A NON-CHARISMATIC UNDERSTANDING OF TONGUES
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Right, just like it's not my fault people can't understand the simple word "perfect." 
teleios: having reached its end, i.e. complete, by ext. perfect
Original Word: τέλειος, α, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: teleios
Phonetic Spelling: (tel'-i-os)
Definition: having reached its end, complete, perfect
Usage: perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian Character
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They are TAUGHT that anyone who does not think that Tongues are for today, is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Most of them believe that common teaching among Charismatics and Pentecostals alike. I have been been accused of blaspheming the Holy Spirit, SO MANY TIMES IN THE PAST, that I could not even come close to numbering them.
I know it has NOTHING TO DO WITH TONGUES, but they will not even read my explanation. Some one needs to teach them what it means to be guilty of the one unforgivable SIN, and how it has nothing to do with their precious holy grail, but I know from past experience almost none will receive it from me.
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I guess I should explain the difference between Pass Away and Cease.
Pass Away - is it will be CAUSED to Pass Away, and most likely that is the RETURN of CHRIST.
CEASE - is it will cease to exist on it's own, when it's purpose is fulfilled.
My understanding is, this verse describes Genuine TONGUES Purpose:
Mark 16:20 (HCSB)
20 And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word by the accompanying signs.
So when the New Testament was COMPLETE, Genuine TONGUES Ceased.
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Add to that the personal belief that these tongues are an evidence of their salvation and a huge part of their worship you have a really difficult situation to deal with. Many of the Pentecostal charismatic folks are believers who have simply been led astray. There are more than a few in every church that are not saved.
I wonder what the stats are on Pentecostal charismatic not believing in the security of the believer and the rapture. Another interesting profile would be the influence of the necessity of water baptism for salvation. Just musing.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I wonder what the stats are on Pentecostal charismatic not believing in the security of the believer and the rapture. Another interesting profile would be the influence of the necessity of water baptism for salvation. Just musing.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I can speak in tongues but presently I am not convinced it is more than babbling nonsensically so I cannot have an opinion on the topic. On the other hand I agree that it is not an issue worth arguing about. Derek Prince speaks in tongues and while I am not convinced it's a real thing, he has still been very effective in his ministry and I agree with most of his theology and enjoy his powerful teachings. I believe that he has made it into eternity and I will see him and meet him one day in eternity so that will be cool.
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Ok, flip that coin. Want to know how many times I've heard people tell me I believe you can't be saved unless you speak in tongues. Then argue black and blue with you when you tell them you don't believe that? Want to know how many times I've heard speaking in tongues is from demons? That's it's gibberish, or made up? I've heard the same thing for years. Do you understand there are two sides to it?
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See VOC? Everyone lumped in together. Does every Baptist believe OSAS and all of TULIP? No! Most mainstream Pentecostals do not believe tongues has anything to do with salvation. But we are accused of believing it because the holiness do, or some independent church does. See the other side of the coin?
Roger this is a ridiculous comment coming from someone like you. I thought you were more level headed. Where are your facts to back up this claim? See VOC? Understand where I'm coming from?
I believe in the rapture and eternal security of the believer. I believe you are eternally secure as long as remain in Him. I believe you can chose to walk away, you say they were never saved in the first place. Either way they end up in hell if they don't repent. BTW I don't know of any Pentecostals nor Charismatics that don't believe in the rapture.
Once again, VOC, are you reading along? Holiness believe in water baptism for salvation, most Pentecostals do not nor do Charismatics. Thanks Roger for making my point.
Roger this is a ridiculous comment coming from someone like you. I thought you were more level headed. Where are your facts to back up this claim? See VOC? Understand where I'm coming from?
I believe in the rapture and eternal security of the believer. I believe you are eternally secure as long as remain in Him. I believe you can chose to walk away, you say they were never saved in the first place. Either way they end up in hell if they don't repent. BTW I don't know of any Pentecostals nor Charismatics that don't believe in the rapture.
Once again, VOC, are you reading along? Holiness believe in water baptism for salvation, most Pentecostals do not nor do Charismatics. Thanks Roger for making my point.
I would agree not a salvation issue .The matter is more of how can we hear God through prophecy . The sign reflects those who do not hear and therefore refuse to believe prophecy being warned yet they will not hear. .
Not a salvation issue but one that cannot be ignored it effects any what some call "sign gifts". Two words that are not used together to represent a blessing. (No such thing we walk by faith, the unseen, eternal ) If it is not corrected with tongues as with other spiritual unseen gifts it can be turned upside down and other oral tradition of those who seek after signs to confirm the Holy Spirit is working are added. (falling back slain in the Spirit, Holy laughter, Holy crying etc.) No sign gift. No need.
Not a salvation issue but one that cannot be ignored it effects any what some call "sign gifts". Two words that are not used together to represent a blessing. (No such thing we walk by faith, the unseen, eternal ) If it is not corrected with tongues as with other spiritual unseen gifts it can be turned upside down and other oral tradition of those who seek after signs to confirm the Holy Spirit is working are added. (falling back slain in the Spirit, Holy laughter, Holy crying etc.) No sign gift. No need.
What does the holiness do? Who are they ?
Most mainstream Christians don't believe the rosary has any thing to do with salvation. But recognize it as a tool of the father of lies for widening the authority of all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) . We serve one teaching master, as it is written, no signs is the other side of the coin .
Most mainstream Christians don't believe the rosary has any thing to do with salvation. But recognize it as a tool of the father of lies for widening the authority of all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) . We serve one teaching master, as it is written, no signs is the other side of the coin .
