A NON-CHARISMATIC UNDERSTANDING OF TONGUES
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No, it is your issue
You can not say YOU DID NOT SAY I AM NOT SAVED (or we)
Then hold that we blespheme the HS by our belief
There is only one unpardonable sin that scripture speaks of. And that is unbelief. No place in scripture will you see that whoever does not believe that tongues are still active in 2019 has blasphemed the HS thus are not saved.
You can not say YOU DID NOT SAY I AM NOT SAVED (or we)
Then hold that we blespheme the HS by our belief
There is only one unpardonable sin that scripture speaks of. And that is unbelief. No place in scripture will you see that whoever does not believe that tongues are still active in 2019 has blasphemed the HS thus are not saved.
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you can tell me to mob...but this one is a lost cause
all mixed up and set...like cement
you will be here all day and get absolutely nowhere, still be wrong no matter how right you are and end up wondering why you bothered LOL!
all mixed up and set...like cement
you will be here all day and get absolutely nowhere, still be wrong no matter how right you are and end up wondering why you bothered LOL!
I warned ya already
Now I will fuflill what I promised to do.
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you know eg...I am not even talking to you
I am posting about the topic here....the fact that people say people who speak in tongues are demonic or that everyone who speaks in tongues ?
and it goes on and on and on
I was referring to the constant back and forth and the fact it is never resolved and you already seem angry with Ricky and you really dislike me so whatever
you seem full of anger that you cannot control what others say here
that is YOUR problem .
I actually deleted the comment because I know how you take everything as a personal insult so I thought better to say nothing
you have a good day now
I am posting about the topic here....the fact that people say people who speak in tongues are demonic or that everyone who speaks in tongues ?
and it goes on and on and on
I was referring to the constant back and forth and the fact it is never resolved and you already seem angry with Ricky and you really dislike me so whatever
you seem full of anger that you cannot control what others say here
that is YOUR problem .
I actually deleted the comment because I know how you take everything as a personal insult so I thought better to say nothing
you have a good day now
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As for my issue with Ricky right now. it is nothign about tongues, My disagreement is that according to him, Whoever thinks ALL people who speak in tongues speak from satan, Has commited the unpardonable sin.
I would like to see in scripture where it says these people will nto be allowed into heaven.
I would like to see in scripture where it says these people will nto be allowed into heaven.
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I believe speaking against the work of the Holy Spirit is very dangerous ground. Saying tongues is gibberish, I believe is dangerous ground. But to attribute tongues to satan saying it is done under demonic power is blasphemy from what I see in the Bible. Jesus was accused of healing using demon power. So yes, I believe that is blasphemy. Either way it's an utter ridiculous idea and is nothing but bias and assumption on that persons part. And brother I'm pretty sure you'd be offended to if someone told you you were doing something under demon power. I was in ministry a long time, and I take utter offense to anyone telling me I was working under demonic power. If you were honest,and I know you are,you would take offense to. I don't believe the OP is saying it is demon power though.
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Is that grounds for eternal death?
That is my issue
As for tongues and demons, It has been proven that Pegans spoke in languages, and it was most likely demons. Not God.
What you or anyone else does? Is that from God or not? Thats not for us to decide.. I do not know you, I have not witnessed what you have done, and I can not verify anything, so if someone says you are speakin from a demon and claims thats is the fact, then yes, i would have an issue with that.. ( I also said something about him trying to say ALL people who speak in tongues think all who disagree are not saved was wrong)
(I personally would not say what your doing is from a demon in the first place. That would be foolish and wrong on my part and does nothing but divide brother and sister. Which I think as I said before is wrong.
This is a non salvic debate and the attacks from both sides are prety bad. I do not think God likes it, I doubt you do also sis..
Is that grounds for eternal death?
That is my issue
As for tongues and demons, It has been proven that Pegans spoke in languages, and it was most likely demons. Not God.
What you or anyone else does? Is that from God or not? Thats not for us to decide.. I do not know you, I have not witnessed what you have done, and I can not verify anything, so if someone says you are speakin from a demon and claims thats is the fact, then yes, i would have an issue with that.. ( I also said something about him trying to say ALL people who speak in tongues think all who disagree are not saved was wrong)
(I personally would not say what your doing is from a demon in the first place. That would be foolish and wrong on my part and does nothing but divide brother and sister. Which I think as I said before is wrong.
This is a non salvic debate and the attacks from both sides are prety bad. I do not think God likes it, I doubt you do also sis..
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I agree with this. I mean if a person does not agree that speaking in tongues or any other gift is no longer in operation, I guess it would be fair enough for a person so inclined to state the same
I have also been in ministry in both kinds of churches...did not get around as much as you have, but I've heard and seen plenty also
I have seen excess and I have seen churches where honestly, folks are nothing but pew warmers and no one ever tells them better
the church I grew up in, also anti-tongues, I also went back to ...at their invitation...to sing and witness...and they never one single time said anything hurtful to me or tried to convince me I had another spirit. they also had an interesting thing happen in that church, where a few women received speaking in tongues and they went a little nutty. I don't know why. they were my age at the time but I had nothing to do with whatever went on with them
I can only think it is a dire lack of teaching or people who have not really matured in their walk and their emotions are running the show or the leaders...elders...pastor...whoever...that are also in error...that leads to this type of thing.
mind you, I am not an emotional exhibitionist anyway...you can blame my dad for that one...reserved...but I have come out of my very shy shell I used to wear and been able to stand in front of a few thousand people and sing and or talk a little and you had better believe that is the boldness of the Holy Spirit...cause I was not like that naturally
I think folks back at the church I grew up in might have seen that...I never said a thing about gifts or such...I totally respect if a church does not practice them...this is not something to argue about, however dismissing all the Bible says about the gifts and saying the Bible is 'the perfect' has it's own problems
I have also been in ministry in both kinds of churches...did not get around as much as you have, but I've heard and seen plenty also
I have seen excess and I have seen churches where honestly, folks are nothing but pew warmers and no one ever tells them better
the church I grew up in, also anti-tongues, I also went back to ...at their invitation...to sing and witness...and they never one single time said anything hurtful to me or tried to convince me I had another spirit. they also had an interesting thing happen in that church, where a few women received speaking in tongues and they went a little nutty. I don't know why. they were my age at the time but I had nothing to do with whatever went on with them
I can only think it is a dire lack of teaching or people who have not really matured in their walk and their emotions are running the show or the leaders...elders...pastor...whoever...that are also in error...that leads to this type of thing.
mind you, I am not an emotional exhibitionist anyway...you can blame my dad for that one...reserved...but I have come out of my very shy shell I used to wear and been able to stand in front of a few thousand people and sing and or talk a little and you had better believe that is the boldness of the Holy Spirit...cause I was not like that naturally
I think folks back at the church I grew up in might have seen that...I never said a thing about gifts or such...I totally respect if a church does not practice them...this is not something to argue about, however dismissing all the Bible says about the gifts and saying the Bible is 'the perfect' has it's own problems
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Wrong, I did not intend this to be an environment for you to jump in and start slinging mud around. It was INTENDED to be an encouragement for NON-CHARISMATIC BELIEVERS, with what My Church in NEBRASKA believes and teaches.
The TITLE alone, made that OBVIOUS.
SO WHY ARE YOU and Other CHARISMATIC'S and PENTECOSTAL'S even HERE ? ? ?
To stir up TROUBLE?
To be DIVISIVE?
To be extremely ARGUMENTATIVE?
To abandon the FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT, while focusing on the fruit of the FLESH.
IT appears, that YOU have made up your mind to be a TROLL, not me.
Galatians 5:17-26 (HCSB)
17 For the flesh desires what is against the Spirit, and the Spirit desires what is against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you don’t do what you want.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity,
20 idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions,
21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I tell you about these things in advance—as I told you before—that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.
24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 Since we live by the Spirit, we must also follow the Spirit.
26 We must not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
I made the TITLE so OBVIOUS, so that even you would know I was HERE to encourage, like minded BELIEVERS.
It is BIBLICAL, that I encourage Like Minded Believers, and most Non-Charismatic Churches would agree with my Study:
Romans 15:20 (GWT)
20 My goal was to spread the Good News where the name of Christ was not known.
I didn't want to build on a foundation which others had laid.
Matthew 28:19-20 (HCSB)
19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
So why are you even HERE ? ? ?
Titus 3:9-11 (HCSB)
9 But avoid foolish debates, genealogies, quarrels, and disputes about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
10 Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sins, being self-condemned.
That is your Second Warning, the first warning was opening Sentence of my Study.
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LISTEN UP. I did not say that, I said it was learned behavior or psychological phenomena, a Counterfeit of tongues. That truly is WHAT I BELIEVE. That being case, how do you know that Satan or a demon, can not control your tongue or private prayer language, WHEN PETER had his mouth controlled by SATAN, in a KNOWN LANGUAGE, while standing RIGHT NEXT TO THE LORD ? ? HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE IMMUNE ?
Matthew 16:22-23 (HCSB)
22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, “Oh no, Lord! This will never happen to You!”
23 But He turned and told Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me because you’re not thinking about God’s concerns, but man’s.”
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Let me paraphrase:
Mark 3
A House Divided
(Matthew 12:22-30; Luke 11:14-23)
20Then Jesus went home, and once again a crowd gathered, so that He and His disciples could not even eat. 21When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, “He is out of His mind.”
22And the scribes who had come down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and, “By the prince of the demons He works His gifts.”
23So Jesus called them together and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? 24If a kingdom is divided against itself, it cannot stand. 25If a house is divided against itself, it cannot stand. 26And if Satan is divided and rises against himself, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27Indeed, no one can enter a strong man’s house to steal his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can plunder his house.
The Unpardonable Sin
(Matthew 12:31-32)
28Truly I tell you, the sons of men will be forgiven all sins and blasphemies, as many as they utter. 29But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.”
30Jesus made this statement because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”
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Sorry dude
Not speaking in tongues is not a game-ender.
Saying everyone who does is demonic, is.
Those ain't my words. I'm just the messenger.
Mark 3
A House Divided
(Matthew 12:22-30; Luke 11:14-23)
20Then Jesus went home, and once again a crowd gathered, so that He and His disciples could not even eat. 21When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, “He is out of His mind.”
22And the scribes who had come down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and, “By the prince of the demons He works His gifts.”
23So Jesus called them together and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? 24If a kingdom is divided against itself, it cannot stand. 25If a house is divided against itself, it cannot stand. 26And if Satan is divided and rises against himself, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27Indeed, no one can enter a strong man’s house to steal his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can plunder his house.
The Unpardonable Sin
(Matthew 12:31-32)
28Truly I tell you, the sons of men will be forgiven all sins and blasphemies, as many as they utter. 29But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.”
30Jesus made this statement because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”
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Sorry dude
Not speaking in tongues is not a game-ender.
Saying everyone who does is demonic, is.
Those ain't my words. I'm just the messenger.