Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine
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Be careful how you use the word....saved.
Remember ...it is appointed unto man once to die (physical death) and then the judgement.
We are .....born again ......while on this earth...living a righteous life....hopefully.
G-d will decide if we are....saved.
I doubt He appreciates some folks using the term ...saved...note the pass tense....on this earth thereby trying to negate His judgement.
The prolific signs on the fence posts around the word....have you been saved....obviously not if I can read the sign .........for I am still alive.
Remember ...it is appointed unto man once to die (physical death) and then the judgement.
We are .....born again ......while on this earth...living a righteous life....hopefully.
G-d will decide if we are....saved.
I doubt He appreciates some folks using the term ...saved...note the pass tense....on this earth thereby trying to negate His judgement.
The prolific signs on the fence posts around the word....have you been saved....obviously not if I can read the sign .........for I am still alive.
You are missing a point...I am afraid.
The Bible tells us to ......fear G-d. Further...., the Bible tells us that we would be better off if we had never knew and never made a commitment than to backslide.
What did the church you speak of say that was not included in G-d's word.
(Sounds like some new age religion folks has swayed you...give it better thought..it's your eternal salvation ....not anyone else's..by your actions).
Do not be persuaded by the new age religion types that want to..."tickle your ears and tell you what you want to hear".
If you are.... born again.... and are living a righteous life since repentance and baptism...what would you be afraid of?
Give that point careful thought.
The Bible tells us to ......fear G-d. Further...., the Bible tells us that we would be better off if we had never knew and never made a commitment than to backslide.
What did the church you speak of say that was not included in G-d's word.
(Sounds like some new age religion folks has swayed you...give it better thought..it's your eternal salvation ....not anyone else's..by your actions).
Do not be persuaded by the new age religion types that want to..."tickle your ears and tell you what you want to hear".
If you are.... born again.... and are living a righteous life since repentance and baptism...what would you be afraid of?
Give that point careful thought.
The pastor obviously uses fear and guilt as a teaching tool and certain members chide others to get with the program. Yeah, horrid place to be. The message may have been spiritual but the delivery was harsh, ineffective and would tend to alienate the congregation and stifle spiritual growth. No, you know as well as I do that I was not referring to the bible in my response so let's don't go there, OK? There is church teaching and spiritual teaching, the two are often at odds with one another.
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Fear of God takes the form of respect of God. One should not be afraid of God because He is a God of love and wants us to have life and have it more abundantly. He doesn't anxiety wait for us to screw up to drop the hammer on us. Someone who believes that fears God for what they think He will do to them but don't 'fear' God in the sense that they respect God.
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May I be able to translate this language into a different frame of reference.
God saves us, but asks us to respond.
Our response needs to be driven from a cleansed, purified heart.
So if the believer is not purified, then it is sin which responds and therefore fails.
If the believers is purified and dwells in Christ, it is Christ responding through them.
So here the distinction is response from the action of God on the heart of the believer.
Another faith says, we are saved separate from a heart change, and any connection with
our actions, is a statement of unbelief in the need for God alone to act.
So in this world self, is seen as innately evil and incapable of anything good even when
cleansed. So with this view, anyone claiming to be purified and make clean so acts
of righteousness can be performed is denying God and being self righteous.
This is a view, but not of scripture. Paul declares we can be Holy and walk Holy.
For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thess 4:7
Holiness is only achieved by being cleansed and purified, and having Christ move within us.
The excuse that is used for these verses is it is referring to Christ in us, while we are fallen
sinners still sinning, we have a dualistic experience of life, some actions driven by Christ,
holy and some by the flesh, sinful, so we can be viewed as two different people.
God saves us, but asks us to respond.
Our response needs to be driven from a cleansed, purified heart.
So if the believer is not purified, then it is sin which responds and therefore fails.
If the believers is purified and dwells in Christ, it is Christ responding through them.
So here the distinction is response from the action of God on the heart of the believer.
Another faith says, we are saved separate from a heart change, and any connection with
our actions, is a statement of unbelief in the need for God alone to act.
So in this world self, is seen as innately evil and incapable of anything good even when
cleansed. So with this view, anyone claiming to be purified and make clean so acts
of righteousness can be performed is denying God and being self righteous.
This is a view, but not of scripture. Paul declares we can be Holy and walk Holy.
For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
1 Thess 4:7
Holiness is only achieved by being cleansed and purified, and having Christ move within us.
The excuse that is used for these verses is it is referring to Christ in us, while we are fallen
sinners still sinning, we have a dualistic experience of life, some actions driven by Christ,
holy and some by the flesh, sinful, so we can be viewed as two different people.
Adams sinful nature could only be thrown away if it was a thing.
If Adams sinful nature is man living separate from God, it is a state of being that can only
be resolved with Jesus, ie God dwelling with us and in us.
Morality only exists because of rights.
If one has a right to something it is not immoral to possess that thing.
So if I own everything, me using it could not be immoral.
This is why when we are the focus and we claim ownership on other peoples things
we could claim in our world everything is actually ours so taking it is not immoral, while
in reality we have no such claim.
When you start to reduce morality down, it is God being the focus that brings a right
perspective and why we living separate from Him will always corrupt our way.
If Adams sinful nature is man living separate from God, it is a state of being that can only
be resolved with Jesus, ie God dwelling with us and in us.
Morality only exists because of rights.
If one has a right to something it is not immoral to possess that thing.
So if I own everything, me using it could not be immoral.
This is why when we are the focus and we claim ownership on other peoples things
we could claim in our world everything is actually ours so taking it is not immoral, while
in reality we have no such claim.
When you start to reduce morality down, it is God being the focus that brings a right
perspective and why we living separate from Him will always corrupt our way.
It is said that, according the NT Greek, whenever Paul talks about sin, he is almost always using it as a noun, which means precisely, people, place, or thing.
Only in very few instances he used sin as a verb, which is action, most famously that verse, "shall we sin more so that grace would increase"
Only in very few instances he used sin as a verb, which is action, most famously that verse, "shall we sin more so that grace would increase"
I would suggest one needs to go deeper.
How do we make decisions and what is it out God we resist?
The nature of existence itself is the affirmation of our rights and our existence as if the world is actively denying
it. So when we see God what is our reaction, fear, fight or flee. So our very nature is to reject Him as a threat.
And in many ways we are right. One sin or evil deed is worthy of His judgement.
Without communion or knowledge of Him, this will always be our first reaction.
Equally every suggestion He proposes to us, we will filter, question and fit within our
own frame of reference, centred on what we want and how we view the world.
This leads us to rebellion and conflict, innate within our very outlooks.
And if He holds out love and sympathy we will knock His hand out of the way daring
to suggest we need any help, that our way of coping is in some ways flawed.
And if you go deeper you find a hurt lost lonely soul trying to make do in an aggressive
dangerous world. And below this is a loving person, who has given up, and few if any
know and care for this individual.
So how lost are we? Completely. And how easy is it to find the real person within?
The hardest thing possible.
How do we make decisions and what is it out God we resist?
The nature of existence itself is the affirmation of our rights and our existence as if the world is actively denying
it. So when we see God what is our reaction, fear, fight or flee. So our very nature is to reject Him as a threat.
And in many ways we are right. One sin or evil deed is worthy of His judgement.
Without communion or knowledge of Him, this will always be our first reaction.
Equally every suggestion He proposes to us, we will filter, question and fit within our
own frame of reference, centred on what we want and how we view the world.
This leads us to rebellion and conflict, innate within our very outlooks.
And if He holds out love and sympathy we will knock His hand out of the way daring
to suggest we need any help, that our way of coping is in some ways flawed.
And if you go deeper you find a hurt lost lonely soul trying to make do in an aggressive
dangerous world. And below this is a loving person, who has given up, and few if any
know and care for this individual.
So how lost are we? Completely. And how easy is it to find the real person within?
The hardest thing possible.
God doesn't ask people to respond.
God CAUSES people to respond.
We don't cleanse and purify our own hearts, the Lord Jesus Christ cleanses and purifies us.
Everything that you think is a pre-requisite for being a Christian and being saved is a Gift from God and does not come from the will or imagination of man.
So you either have faith that it is God that causes you to respond and purifies you, therefore saving you and keeping you saved...
Or you have faith in self that it is you that makes all the right decisions and purifies your own heart, therefore saving yourself and keeping yourself saved...
Add as many words as you would like to these simple statements but the simplicity stands.
God CAUSES people to respond.
We don't cleanse and purify our own hearts, the Lord Jesus Christ cleanses and purifies us.
Everything that you think is a pre-requisite for being a Christian and being saved is a Gift from God and does not come from the will or imagination of man.
So you either have faith that it is God that causes you to respond and purifies you, therefore saving you and keeping you saved...
Or you have faith in self that it is you that makes all the right decisions and purifies your own heart, therefore saving yourself and keeping yourself saved...
Add as many words as you would like to these simple statements but the simplicity stands.