What is falling away as mentioned in Hebrews 6?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,602
13,861
113
I am not saying he does not use his living interpretation the Bible now that we have it in full. But not adding any new revelations called private interpretation to confirm a matter the filling of the Holy Spirit to include healings tongue, baptism , or any other thing visible to the eye .

Private interpretations that give the illusion of a source of faith are used as win win even id proven wrong needed to support some doctrine not found in the Bible. They are simply used to widen the authority of God's word as a oral tradition of men who refuse to hear prophecy.
If you think that is what I mean or believe, you haven't understood a thing I've written. You keep repeating the same blather as though you're talking to a new person. You and I have been discussing this for several months, and sadly, this post suggests you haven't learned anything.
 

Chester

Senior Member
May 23, 2016
4,319
1,448
113
What is this? Where did you get that line of mine? Did you make it up?
LOL! I was trying to edit that line and wound up deleting it and I guess meanwhile you responded to it! :D
 
Mar 29, 2019
40
16
8
Yes loss of salvation was the point

We repent to get saved, Not being able to be renewed to repentance means resaved
We don't do anything but BELIEVE the gospel of Christ to receive eternal life. The second we believe and trust in Jesus (His deity and His finished work on the cross) to save us, we are justified as righteous unto God, sanctified and sealed by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit convicts us of our sin and sanctification is a continuing process throughout our lives as we become mature Christians, walking in God's light and growing in His holy word.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
NO IT WASNT! Please read carefully and yes I shouted. I thought it might help.
It did not help

Repentance is a salvation term. As is falling away,

All the yelling will nt change that
 

stonesoffire

Poetic Member
Nov 24, 2013
10,665
1,829
113
It did not help

Repentance is a salvation term. As is falling away,

All the yelling will nt change that
I see. In looking at the words in Greek, I began to see a different picture than what we have heard. What I meant was my post has nothing to do with lost salvation EG. I think Deade was referring to it too, but could be wrong.

Try looking at the words with your concordance.

However, I also believe that the goodness of the Lord in saving us by faith in His blood sacrifice frees His keeping power to be more active in our life. We are more apt to increase by meditation in the Word if we are secure in Jesus. But, if we aren't secure, we will be under the weight of condemnation.

Also more apt to walk with Him daily. Not run and hide like A&E.
 

Blik

Senior Member
Dec 6, 2016
7,312
2,428
113
We don't do anything but BELIEVE the gospel of Christ to receive eternal life. The second we believe and trust in Jesus (His deity and His finished work on the cross) to save us, we are justified as righteous unto God, sanctified and sealed by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit convicts us of our sin and sanctification is a continuing process throughout our lives as we become mature Christians, walking in God's light and growing in His holy word.
Salvation has three steps, not just one. First is faith in Christ and His Father and in all they promise and say, 2 is repentnce of our sins and taking them to His as Christ paid for them. We accept that Christ washes them away. 3. We put on the body of Christ for we love Christ and follow Him. Our sins are gone, paid for, and we live a saved life. When we can't (even Paul said he couldn't) we take any new sin to Christ for His forgiveness for we are living a new life in Christ.
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,171
3,699
113
Hebrews was written to a group of first-century Christians (beginning of Church Age) who were in danger of giving up as many new converts found themselves being tested
Agree with everything after this, but I disagree with your view of the audience. What’s your take on Hebrews 6, the passage in question?
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,171
3,699
113
certain men have crept in, sowing division and bringing in new doctrines. all the promises of God are in Jesus Christ

2 Corinthians 1:20
For no matter how many promises God has made, they are "Yes" in Christ. And so through him the "Amen" is spoken by us to the glory of God.


the promise to Abraham is to his seed, who is Christ, and all in Christ inherit the promises:

Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


there is no more divisions between jew and gentile(gal 3:28) there is one new man in Christ.

Ephesians 2:11-17
Therefore remember that formerly you who are Gentiles in the flesh and called uncircumcised by the so-called circumcision (that done in the body by human hands)— remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.


For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He extinguished their hostility.

He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

he who has ears let him hear.
Lord open hearts and minds to the truth. let your truth shout from the housetops with a silent thunder, deliver us, lead us into all truth. amen.
And there are many promises God has given to His physical people Israel.
 
Oct 31, 2015
2,290
588
113
You have some good ideas here, but you are missing that the verbs in verse 6 are present participles and occur at the same time as the main verb "to renew". It is impossible to renew them to repentance while they are crucifying again . . . and putting to an open shame . . . If you want to renew them to repentance you must first deal with them the sin they are doing (crucifying again and putting to an open shame) and then you can renew them to repentance. But you cannot renew them to repentance while at the same time they are doing these sins.

Renewing them to repentance again.


if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. Hebrews 6:6


They have departed from Christ of their own free will.


Once this occurs it’s impossible to renew the to repentance again.



JLB
 

Chester

Senior Member
May 23, 2016
4,319
1,448
113
R

Once this occurs it’s impossible to renew the to repentance again.
JLB
Just finish Paul's thought -- It is impossible to renew them to repentance again while they are crucifying Christ and putting him to an open shame.
 
Mar 29, 2019
40
16
8
Agree with everything after this, but I disagree with your view of the audience. What’s your take on Hebrews 6, the passage in question?
The first-century readers of Hebrews were stalled in the beginning stages of their Christian experience (the elementary principles of Christ). In using the word "leaving," the writer does not urge them to abandon what they have learned but to move forward to reach the next stage of spiritual development (5:11, 12). Hebrews 6:4-6 - The sense here is that if the things listed have happened and people still fall away, then there is no hope they can be restored to faith, because they have utterly and consciously rejected Christ. The argument is that if those people could fall away, then to renew them again to repentance would be impossible unless Christ were to die a second time. Such an act would bring Him open shame and make His work of not infinite value. I must add that many Christians can fall into a backslidden state at times for various reasons, but we must never assume that they were never saved to begin with. We have no way of knowing how the Holy Spirit is working in any person's life. Phillippians 1:6 tells us: Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ. Also, Hebrews 12:6: "For those whom the Lord loves He chastens, and He scourges every son whom he receives." Just as a parent disciplines and trains up a child the way they should go, so does our Father in Heaven. And, just as a child rebels at times against their parents, so do Christians rebel against God's commandments, but that does not make them unbelievers or unsaved. Parents don't stop loving their children when they are disobedient and our Heavenly Father doesn't stop loving us when we disobey Him, but He will surely discipline us as He molds and refines us into His masterpiece.
 
Mar 29, 2019
40
16
8
Salvation has three steps, not just one. First is faith in Christ and His Father and in all they promise and say, 2 is repentnce of our sins and taking them to His as Christ paid for them. We accept that Christ washes them away. 3. We put on the body of Christ for we love Christ and follow Him. Our sins are gone, paid for, and we live a saved life. When we can't (even Paul said he couldn't) we take any new sin to Christ for His forgiveness for we are living a new life in Christ.
Are you calling Jesus a liar when He said: "I am the resurrection and the life; he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live; and whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die." (John 11:25); or "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life." (John 5:24); "For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt." (Romans 4:3-4); "For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law but through the righteousness of faith. for if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, because the law brings about wrath; for which there is no law there is no transgression." (Romans 4:13-15) Summary: God's promise is independent of the law and rests squarely on the principle of faith. When God's people look to the law for justification instead of to God, failure to keep the law makes them guilty and they face death instead of life. God's promise of the law is uncertain, whereas His promise of faith is certain. Abraham's "faith" conquered impossibility, improbability, inadequacy, inconsistency, insecurity, and infidelity.
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
If you think that is what I mean or believe, you haven't understood a thing I've written. You keep repeating the same blather as though you're talking to a new person. You and I have been discussing this for several months, and sadly, this post suggests you haven't learned anything.
The idea of sign gifts used to confirm the work of the Holy Spirit apply to any sign seeker today this includes the sign using water to confirm or making a noise. They are private interpretations no different than that used of the Catholics as oral tradition of men that do make the word of God in respect to sign without effect. We walk by faith the unseen eternal. Signs as wonders are designed for those who refuse to believe prophecy .

Faith is the best defense.
Really? The instructions God gave Noah...who else were they to? The instructions given to Jonah...who else were they to?

Also, God has given specific promises to Israel that don't belong to the Church, but only to that nation specifically.
The instruction given Noah like all scripture is necessary to show the whole picture. Noah is used throughout the scriptures in many parables. Not just the parable in Genesis. Many lesson are drawn form it. If we say it was private to Noah we miss the mark

Which promises has he given to Israel and to which Israel that he has not given to the rest of the church ? The one he renamed Christian or the one he gave a letter of divorce? The new testament.

We do not wrestles against flesh and blood (Jew and gentile) and neither are we supported by it. Most would agree with the first but not the second

Christ informs us His flesh profits for nothing.

God used the flesh of a Jew in various parables as a metaphor to indicate faith belief in one and un-belief no faith in another. Just as he used clean animal and unclean animal as object lessons in parables.
 

John146

Senior Member
Jan 13, 2016
17,171
3,699
113
The instruction given Noah like all scripture is necessary to show the whole picture. Noah is used throughout the scriptures in many parables. Not just the parable in Genesis. Many lesson are drawn form it. If we say it was private to Noah we miss the mark
Where’s your ark? The literal message was to Noah. Can we draw lessons...of course.
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
Where’s your ark? The literal message was to Noah. Can we draw lessons...of course.

The message affects all that have ears to hear. I would say where is Mt Sinai that God said aside as Holy . Does it matter where the ark is it served it one time purpose?
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,602
13,861
113
The idea of sign gifts used to confirm the work of the Holy Spirit apply to any sign seeker today this includes the sign using water to confirm or making a noise. They are private interpretations no different than that used of the Catholics as oral tradition of men that do make the word of God in respect to sign without effect. We walk by faith the unseen eternal. Signs as wonders are designed for those who refuse to believe prophecy .
Once again, instead of responding to what I wrote, you have responded to generalities that I have not affirmed. Why do you do this? It is as though I say a sentence to you, and you turn and say a sentence to someone else, and think you have responded to me. You haven't.

Your ideas are irrelevant because they don't apply to me, nor do they apply to the claims of others on this forum.

So, Garee, please respond to my words, or don't respond to me at all.
 
Feb 28, 2016
11,311
2,974
113
Dino, you are very wise - our 'long-suffering/grief' is a part of our ministry,
don't fret Brother, each of us, in own time and way will come into
the fold...
:):)