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You make big assumptions, speaking for myself I would definitely report no matter who it was directed towards.
Even if this was a moderated secular discussion board I would still disagree and report.
If the person had stated I was an idiot, stupid or anything else I would not have reported, to me while it still may be personal it still does not even come close.
Even if this was a moderated secular discussion board I would still disagree and report.
If the person had stated I was an idiot, stupid or anything else I would not have reported, to me while it still may be personal it still does not even come close.
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As long as we realize Grace came first or we would only have the law. We can have faith in something real only because the Lord showed us the Grace first. Not even Abraham was saved by works. No he had faith in the Grace of the almighty way before anybody ever heard of Nazareth. He had faith that God would keep his promise too. It was counted as righteousness. Thousands of years before the final blood sacrifice. Or the proof of the resurrection.
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Hi UG, mercy, mercy, let it be known to "all", that coarse foul language will not be tolerated no matter who it is directed at. Remember Mom and Dad said to always say "please and thank you", try a little of that for a change.
Abuse of any kind needs to be stopped in its tracks before it has time to escalate.
Psalm139:21-24
21) Do I not hate those who hate You, O LORD,
and detest those who rise against You?
22) I hate them with perfect hatred;
I count them as my enemies.
23) Search me, O God, and know my heart;
test me and know my concerns.
24) See if there is any offensive way in me;
lead me in the way everlasting.
Abuse of any kind needs to be stopped in its tracks before it has time to escalate.
Psalm139:21-24
21) Do I not hate those who hate You, O LORD,
and detest those who rise against You?
22) I hate them with perfect hatred;
I count them as my enemies.
23) Search me, O God, and know my heart;
test me and know my concerns.
24) See if there is any offensive way in me;
lead me in the way everlasting.
[quoting from commentary on James 2:26, for proper context]
"[…] the Holy Spirit now illustrates through the case of Abraham and Rahab, so different from each other, the one the Father of the faithful, the other the harlot of Jericho. The works of both bear witness to the character of true faith which produced them. In the case of Abraham he offered up his only son. Of Abraham it was said “he believed God.” That he acted as he did, in unquestioning and unhesitating obedience, was the proof that he believed God. What he did was the seal put on his faith, by which he was justified before God. Rahab also believed, and her faith was demonstrated when she received the spies, hid them and associated herself with the people of God, while she separated herself from her own people. Thus faith was seen as a perfect faith, as the true faith, by works. This is what the Holy Spirit teaches through James. In Romans justification before God is taught, which is by faith only. James does not say that our works justify us before God; such are not needed before an omniscient God, for He sees the faith of the heart, which man does not see. It is in exercise with regard to Him, by trust in His Word, in Himself, by receiving His testimony in spite of everything within and without--this true faith God sees and knows. But when our fellow-men ask, show me, then that faith shows itself by works. It is our justification before man. The argument is concluded by the terse comparison: “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” "
--Gaebelein, Commentary on James 2
[end quoting; source: Bible Hub; bold and underline mine]
"[…] the Holy Spirit now illustrates through the case of Abraham and Rahab, so different from each other, the one the Father of the faithful, the other the harlot of Jericho. The works of both bear witness to the character of true faith which produced them. In the case of Abraham he offered up his only son. Of Abraham it was said “he believed God.” That he acted as he did, in unquestioning and unhesitating obedience, was the proof that he believed God. What he did was the seal put on his faith, by which he was justified before God. Rahab also believed, and her faith was demonstrated when she received the spies, hid them and associated herself with the people of God, while she separated herself from her own people. Thus faith was seen as a perfect faith, as the true faith, by works. This is what the Holy Spirit teaches through James. In Romans justification before God is taught, which is by faith only. James does not say that our works justify us before God; such are not needed before an omniscient God, for He sees the faith of the heart, which man does not see. It is in exercise with regard to Him, by trust in His Word, in Himself, by receiving His testimony in spite of everything within and without--this true faith God sees and knows. But when our fellow-men ask, show me, then that faith shows itself by works. It is our justification before man. The argument is concluded by the terse comparison: “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” "
--Gaebelein, Commentary on James 2
[end quoting; source: Bible Hub; bold and underline mine]
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She thinks I am too hard on people. And I am that way with everyone.
When in fact it has only been a few, and I am not the only one frusted with these few. The problem is one of them agrees wit her so she thinks he is defending her. When he is not..
You and I have had disagreements, and some have gotten heated. But you know I am not against you.. Same with stones..
If yru going to lie about others, attack, belittle berate and all the stuff some of these people do. I am going to do what everyone here should do and confront you.. Sadly, I think some do not want to ruffle feathers. So I can appear to be hatefull. When I am just calling out a sinner.
When in fact it has only been a few, and I am not the only one frusted with these few. The problem is one of them agrees wit her so she thinks he is defending her. When he is not..
You and I have had disagreements, and some have gotten heated. But you know I am not against you.. Same with stones..
If yru going to lie about others, attack, belittle berate and all the stuff some of these people do. I am going to do what everyone here should do and confront you.. Sadly, I think some do not want to ruffle feathers. So I can appear to be hatefull. When I am just calling out a sinner.
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I think he meant "faith IN" (not "is"--you've mis-read him)… IN something not-/never-yet seen, like here:
Romans 4 -
17 as it has been written: “I have made you a father of many nations.”—before God whom he believed, the One giving life to the dead and calling into being the things not even existing, 18 who against hope, in hope believed, for him to become the father of many nations, according to that having been spoken, “So shall your offspring be.” 19 And not having become weak in the faith, he considered his body already having become dead, being about a hundred years old, and the lifelessness of Sarah’s womb.
20 Yet he did not waver through unbelief at the promise of God, but was strengthened in faith, having given glory to God, 21 and having been fully assured that what He had promised, He is also able to do. 22 Therefore also “it was credited to him unto righteousness.”
Romans 4 -
17 as it has been written: “I have made you a father of many nations.”—before God whom he believed, the One giving life to the dead and calling into being the things not even existing, 18 who against hope, in hope believed, for him to become the father of many nations, according to that having been spoken, “So shall your offspring be.” 19 And not having become weak in the faith, he considered his body already having become dead, being about a hundred years old, and the lifelessness of Sarah’s womb.
20 Yet he did not waver through unbelief at the promise of God, but was strengthened in faith, having given glory to God, 21 and having been fully assured that what He had promised, He is also able to do. 22 Therefore also “it was credited to him unto righteousness.”
What is interesting to me, is if I describe what scripture says we should be, how we should behave,
what knowing Jesus means in our hearts, how you deal with insults, need, service, people get angry.
The connection should be obvious. Humbleness comes before repentance and turning to walk in His
ways. Anger comes with sin and rebellion, daring to suggest God expects us to be like His son or be
walking towards this goal. What greater pride statement can their be than a "christian" gets angry
about being encouraged to show the fruits of the Spirit. This is truly sad and tragic, because it declares
unresolved issues in their hearts that if they knew Jesus they would lay before Him.
Also imagine a believer who gets so angry hearing the word of God being declared they cannot face
reading it. Is that a heart after Gods heart, or someone who does not know the meaning of conviction
of sin and repentance and cleansing within?
11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.
13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible,
14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
15 Be very careful, then, how you live--not as unwise but as wise,
16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil.
Ephesians 5:11-16
what knowing Jesus means in our hearts, how you deal with insults, need, service, people get angry.
The connection should be obvious. Humbleness comes before repentance and turning to walk in His
ways. Anger comes with sin and rebellion, daring to suggest God expects us to be like His son or be
walking towards this goal. What greater pride statement can their be than a "christian" gets angry
about being encouraged to show the fruits of the Spirit. This is truly sad and tragic, because it declares
unresolved issues in their hearts that if they knew Jesus they would lay before Him.
Also imagine a believer who gets so angry hearing the word of God being declared they cannot face
reading it. Is that a heart after Gods heart, or someone who does not know the meaning of conviction
of sin and repentance and cleansing within?
11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.
13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible,
14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
15 Be very careful, then, how you live--not as unwise but as wise,
16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil.
Ephesians 5:11-16
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