He is always there.

So yes brotha I received that day too. Knowing He has my son in His hands what else could I ask for. Im only human, I wont always be there and I wont always know whats best for my son. But God does. And He showed up for my son. I cant ask for more. Real talk lol God bless you brotha!