Not By Works

dcontroversal · Mar 6, 2019

gb9 said:

Because to admit the truth openly = banned again.....that simple.....and like the "garden" no one likes to admit sin or error.....true believers have no problem with it...those that peddle a works based obedience laced self saving dogma cannot possibly admit they are in a state of disobedience.....

FollowHisSteps · Mar 6, 2019

dcontroversal said:

What are you talking about?
Are you suggesting we are all anonymous identities on a public forum, and it is our right to stay
as such? Woe you are finally catching on.

So when one is anonymous who is who?
So what is this question about previous identities?

I know, you want to wish them well, and say how much you appreciate them, lol

One member thought I was someone else and went on and on about how wrong they were.
Really made me think whoever they were they had made a real impact....... and just from a few posts
about theology and our approach, very odd such strong feelings ....... maybe its the climate that does it lol

FollowHisSteps · Mar 6, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Sorry dcon, do you know what you are speaking of, are you an administrator.
What you may not be aware of is everyone has the right to share what they want and declare what they want.

Somehow you have the impression it matters. The point about forums is this openness, and to encourage
discourse. I suspect your idea is to do the exact opposite.

Is this your eternal battle against your enemies? They might be someone you once knew

dcontroversal · Mar 6, 2019

FollowHisSteps said:

Study the rules Petey.....and wrap your head around the truth for once in your life!!

FollowHisSteps · Mar 6, 2019

I had a friend who once asked me the cost of something I had.
I said I would not tell him. He could easily find out if he wanted. But this denial drove him nuts.

So this is your problem my friend. Do you get angry with the Lord when He does not disclose everything
to you also? Are they lying and deceiving you?

I have seen people come and go here after this treatment in only a few weeks.
Not surprising when such agression and hostility abounds.

I wonder if a question cannot be answered yes or no is it of the enemy?
Or if a question is simply not answered. Jesus did not answer Pilate.
Because it would make no difference........

FollowHisSteps · Mar 6, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Which rules my friend, and do you know what truth is?

FollowHisSteps · Mar 6, 2019

This is the problem dcon.
You do not know the environment you are actually in.

Learn how to praise Jesus and bless others, that would be a good start

VCO · Mar 6, 2019

FollowHisSteps said:

Hi VCO,

"I do not sense your spirit at all".
This shows some basic issues. We do not know each other. This is only sending a few sentences across
at a time. You are judging my meaning and context from your background. So this makes it impossible.
The best we can do for each other, is simply expect the best, and share how the Lord blesses us and means
to us.

After the few words of faith I have shared and also talking about meeting God face to face, walking with
an open heart, letting Him cleanse and purify us, it is almost funny you saying "open the DOOR, let
Him into you heart", because that is my message to all who will listen.

We need to let Him purify our hearts and make us whole, transform us into the Children of the Living
God, His pure, Holy, Blameless people, a bride fit for the bride groom of heaven.

So you see my puzzlement. How can you ask me to do what I am saying we all should do, because
obviously I am doing it already, or else I would not be bringing this message.

God bless you, and May His love shine upon you and bring you peace, Amen

No, you have settled for a false gospel that is far, far less than I have asked you to COME TO!

This is goodbye.

VCO · Mar 6, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

WHAT POINT EXACTLY ? ? ?

UnderGrace · Mar 6, 2019

dcontroversal said:

You see, the rules do not really apply to them, they really only want to put us under their false "rules"

gb9 · Mar 6, 2019

UnderGrace said:

this is true. notice- they reject word definitions, language differences , context, chronological order.

so, when you just make it up as you go along, then you just apply things however you wish.

I call it giving one's self authority over Scripture instead of giving Scripture authority over you.

dcontroversal · Mar 6, 2019

UnderGrace said:

Just like Galatians....a yoke of bondage....legalistic deceivers like the Pharisees and Lawyers.....sitting in their high religious seats of pretense and hypocrisy....

VCO · Mar 6, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Look, Our local childish agitator has changed his NAME again.

FollowHisSteps · Mar 7, 2019

VCO said:

Hi vco,

Here is the problem. You looked at the creed of the Nazarene church and it appears you actually
found nothing wrong there.

You share words about conviction in Jesus and coming to Him, a spiritual reality, yet you claim
that I am doing something wrong.

It seems to me that all this means is your definition of the gospel is trying to exclude brothers and
sisters in Christ for the wrong reasons. And Jesus lays down the principles of the Kingdom.
A true tree has fruit that is good for eating, tastes sweet, refreshes you.
And the fruit for a bad tree, is painful, unfriendly, hurts and rips apart.

And in fellowship, you withdraw your hand of fellowship without explaining why?
Is it because I dare to believe scripture that in Christ I am a new creation, capable of walking like
Jesus did?

Dear reader, if these folk find people who believe and walk in Jesus's ways their theology would
regard them as liars, fakes and hypocrites, without actually knowing them, because unbelief that
this is possible is part of their belief system.

If Jesus calls this unbelief not believing in Him, then the very promises they rely on do not apply
to them. All the work and faith and ideas of a lifetime will be in vain. Paul feared this situation.
He knew sincerity and dedication means nothing we not applied according to Gods will, as a pharisee
he discovered he was opposing God. I pray that each one of us might test ourselves and question
whether we are listening to Jesus or letting our sinful hearts walk in unbelief.

FollowHisSteps · Mar 7, 2019

Hatred.
I have been shocked in the past by the unfounded hatred of some believers.

There idea is there is a deep conspiracy of evil people in the church who are not actually believers but
hypocrites, liars and frauds. They show themselves by believing God can make them like Jesus.

And the tactic to show this is true is to annoy, lie, slander and provoke them until they break. And once
broken the mask is shown that they are just like us.

Unfortunately this is what happened to the apostles, and they just shone like lights in the darkness.
And unfortunately for these hating believers, Gods people will do the same.

And yes among us there are unbelievers, and fellow travellers who do not know Jesus. But praise the
Lord, out of some of them, His sheep shall arise. So we love all and desire from the bottom of our hearts
to follow our Lord. And this is why I love the Lord, it is our relationship with Him that empowers us, and
brings a song of praise to our lips, each and every day, Amen.

dcontroversal · Mar 7, 2019

FollowHisSteps said:

I will not praise those who walk in deception, lies and falsehoods....and for sure I am one of a few on this site that places all emphasis upon Christ, unlike you guys which devalue Christ and lift yourselves by your self saving obedience/ works based false drivelistic salvation....!!!

No one on this site deserves praise...ONLY GOD/CHRIST PAL....he ALONE DESERVES ALL PRAISE!!!

dcontroversal · Mar 7, 2019

VCO said:

So clear how verbiage, mannerisms statements gives them away hey.....Ole Petey.....same crap different day.....!!

FollowHisSteps · Mar 7, 2019

dcontroversal said:

When everything is settled, this is your basic problem, you cannot embrace those who embrace Christ
and His way. You cannot answer the points of faith,

"Aim for perfection" " For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life."
"But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing"

Once one compromises these words, one is saying there are different standards of faith or transformation
in the believers life. But our goal is to be like Christ.
As Paul says

Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
1 Cor 11:1

Some deny the sermon on the mount applies to them, while not knowing Paul repeats all the
ideas in his letters. And even more profoundly the principles lie in the Psalms and the law,
which shows the same God and His heart and will for us in Christ Jesus our Lord, Amen

FollowHisSteps · Mar 7, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Hi dcon,

I am rejoicing that you uplift Christ and His work on the cross. Amen.
But my friend, Christ intended you to know He can bring you to victory in your walk so you walk like Jesus.

The power of the beatitudes is they lay out Jesus's walk. It is an attitude of the heart, of being cleansed, of
focusing on the things of the Spirit and eternal and not the passions of this world.

Poor in spirit, mourning, meek, hungering after righteousness, merciful, pure in heart, peacemakers.
Their treasure is in heaven, they are not angry, but bless, they do not lust after sexual desire, they love their
enemies, they do their acts of righteousness in private not for show, they pray meaningful prayers expecting
the Lord hears and will answer, they forgive from the heart, they do not worry about wealth but the Lords ways,
they do not judge but desire to help and encourage others.

This is the way of Jesus. We are His people and called to walk in His ways. But we walk in His ways because
we are filled with the Holy Spirit and His laws and ways are written on our hearts. We listen to Him and His words
and His calling.

Whatever your thinking or feelings, these are the ways of the Lord.
Either you listen to Him or you do not know Him. Jesus said simply we do not judge, the words He speaks judge
us on the last day. I know my Lord who I follow, God bless you.

FollowHisSteps · Mar 7, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Hi dcon,

My challenge to you was to actually look at the doctrinal statement of the Nazarene Church and tell me their
failure, theologically and from scripture.

It is fine to disown heresy and false teaching, but you have to be very specific and correct or else you are
just introducing division for your own hidden reasons. And the main reasons this is being done by some is the
heresy of not listening to Jesus and following His word. By definition this makes all who do so not children
of God and Christ.

It is ironic I am told the Lords sheep listen to Jesus, follow Him, and are secure, by people amongst whom
do not listen to Jesus, do not follow His way and deny His power to bring them to perfection.
Most of these heretics do not survive long in a christian forum, because it becomes obvious what they
are doing, but those who stay silent, often get away with it for much longer, on the disguise of being for
security in Christ, while actually being in rebellion against Christ.

But I just praise God and the love He has given me in my life, and the fellowship I have with His people,
praise the Lord. I am not here to judge, but to encourage and to bless, to uplift Christs word and His
way and promise of victory to perfection, the walk of heaven.

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