Third And Fourth Dementional Living

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Noblemen

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By Cliff Gardner

Unless the inhabitants of the world have been birthed by our heavenly Father, “born again,” they are limited to third-dimensional (terrestrial, earth-bound, materialistic) thinking and living. All human-originated knowledge has to do with life in the third dimension. Fourth dimensional knowledge, spirit knowledge, comes only by revelation. Humans can contemplate the fourth dimension, but can only speculate on it.

No concrete meaning can be derived from it except by revelation from an entity that resides in the fourth dimension.
The spirit world is divided between good and evil—the good being from the one true God, and the evil from the rebel, false and self-appointed god, Satan.

The rebel spirit reveals deception to the fallen human race. This revelation knowledge comes in a form that appeals to and feeds the original lie of Eden that “ye shall be as gods.” It says man has independence and is basically self existent, that he is his own source of good, that he is the highest order of evolution, and that, given enough information and education, he can progress to express the deity he is. He believes he has life in himself and if any outside help is needed, it is merely for assistance. Also, the deception says the human race will take control of the universe as man is refined by the evolutionary process.

In the lie, there is a sort of caste system with the elite ruling over the ignorant masses. The appeal to those at the upper level is for control and manipulation, while to those at the bottom it is for the gratification of all the base animal passions.
Caught in the deception, the fallen human race pursues the fulfillment it longs for but can never achieve. The opiates of temporary pleasure and gratification become the reason for existence.

The lie out of the darkness poses as true light, and so man is caught in the loop of deception. There is only one source of pure light with no shadows or shades of darkness. There is only one source of
pure, unadulterated truth, no shadowy shades of meaning or half-truths. It comes from the one, true God and is made manifest (knowable) by the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

God has a plan whereby He purposes to make Himself known to “whosoever will” respond to His drawing by the Holy Spirit.
God (the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ), too, works in the realm of fourth-dimensional revelation, but His activity is all true. He uses no deception, half-truths or coercion that marks the operation of the Evil One.

His plan encompasses the whole human race, with no exceptions; again it is for “whosoever will.” His source of communicable truth is the living Word—His Son, Jesus Christ. In His Son, there is no place for so-called religious practice whereby
man, by himself, improves himself. He did not merely bring newer and better information.

He brought life because He is life, the only true life. He did not give us a better doctrinal statement or other belief systems. In fact, He is all truth in person. Outside of Him, as truth in person, all statements of truth are flawed and are held to be invalid by the Father.

In other words, we are not of the truth because of our doctrinal statement; we are of the truth if we are partakers of Him who is the Truth and He is our only true life!
 

tourist

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It is a sad thing to have to watch a person that you care about suffering from dementia.
 

Dino246

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It’s also sad, though not in the same sense, when a well-meaning Christian writes on a topic without doing even a sniff of research to ensure his use of terminology is sound.

The fourth dimension is time, not spirit.
 

tourist

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It’s also sad, though not in the same sense, when a well-meaning Christian writes on a topic without doing even a sniff of research to ensure his use of terminology is sound.

The fourth dimension is time, not spirit.
There is also a fifth dimension that is known to man. It's an area we call the Twilight Zone.
 

Lanolin

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Regarding the caste system isnt that the case in most all mankind society you see it, class divisions especially pronounced in Britain, India, USA theories like 'the Bell curve', survival of the fittest, eugenics, 'untouchables' 'aristocracy' 'aryans' 'proletariats and bourgeouise' 'colonialism' 'feminism' 'white privelige'

When in Jesus we are all made one with one blood.
 

Dino246

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Regarding the caste system isnt that the case in most all mankind society you see it, class divisions especially pronounced in Britain, India, USA theories like 'the Bell curve', survival of the fittest, eugenics, 'untouchables' 'aristocracy' 'aryans' 'proletariats and bourgeouise' 'colonialism' 'feminism' 'white privelige'

When in Jesus we are all made one with one blood.
The bell curve merely illustrates the normal distribution of a set of data. It is an expression of attributes, not of intrinsic value. Examine almost any characteristic and you will find a larger concentration of "average", and smaller concentrations of "lesser" and "greater".
 

SIMON55

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It is Foolishness to believe you must look to other dimensions to see that which is all around you and lives inside of you.
If your capacity is so diminished that you fail to see the creator everywhere outwardly and you do not instinctually recognize his calling you inwardly then I feel for you and pray for you because you are dead.
Because God is the source of all life and he is everywhere!
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AxeElf

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It is a sad thing to have to watch a person that you care about suffering from dementia.
Hee hee!

Or to read their posts...

The fourth dimension is time, not spirit.
I wonder how the dimension of spirit might be measured...?

The Earth is four light-blessings from the Sun?
 

SIMON55

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I have good news for you all dimensions belong to God.
Everything which you can see and everything which self imposed blindness prevents you from seeing . And all the unseen dimensions you worry yourself over.
Everything you or anyone else thinks they have or own
Is Gods....it's his not yours, he even gave you the abilty to have a thought.....so those belong to him also!😀
Be a good steward!!!
 

SIMON55

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There is also a fifth dimension that is known to man. It's an area we call the Twilight Zone.

This is True....except the new agers missed all the episodes they got their message about it from the music group 5th dimension. ....
So they prescribe to.....
" This is the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius "
And believe they are going to metamorphose into an enlightened spiritual being just because all the stellar heavens are aligning correctly for it...so yes they have found the Twilight Zone they are convinced of their own self rapturism abilities! Capture+_2019-03-11-12-43-29-1.png Capture+_2019-03-11-13-08-42-1.png
 

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This is True....except the new agers missed all the episodes they got their message about it from the music group 5th dimension. ....
So they prescribe to.....
" This is the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius "
And believe they are going to metamorphose into an enlightened spiritual being just because all the stellar heavens are aligning correctly for it...so yes they have found the Twilight Zone they are convinced of their own self rapturism abilities! View attachment 195784 View attachment 195785
That's where the new-agers went wrong, they're watching and listening to the wrong type of crap as opposed to the right type of crap.
 

SIMON55

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That's where the new-agers went wrong, they're watching and listening to the wrong type of crap as opposed to the right type of crap.

No doubt.....just search all the available illustrations/ images....and mumbo jumbo about spiritual enlightenment is selling all the antichrists online some even put Christ/false christ metamorphysis into the mix....many deceptions does the prince of the air have he even employs aliens......lol.
 
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It is Foolishness to believe you must look to other dimensions to see that which is all around you and lives inside of you.
If your capacity is so diminished that you fail to see the creator everywhere outwardly and you do not instinctually recognize his calling you inwardly then I feel for you and pray for you because you are dead.
Because God is the source of all life and he is everywhere!
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Amen.... we walk by faith the unseen eternal .Not by sight as that seen the temporal.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which "are not seen": for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 

Angela53510

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From the OP!

"Fourth dimensional knowledge, spirit knowledge, comes only by revelation. Humans can contemplate the fourth dimension, but can only speculate on it."

The best way to understand "revelation" is to read the Bible 20 or 30 times. God reveals himself as Father, Son and Spirit. He also reveals the plan of Salvation in the Bible. God shows us how to walk/live (Greek peripateo) with him, and he reveals his glory in the Word!

There is never a need to only speculate on spiritual knowledge. God wrote down so much for us! And when we have a solid foundation in the Word of God, he will reveal himself even more.

Has the OP ever read the entire Bible? I would encourage you to do so! It has helped me grow tremendously as a follower of Jesus Christ!
 

SIMON55

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Amen.... we walk by faith the unseen eternal .Not by sight as that seen the temporal.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which "are not seen": for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Keep reading till you can see what you have read.
Then you can use your eyes to walk in the clearly seen
Amen.... we walk by faith the unseen eternal .Not by sight as that seen the temporal.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which "are not seen": for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Well keep reading till you can see what you have read.
It gets easier when you can use your eyes to walk also
Blind ears can be clumbsy sometimes......and painful walking on your ears!!!

" For even the power of the eternal Godhead is clearly seen"
The way it works is you keep reading it until you can see what it says.......once the clear vision comes it doesn't matter what clumbsy ears here.😀
 
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It’s also sad, though not in the same sense, when a well-meaning Christian writes on a topic without doing even a sniff of research to ensure his use of terminology is sound.

The fourth dimension is time, not spirit.
The truth is there is no such thing as time, for it does not exist as a fundamental principle of the universe, and is not related to anything, but is made up out of thin air.

Time is only a measuring tool to measure the start of creation until the heaven and the earth pass away, and then no time.

And the sun going up, and down, and coming up again, is the measuring tool, for it constitutes a day, like a ruler to measure, and an odometer to measure, and a thermometer to measure, and nothing more.

Before creation there is no time for there is nothing to measure, and everything is the same with no events scheduled, and after this heaven and earth pass away there is no time, and everything is the same with no events scheduled.

People say space and time as if there is some kind of connection there, but there is not.

Time does not exist, but it is something God uses to measure creation from start to finish, and something we use to measure events on earth.

The sun is the measuring tool, and time is not a universal principle.

No matter how fast you go, or how slow you go, it has nothing to do with changing time, it only means you are going faster, or slower, but time will go on the same, unless you speed up the sun, or slow it down.

When this heaven and earth pass there is no time, for the sun is gone, the measuring tool, and the New Jerusalem does not have a sun, but the Lamb is the light, as God shines out of the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
 

crossnote

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This is True....except the new agers missed all the episodes they got their message about it from the music group 5th dimension. ....
So they prescribe to.....
" This is the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius "
And believe they are going to metamorphose into an enlightened spiritual being just because all the stellar heavens are aligning correctly for it...so yes they have found the Twilight Zone they are convinced of their own self rapturism abilities! View attachment 195784 View attachment 195785
Why not 'on stage'?...

 

tourist

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The truth is there is no such thing as time, for it does not exist as a fundamental principle of the universe, and is not related to anything, but is made up out of thin air.

Time is only a measuring tool to measure the start of creation until the heaven and the earth pass away, and then no time.

And the sun going up, and down, and coming up again, is the measuring tool, for it constitutes a day, like a ruler to measure, and an odometer to measure, and a thermometer to measure, and nothing more.

Before creation there is no time for there is nothing to measure, and everything is the same with no events scheduled, and after this heaven and earth pass away there is no time, and everything is the same with no events scheduled.

People say space and time as if there is some kind of connection there, but there is not.

Time does not exist, but it is something God uses to measure creation from start to finish, and something we use to measure events on earth.

The sun is the measuring tool, and time is not a universal principle.

No matter how fast you go, or how slow you go, it has nothing to do with changing time, it only means you are going faster, or slower, but time will go on the same, unless you speed up the sun, or slow it down.

When this heaven and earth pass there is no time, for the sun is gone, the measuring tool, and the New Jerusalem does not have a sun, but the Lamb is the light, as God shines out of the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
This is from the web page of Gravity Probe regarding the connection between space and time.

What is the relationship between space and time?
Mathematically, and in accordance with relativity, they are in some sense interchangeable, but we do know that they form co-equal parts of a larger 'thing' called space-time, and it is only within space-time that the most complete understanding of the motion and properties of natural objects and phenomena can be rigorously understood by physicists. Space and time are to space-time what arms and legs are to humans. In some sense they are interchangeable, but you cannot understand 10,000 years of human history without including both arms and legs as part of the basic human condition.