Thou shalt not kill

[oldhermit]

Ok, then who gives the right to kill?

I fail to see how you could read that post and still ask that question. The revealed standard demands that a life be taken for a life. “Of every man's brother I will require the life of man. Whoever sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shred;” Genesis 9:5-6. This law was given to Noah before the nation of Israel was ever born. This law was given as a divine mandate for man to punish the murderer and was not given to a select group of people as was the Law of Moses. This is a divine mandate to reveal how man should represent the undue taking of a life.

 

[SIMON55]

I have seen ppassivsts who claim they would just sit there and watch there daughters and wives be raped and murdered in front of them before they would kill someone to protect them.
That is not a man , even animals protect their young.
If you won't lay down your life in protection of others lives.. .. You don't deserve your own life.
JESUS SAID.... NO GREATER LOVE HAS HE!!!!
If you can't understan what he meant beyond just his life then just throw your bible away... .. Because it isn't doing you any good!

 

[Garydavid]

"You shall not do murder." verse 13
I think it can be safely said that murder is a world magnitude. There is no corner of the globe where this command has not suffered violence. This commandment is laid across the entire spectrum of killing but, the command discriminates because not all killing is murder. Murder is arbitrary, willful, malicious, it is without legitimate purpose, and there is no inherent necessity for it. Murder can be either planned or spontaneous, but neither effects the nature of the action.

This is not the same thing as killing. The Lord commanded Israel to exterminate entire civilizations, even the women and children. The reason for such genocide was the wickedness of those nations that had gone after other gods and even sacrificed their own children to those deities. The Lord also installed the death penalty for a variety of capitol crimes under the Law of Moses. Even under the Noadic covenant, God decreed that anyone who was guilty of murder, his lie must also be taken by man.

The context of the meaning of murder is the will of God, not situations or circumstances. By this single commandment, God hereby legitimizes human existence and attaches meaning and value to human life. Murder is an attempt to delegitimize and devalue human life. God has said you shall not do this.

Murder is an assault on the dignity of man and the nature of God himself because man is created in the image if his Maker. It is an unwarranted violent reaction to circumstances of whatever kind. There is no such thing as the right to murder. The right of murder has not been extended to governments nor to individuals. With these commandments, God is putting a cleavage between the power to do something and the right to do something, and these are not the same thing. This cleavage is an eternal prohibition against many types of human behaviors.

Man attempts to use legal power to overturn the laws of God. Today for example, the fetus is denied protection from being murdered in the womb. From the legal point of view, the unborn has been fully delegitimized and devalued. It has been decreed by law that the fetus has no rights, not even the right to live. Thus, the power of deciding the right of life has been taken out of the hands of the Almighty and placed into human courts. The fetus has been labeled by the courts as a non-person, thus it is argued that it is not murder to kill an aggregate of protoplasm. It has been completely dehumanized. This is the rationalization of the world toward the the value of a human life verses the convenience or inconvenience of another.

This philosophy of human life has also affected the old and terminally ill who have become subject to euthanasia when life becomes burdensome or inconvenient, especially to others. They have simply been pushed aside and marginalized as having no intrinsic value. The idea is a very simple one, murder the Ten Commandments, then murder the people. We are witnesses to more than one holocaust emerging in our time. Murder is a crowning human overreach of power over the will of God. This command “You shall not commit murder” generalizes to situations where one has the power to act but not the right to act. This inherently implies that man has the power to murder, but that this power must be controlled, regulated and be made to conform to a divine will. The commandment forbids the exercise of this power to all.

A very good reply that conforms to the will of GOD. I can understand and agree. I found this as well. God bless.

God's Instruction
The children of Israel, before they demanded a king in I Samuel 8:5-8, were both a nation and a religious congregation. The human government that God ordained over Israel had both civil and religious authority. As such, many of Israel's civil laws given by God through Moses are not directly applicable today because we do not live in a church-state with God at the helm and directly bearing on the judicial process. Nonetheless, these laws still show God's intent and will concerning civil matters.
God instructed Israel about what to do when a man was killed. Numbers 35:9-28 shows that God recognizes only two classifications of killing: accidental and intentional. "Self-defense" is not even listed as a possibility! God illustrates "accidental death" as occurring when there is no intent to kill or to harm. It is accidental when there is no awareness that an action will result in the death of another. Deuteronomy 19:5 provides a clear example of such an accident: ". . . as when a man goes to the woods with his neighbor to cut timber, and his hand swings a stroke with the ax to cut down the tree, and the head slips from the handle and strikes his neighbor so that he dies."
However, when there is intent to kill or injure, God's law defines it as murder regardless of what the other person was threatening to do, about to do, or in the process of doing. If a man fires a gun with the foreknowledge that it has the potential to kill another man, it is murder. The "self-defense" category is something afforded by the law of the land, not by the law of God.

 

[SIMON55]

Ok, then who gives the right to kill?

God gives it in protection of the lives of others lives or your own.
No greater Love has he.....

 

[AuntieAnt]

Are there any exeptions to this commandment that would make it acceptable to taking ones life? I have received many different answers on this question.

As most people are posting here, murder and capital punishment are two different things. In fact, the penalty for murder IS capital punishment. Did Jesus have something to say about it? Yes, Jesus said a man was better off having a millstone tied about his neck and cast into the sea than to cause harm to a child.

There are a few other instances in the New Testament (see scriptures below) that verify how God put ruling authorities in place to keep society safe from those who have no fear of God.

Luke 17:1,2, Then He (Jesus) said to the disciples, “It is impossible that no offenses should come, but woe to him through whom they do come! 2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones."

Romans 13:1-4, "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil."

Acts 25:10-11, "But Paul said, “I am standing before Caesar’s tribunal, where I ought to be tried. I have done no wrong to the Jews, as you also very well know. 11 “If, then, I am a wrongdoer and have committed anything worthy of death, I do not refuse to die; but if none of those things is true of which these men accuse me, no one can hand me over to them. I appeal to Caesar.”

 

[Garydavid]

Ok, then who gives the right to kill?

Ok, then who gives the right to kill?

The same one that gave you the free will to lie or tell the truth.

 

[SIMON55]

A very good reply that conforms to the will of GOD. I can understand and agree. I found this as well. God bless.

God's Instruction
The children of Israel, before they demanded a king in I Samuel 8:5-8, were both a nation and a religious congregation. The human government that God ordained over Israel had both civil and religious authority. As such, many of Israel's civil laws given by God through Moses are not directly applicable today because we do not live in a church-state with God at the helm and directly bearing on the judicial process. Nonetheless, these laws still show God's intent and will concerning civil matters.
God instructed Israel about what to do when a man was killed. Numbers 35:9-28 shows that God recognizes only two classifications of killing: accidental and intentional. "Self-defense" is not even listed as a possibility! God illustrates "accidental death" as occurring when there is no intent to kill or to harm. It is accidental when there is no awareness that an action will result in the death of another. Deuteronomy 19:5 provides a clear example of such an accident: ". . . as when a man goes to the woods with his neighbor to cut timber, and his hand swings a stroke with the ax to cut down the tree, and the head slips from the handle and strikes his neighbor so that he dies."
However, when there is intent to kill or injure, God's law defines it as murder regardless of what the other person was threatening to do, about to do, or in the process of doing. If a man fires a gun with the foreknowledge that it has the potential to kill another man, it is murder. The "self-defense" category is something afforded by the law of the land, not by the law of God.

BS....read the scriptures
No greater Love......
Jesus wasn't meaning just his own life......
You dont buy daggers not to defend yourself and the strong man does not suffer his house being robbed....
bsbsbs

 

[oldhermit]

As my former life will attest, I am certainly no passivist. I suppose it depends on the circumstances. For example, if someone broke into my house with the intention of killing my wife, children, or grandchildren I would be very hard pressed not to unload a clip in him. However, if I and my family are arrested for the sake of the gospel with the expectation of dying then no, I do not have the right to resist. It should be an honor to give my live in this manner. Consider how the Christians in the first century gave not only own lives but also the lives of their families, and they did so without resistance.

 

[Garydavid]

As most people are posting here, murder and capital punishment are two different things. In fact, the penalty for murder IS capital punishment. Did Jesus have something to say about it? Yes, Jesus said a man was better off having a millstone tied about his neck and cast into the sea than to cause harm to a child.

There are a few other instances in the New Testament (see scriptures below) that verify how God put ruling authorities in place to keep society safe from those who have no fear of God.

Luke 17:1,2, Then He (Jesus) said to the disciples, “It is impossible that no offenses should come, but woe to him through whom they do come! 2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones."

Romans 13:1-4, "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil."

Acts 25:10-11, "But Paul said, “I am standing before Caesar’s tribunal, where I ought to be tried. I have done no wrong to the Jews, as you also very well know. 11 “If, then, I am a wrongdoer and have committed anything worthy of death, I do not refuse to die; but if none of those things is true of which these men accuse me, no one can hand me over to them. I appeal to Caesar.”

As far as the millstone around his neck, i always understood that to be a warning about Gods wrath.
As far as being subject to to authority willingly thats fine exept when it goes against God. We cannot serve two masters.

As my former life will attest, I am certainly no passivist. I suppose it depends on the circumstances. For example, if someone broke into my house with the intention of killing my wife, children, or grandchildren I would be very hard pressed not to unload a clip in him. However, if I and my family are arrested for the sake of the gospel with the expectation of dying then no, I do not have the right to resist. It should be an honor to give my live in this manner. Consider how the Christians in the first century gave not only own lives but also the lives of their families, and they did so without resistance.

Well said. Well said. God bless

 

[tourist]

But... the other three Gospels "take away" the words that describe Jesus healing the servant. So are the other Gospel authors guilty of the transgression of taking away from the words of the Bible?

No, the ones that wrote the actual words were faithful in doing it as directed by the Holy Spirit. There are four gospels and four unique perspectives, yet they each complement each other and contribute to the whole.

 

[tourist]

THIS IS A CHRISTIAN SITE
GET THAT PAGAN IDOL WORSHIPPING BLASPHEMER SATAN ANTICHRIST PHOTO OFF OF HERE!!!

As a member he has the right to promote his view and provide pertinent other media. Only God is truly fit and capable of passing a judgement on an individual but perhaps we have the obligation to pray for such as these as directed by the Holy Spirit. Now, I am not a supporter of this particular pope but don't really believe for a minute that he is the anti-Christ or even acts under the auspices of Satan.

 

[oldhermit]

God also provided for the right of vengeance in Numbers 35 as he laid down the law of the cities of refuge. The cities were not a refuge from justice. You could not commit a murder and expect to flee to one of the cities of refuge to escape punishment. They offered only a place to escape the avenger of blood until the offender could receive a fair trial. If the person was acquitted, this meant that the death penalty would not be pronounced upon him by the court. It did not however deny the avenger of blood his right of vengeance. All this did was protect the offender from the avenger of blood only as long as he remained within the city. Once the sitting high priest died, the offender was then free to leave the city of refuge and the avenger of blood was no longer permitted to take his life. If the offender left the protection of the city before the death of the high priest, the avenger was free to kill him with impunity when he found him.

 

[SIMON55]

As far as the millstone around his neck, i always understood that to be a warning about Gods wrath.
As far as being subject to to authority willingly thats fine exept when it goes against God. We cannot serve two masters.

Well said. Well said. God bless

Yah Gods wrath says send the murderers and child offenders to him. By way of killing them.....electricity noose drugs millstone what does it matter!!!

 

[John146]

I fail to see how you could read that post and still ask that question. The revealed standard demands that a life be taken for a life. “Of every man's brother I will require the life of man. Whoever sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shred;” Genesis 9:5-6. This law was given to Noah before the nation of Israel was ever born. This law was given as a divine mandate for man to punish the murderer and was not given to a select group of people as was the Law of Moses. This is a divine mandate to reveal how man should represent the undue taking of a life.

Shedding of blood...if a man is killed, isn’t that shedding blood? Murder or kill is not used.

Undue taking of life? Isn’t that reading into the text your personal view?

 

[SIMON55]

As a member he has the right to promote his view and provide pertinent other media. Only God is truly fit and capable of passing a judgement on an individual but perhaps we have the obligation to pray for such as these as directed by the Holy Spirit. Now, I am not a supporter of this particular pope but don't really believe for a minute that he is the anti-Christ or even acts under the auspices of Satan.

Well then you need to keep reading Daniel and you need to learn what blasphemy is and you need to learn the mixing of the Iron and clay and you need to apologize to all the saints that died for 1265 years under the littlehorn beast empire!!!!
And please learn the definition of antichrists.

 

[oldhermit]

Shedding of blood...if a man is killed, isn’t that shedding blood? Murder or kill is not used.

Undue taking of life? Isn’t that reading into the text your personal view?

You don't spend much time in the O.T. do you?

 

[John146]

I fail to see how you could read that post and still ask that question. The revealed standard demands that a life be taken for a life. “Of every man's brother I will require the life of man. Whoever sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shred;” Genesis 9:5-6. This law was given to Noah before the nation of Israel was ever born. This law was given as a divine mandate for man to punish the murderer and was not given to a select group of people as was the Law of Moses. This is a divine mandate to reveal how man should represent the undue taking of a life.

Is this still in play today after the cross? Who defines the undue taking of life? The adulterer was put to death under the OT.

 

[oldhermit]

Is this still in play today after the cross? Who defines the undue taking of life? The adulterer was put to death under the OT.

The right of taking a life for a life is power granted to governments by the Almighty. You see this mandate enforced again and again in scripture. The decree of the Lord to Noah concerning this has never changed. It was embedded into the Law of Moses. Governments exist by the will of God and we are commanded to obey those in power. Among the powers granted to government is the execution of murders. If you are just looking for some excuse to rationalize the removal of the death penalty, I am afraid you will not find it in scripture.

 

[SIMON55]

As a member he has the right to promote his view and provide pertinent other media. Only God is truly fit and capable of passing a judgement on an individual but perhaps we have the obligation to pray for such as these as directed by the Holy Spirit. Now, I am not a supporter of this particular pope but don't really believe for a minute that he is the anti-Christ or even acts under the auspices of Satan.

Any man that allows himself to be called the BLASPHEMOUS NAME OF HOLY FATHER OR VICARIOUS FILII DEI VICAR OF THE SON OF COD IS AN ANTICHRIST!
For it is Written Call no man on earth your father because there is but one father who is in heaven above us all"
ABOVE US ALL
No man can forgive send blasphemy !!!!!!
The pope is Dan 7:25
Dan 8:14-.....
Dan 7 littlehorn beast comes out of sea Rev.....
The Mother Whore of Babylon
The name and # of a man
The purple and scarlet etc etc etc
I BANG MY SHOE IN PROTEST

 

[tourist]

Any man that allows himself to be called the BLASPHEMOUS NAME OF HOLY FATHER OR VICARIOUS FILII DEI VICAR OF THE SON OF COD IS AN ANTICHRIST!
For it is Written Call no man on earth your father because there is but one father who is in heaven above us all"
ABOVE US ALL
No man can forgive send blasphemy !!!!!!
The pope is Dan 7:25
Dan 8:14-.....
Dan 7 littlehorn beast comes out of sea Rev.....
The Mother Whore of Babylon
The name and # of a man
The purple and scarlet etc etc etc View attachment 195802
I BANG MY SHOE IN PROTEST
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The 'u' in your calculation was changed to a 'v'. Under the roman numerical system u has no value so therefore the sum is 661 and not 666.