Your number 4 is a quote from John 1:29. Thayers Greek interpretation of the word "WORLD" in this verse means used of believers only, so it would be the world of believers and the natural man cannot believe in spiritual things (1 Cor 2:14). Thayer also includes the following verses that use the word "WORLD" with the same meaning; John 3:16, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:19. All scripture must harmonize. In your number 14. gave himself as a ransom for all that the Father gave him (John 6:38). In your number 12 Peter is instructing, those that have obtained like precious faith. My bedtime, will reconnect tomorrow.
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There is a difference between quitting sin and quitting repentance. Period. Homosexual desires are not holy, but neither is craving alcohol. Refusing to abandon something God hates because He willingly laid His own life down is definitely a salvational issue. It is assurance that you do not have any.
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False doctrine. The verses prove it. He paid for all sins of all mankind. He paid for every sin, on that we would agree. Homosexuality to murder and everything in between. And they are not counted against those who repent and turn from their sin. Those who do not repent and turn from their sin are lost. You're eternally secure as long as you remain in Christ. A practicing homosexual who has not turned from their sin and believed on Jesus for their salvation will be lost. Otherwise you are telling me that no matter how sinful a life someone lives, no matter how debauched they live they're going to heaven because they were "pre-saved" In no way does the Bible support this notion. Just because God knows who will come to Him doesn't mean he chose certain people for destruction and others for heaven. That would mean that a child who dies that wasn't "pre-saved" goes straight to hell. It's false doctrine and a dangerous one.
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You are promoting an unsuccessful Jesus in your fact that he died and paid for the sins of all mankind and all of mankind will not be saved eternally. You are restricting God's power when God states that he will accomplish all of his will. If it is God's will that all mankind is to be saved then the obvious conclusion would be that all mankind will be saved and I do not think that you believe that. Dan 4:35 - And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? John 17:2 - As thou has given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
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Book, chapter and verse please?
Eternal salvation is not an offer that God makes to man. Christ's sacrifice was an offering to God, for God's acceptance and not to man for man's acceptance. Of those he died for, which was only those that God gave him. Jesus said he would lose nothing, but raise them up at the last day. How do you interpret that statement of Jesus to mean all mankind and again, if it was for all mankind, as you propose, then why are not all mankind in heaven at the last day if Jesus said he would lose nothing? You have to really stretch your imagination to make that verse mean all of mankind. Can you explain that to me? I have explained the scripture quotes already that you keep giving me. All scriptures must harmonize to be the doctrine that Jesus taught. There are two different worlds spoken of in the scriptures. Why did God say that he so loved the world that in another verse he tells us to love not the world. Does it make sense to you that he would tell us not to love the world that he loves. Think about it.
Eternal salvation is not an offer that God makes to man. Christ's sacrifice was an offering to God, for God's acceptance and not to man for man's acceptance. Of those he died for, which was only those that God gave him. Jesus said he would lose nothing, but raise them up at the last day. How do you interpret that statement of Jesus to mean all mankind and again, if it was for all mankind, as you propose, then why are not all mankind in heaven at the last day if Jesus said he would lose nothing? You have to really stretch your imagination to make that verse mean all of mankind. Can you explain that to me? I have explained the scripture quotes already that you keep giving me. All scriptures must harmonize to be the doctrine that Jesus taught. There are two different worlds spoken of in the scriptures. Why did God say that he so loved the world that in another verse he tells us to love not the world. Does it make sense to you that he would tell us not to love the world that he loves. Think about it.
Christ set up his church when he inhabited the earth, which is his kingdom. His church is referred to in the scriptures by many names, such as; The kingdom of God, the kingdom of Christ, the church of God, the church of Christ, the kingdom of heaven, the new Jerusalem, the church of the first born and many more. The church discipline restricts people who are actively participating in sin from membership and if detected after placing membership the church is instructed to exclude them. If an active homosexual is one of those that Christ died for and paid for their sins then they will be changed in the twinkling of the eye when Christ comes back to gather up his elect. 2 Thes 3:6 is an example of church discipline.
Eze_14:6 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations.
If it's homosexualaity or any sin we are asked to turn from it and repent.
Luk_13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
It's not about how much or how many times we sin but have we repented.
Luk_17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
Luk_17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
God forgives us if we repent.
Act_17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act_2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
It is not up to me to Judge if someone has repented or not, that is between them and their saviour.
But repentance is to turn away from your sin.
Repentance is the activity of reviewing one's actions and feeling contrition or regret for past wrongs, which is accompanied by commitment to change for the better. In modern times, it is generally seen as involving a commitment to personal change and the resolve to live a more responsible and humane life.
If homosexuality is understood as wrong and the person repents of the wrong deed, they should turn away from it. i understand that overcoming sin isn't that simple but i also believe there isn't any excuse to justify the sin.
If it's homosexualaity or any sin we are asked to turn from it and repent.
Luk_13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
It's not about how much or how many times we sin but have we repented.
Luk_17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
Luk_17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
God forgives us if we repent.
Act_17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act_2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
It is not up to me to Judge if someone has repented or not, that is between them and their saviour.
But repentance is to turn away from your sin.
Repentance is the activity of reviewing one's actions and feeling contrition or regret for past wrongs, which is accompanied by commitment to change for the better. In modern times, it is generally seen as involving a commitment to personal change and the resolve to live a more responsible and humane life.
If homosexuality is understood as wrong and the person repents of the wrong deed, they should turn away from it. i understand that overcoming sin isn't that simple but i also believe there isn't any excuse to justify the sin.
I look at it like the ark that Noah built. God told the world that the flood was coming and gave them a way to live but it was up to the people to choose. Those that got on the ark survived and those that didn't died. Jesus is our arc and He has given His blood for all to accept but it is up to us to accept it. If you enter the ark before the door closes you will be safe. Once the door closes there isn't any more grace. All glory to God but Noah did build the ark by grace. So God does use man to work at things, even if man isn't needed.
Repenting is an action (work) that the born again child of God does because he is pricked in his heart of breaking a spiritual law. The work of repenting is not the cause of your eternal salvation, but an action that you are already born of the Holy Spirit. The natural man, void of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit will not feel guilty of breaking a spiritual law that he cannot discern and will never repent of something he does not understand.(1 Cor 2:14). James 1:15 - Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished bringeth forth death (separation) from the fellowship with God, not separation from eternal life). The natural man, until he has been given the Holy Spirit in regeneration, cannot be pricked in his heart because he has not yet been born again and given a new heart.