Can We Eliminate the Divide Between Calvinism and Arminianism?

[eternally-gratefull]

Once again i have to say i included seems in my statement.. You cannot have it both ways.. Saying i made a definitive statement and when i point out the word seems then you change tack and say i do not know.. And then swing back to make again the statement that i made a definitive statement.. All the while responding as a non-calvinist and thus you do not know what stance the calvinists have on the issue..

Amazing.. Why are you trying to throw a spanner in the discussion? If you are not a Calvinist or an anti-calvinist what are you doing injecting nothing but disruption into this discussion?

Did you listen to what I said?

If you said it SEEMS, it means you did not know

So why would you add the rest of your post. Based on the ASSUMPTION?

Its ok. A calvinist also responded to you the same way.. So I am not the only one who saw it that way.

My point was (and is) if your going to attack a group. Attack based on KNOWN things, not on things which SEEM to be true

 

[GodsGrace101]

Did you listen to what I said?

If you said it SEEMS, it means you did not know

So why would you add the rest of your post. Based on the ASSUMPTION?

Its ok. A calvinist also responded to you the same way.. So I am not the only one who saw it that way.

My point was (and is) if your going to attack a group. Attack based on KNOWN things, not on things which SEEM to be true

Catholics also get attacked on things that SEEM to be true.
Why shouldn't calvinists?

And why are YOU so disturbed by an honest question.
Some interested calvinist will explain, if they think it's important,
and if they don't it means it's not important to them.

Boy, but you do LOVE to argue.

 

[xjohnson]

The error is in attempting to separate Israel into Jews and Gentiles.

The error is in thinking that the Lord Jesus Christ was plan B and He was a failed plan for the Jews.

The error is in thinking that the elect applies only to the Jews of physical Israel.

The error is in attempting to separate Israel into Jews and Gentiles.
No such attempt was made by me.

The error is in thinking that the Lord Jesus Christ was plan B and He was a failed plan for the Jews.
No such thinking occurred on my part.

The error is in thinking that the elect applies only to the Jews of physical Israel.
In your quote of me, you'll find no instance where such thinking occurred. However, I do hold to the position that the "elect" consists of Jews that God chose for salvation prior to AD 70. The fact that you find my position to be erroneous has piqued my interest. Can you share how you came to the conclusion that the position I hold is erroneous? Thanks.

 

[Nehemiah6]

calvinists seem to assume that God hardens some for no real reason and saves others for no real reason..

That is exactly what Reformed Theology holds to. And it is quite false.

1. God hardens those who choose to harden themselves over a period of time. Conversely. He pleads with men to NOT harden their hearts.

2. God saves those who respond to the Gospel -- who obey the Gospel. And every Calvinist who was genuinely saved had to obey they Gospel.

 

[Adstar]

Did you listen to what I said?

If you said it SEEMS, it means you did not know

So why would you add the rest of your post. Based on the ASSUMPTION?

Its ok. A calvinist also responded to you the same way.. So I am not the only one who saw it that way.

My point was (and is) if your going to attack a group. Attack based on KNOWN things, not on things which SEEM to be true

I have not received a response from a calvanist telling me what criteria God uses to decide if He is going to force someone to believe and be saved and block others from believing and being saved...

Seems calvanists don't want to answer my question..

 

[GodsGrace101]

I have not received a response from a calvanist telling me what criteria God uses to decide if He is going to force someone to believe and be saved and block others from believing and being saved...

Seems calvanists don't want to answer my question..

LOL
That's because they don't know....
Dontcha know...
God is sovereign...He could do whatever He wants to do...
EVEN if it's against His nature...

Now...can God do something that is against His nature?
I don't think soooooo.........

 

[Hevosmies]

How do you confuse a calvinist? Take him to a buffet and tell him to "choose whatever you want"

 

[Hevosmies]

@Angela53510 @Sackcloth-N-Ashes @preacher4truth @allcalvinists

I got a question: WHY did Jesus speak in parables and say the mysteries of the kingdom was given to you (disciples) and then goes on to say that it is that way SO THAT they (the outsiders) wont repent and be forgiven?

That doesnt match with total depravity at all. They should already be unwilling to repent because they arent the elect or regenerated?

 

[GodsGrace101]

How do you confuse a calvinist? Take him to a buffet and tell him to "choose whatever you want"

 

[Grandpa]

I have not received a response from a calvanist telling me what criteria God uses to decide if He is going to force someone to believe and be saved and block others from believing and being saved...

Seems calvanists don't want to answer my question..

I answer all your guys questions over and over but you don't understand or don't want to understand.

What was the criteria when God Chose the Hebrews but didn't choose the Egyptians?

What was the criteria when God Chose the Hebrews but didn't choose the Canaanites?

What was the Criteria when God Chose Jacob but didn't choose Esau?


Paul tells us...

1 Corinthians 1:27-29
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

 

[John146]

I have not received a response from a calvanist telling me what criteria God uses to decide if He is going to force someone to believe and be saved and block others from believing and being saved...

Seems calvanists don't want to answer my question..

Agreed. Predetermined belief is not belief at all. Believing must be an individual choice.

 

[NayborBear]

I answer all your guys questions over and over but you don't understand or don't want to understand.

What was the criteria when God Chose the Hebrews but didn't choose the Egyptians?

What was the criteria when God Chose the Hebrews but didn't choose the Canaanites?

What was the Criteria when God Chose Jacob but didn't choose Esau?


Paul tells us...

1 Corinthians 1:27-29
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

It simply "blows their minds", that God doesn't act according to how they "think" God is supposed to act, Grandpa!

 

[John146]

Paul said he wished himself would be accursed from Christ if it meant the Jews would believe the gospel and be saved. This does not sound like a man who understood Calvinism.

 

[NayborBear]

I have not received a response from a calvanist telling me what criteria God uses to decide if He is going to force someone to believe and be saved and block others from believing and being saved...

Seems calvanists don't want to answer my question..

It's as simple and complicated as this!
You get a cold! Yer eyes and nose are running like a leaky faucet!
Do ya ask God why this is so? Or, do ya run to Walgreens and stock up on Alka Seltzer + cold?

 

[Grandpa]

Paul said he wished himself would be accursed from Christ if it meant the Jews would believe the gospel and be saved. This does not sound like a man who understood Calvinism.

Paul understood "Calvinism" more than maybe any other person on the planet.

See "Road to Damascus" - Acts 9

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I answer all your guys questions over and over but you don't understand or don't want to understand.

What was the criteria when God Chose the Hebrews but didn't choose the Egyptians?

What was the criteria when God Chose the Hebrews but didn't choose the Canaanites?

What was the Criteria when God Chose Jacob but didn't choose Esau?


Paul tells us...

1 Corinthians 1:27-29
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

Yes, You have answered it so many times.. these people just can not see..

But as for your post, I believe Gods chosing of Jacob over Esau was not salvation. But he chose him to be the Father of a great nation who would have his namesake.

This is where i think the difference in the different view lies.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul understood "Calvinism" more than maybe any other person on the planet.

See "Road to Damascus" - Acts 9

Sorry bro but I disagree..Calvinism was not a known doctrin in pauls day. Paul understood CHRISTIANITY more an anyone else..

PS.. Paul could have said no at any time in Acts 9.. Even after his vision stopped. He could have not done what he was told in unbelief..

 

[Grandpa]

Sorry bro but I disagree..Calvinism was not a known doctrin in pauls day. Paul understood CHRISTIANITY more an anyone else..

PS.. Paul could have said no at any time in Acts 9.. Even after his vision stopped. He could have not done what he was told in unbelief..

That's why I put Calvinism in quotes.

There was no Calvinism in Pauls day.

But if someone told him the tenets of Calvinism he would understand them better than anyone else.

 

[John146]

Paul understood "Calvinism" more than maybe any other person on the planet.

See "Road to Damascus" - Acts 9

He believed upon seeing the resurrected Jesus, he wasn’t forced. The lord had been pricking his heart for a while and Paul resisted.

 

[garee]

He believed upon seeing the resurrected Jesus, he wasn’t forced. The lord had been pricking his heart for a while and Paul resisted.

He believed as the Holy Spirit gave him the faith that comes from hearing God not seen.. Its what the lord was pricking his hard heart with the letter of the law (it kills) and that the Spirit of the law (Spirit of grace) did soften it his heart so that he could believe.

Again prior to Christ forming the seed of the gospel .Paul had no faith .Not little none.