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I agree with this sentiment.
The problem here is we are not being asked anything, but rather assaulted as if we are guilty
of some horrendous sin and deception, while the content is missing by people who claim to
know the Lord and His word. And to be honest what is being discussed is just the foundations
of the faith, over which there should be little disagreement, unless we are talking to people who
have left the faith.
So to say a sinful heart should not be resolved.
Our goal is not to walk like Jesus.
To share of victory or the work God has done is evil boasting
To share sincerely held beliefs and perspectives is deceit and lying
Now the above are not idle notions, or things any believer would compromise.
So if we do not stand and contend for our faith, do we actually believe it?
If the light within sings with joy to our glorious King should we not shout it?
So I wish to shout and exclaim that which God has worked in us to bring us to salvation,
the Holy Kingdom of Heaven, Amen
Good morning and God bless you this fine morning.
I rejoice that Christ the King has given us a new day to sing His praises and experience
His blessing in this world, and soon the world yet to come, Amen
Amen! Besides perverting the gospel, twisting the scriptures, sowing seeds of doubt and deception, along with attacking those in the OSAS camp and resorting to slander, what is his purpose here? Apparently, that is his purpose here.
We already have, but you only see what you want to see. You are not fooling me or any of my brothers and sisters in Christ on Christian Chat and your true colors are obvious.
That false accusation is the epitome of IRONY.
You are the master of IRONY. Jude is exhorting believers to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints (vs. 3) because certain ungodly men who have crept in unnoticed. Jude further describes these ungodly men as ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit (vs. 19) In CONTRAST to those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ (vs. 1). Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice, and does not forsake His saints; They are PRESERVED FOREVER, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.
untold millions pour into hell anually because of ignorance and or false religion!
Here is a new faith. People are no longer sinners doomed to hell for evil behaviour, but ignorance
and false religion.
Repenting from sin is not their call, but knowledge and accepting the right beliefs.
Behaviour does not matter, or conviction of sin, or submission to love and Gods ways.
Transformation and walking in the fruit of the Spirit is irrelevant to them.
This is 100% not christian good news, or gospel but false teaching.
Praise the Lord His sheep will not hear or follow this teaching because they listen to Jesus
and follow Him, Amen.
Eternity is at stake for those on the fence and or those that have devalued the work of Jesus on our behalf
Here is the problem, men without love trying to do the work of God, picking on Gods people
as their target. What greater deception do you need than using those who believe they know
God to knock chunks out of those who walk in love and righteousness.
Who are the enemy? Those whose deeds are evil.
Jesus is light and darkness hides from it, because their deeds were evil.
So where you stand is always about your heart. Is your heart pure and loving, filled with Gods
grace, overflowing with encouragement, seeing the best in others, and desiring they might know
the life eternal. Welcome brother and sister in Christ, Praise the Lord you walk in His ways, be
encouraged and take heart for He has bought us in heaven a place were we will abide forever.
And those who hate such as these, have never known God or His love, and contend against His
people and are allotted a place with the unbelievers and their fate.
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
John 3:19
'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'
Luke 13:27
For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a man is an idolater--has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
Therefore do not be partners with them.
Eph 5:5-7
Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you.
We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death.
Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.
This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.
1 John 3:12-16
Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.
And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
Col 3:12-14
Here is the problem, men without love trying to do the work of God, picking on Gods people
as their target. What greater deception do you need than using those who believe they know
God to knock chunks out of those who walk in love and righteousness.
Who are the enemy? Those whose deeds are evil.
Jesus is light and darkness hides from it, because their deeds were evil.
So where you stand is always about your heart. Is your heart pure and loving, filled with Gods
grace, overflowing with encouragement, seeing the best in others, and desiring they might know
the life eternal. Welcome brother and sister in Christ, Praise the Lord you walk in His ways, be
encouraged and take heart for He has bought us in heaven a place were we will abide forever.
And those who hate such as these, have never known God or His love, and contend against His
people and are allotted a place with the unbelievers and their fate.
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
John 3:19
'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'
Luke 13:27
For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a man is an idolater--has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
Therefore do not be partners with them.
Eph 5:5-7
Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you.
We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death.
Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.
This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.
1 John 3:12-16
Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.
And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
Col 3:12-14
So where does it say that it's IRREVOCABLE?
No one can snatch them out of the Father's hand and I agree to whatever was written to teach us and esp God's Words.
We are in God's hand like a FREE bird that can FREELY fly away if it wishes to. No one can snatch us away from the Father's hand as long as we REMAIN OR ABIDE IN HIM.
The itsy TWISTY spider...
...For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. THEY ARE GODLESS MEN, WHO CHANGE THE GRACE OF OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY and DENY Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 1:4
...They claim to know God, but by THEIR ACTIONS they DENY Him. They are detestable, DISOBEDIENT and UNFIT for doing anything good. Titus 1:16
Look who's talking about HONESTY.
...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:3-6
Do you not CALL EVIL GOOD and GOOD EVIL? (Isaiah 5:20-24)
Is it RIGHT to OBEY God? Is it GOOD or is it WRONG and EVIL? If it is RIGHT and GOOD, why do you call those who promote OBEDIENCE TO GOD as FALSE or peddlers of a FALSE GOSPEL?
Do you not insult and call the views of those who promote OBEDIENCE to God as IDIOTIC?
It's funny how your group can say that only genuine believers would OBEY God and those who promote OBEDIENCE to God are LOST, UNBELIEVERS, FALSE, DECEIVER, NOT SAVED TO BEGIN WITH and many other discriminating NEGATIVE remarks.
And when you are called out, you will accuse them of SLANDER and start bullying those who disagree with you.
But scriptures fortold of these kind of people and behaviour.
.. Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. Jude 1:14-19
...If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Timothy 6:3-5
...Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. HE WHO DOES WHAT IS RIGHT IS RIGHTEOUS, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.
IS IT RIGHT TO OBEY GOD or not?
Are you an instrument of God's righteousness or do you just BELIEVE and let God do everything for you?
Who now is the LORD, you?...and who is your servant, GOD?
....“You have said harsh things against me,” says the Lord. “Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’ “You have said, ‘IT IS FUTILE TO SERVE GOD. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.’” Then THOSE WHO FEARED THE LORD talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. “They will be mine,” says the Lord Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I WILL SPARE THEM, just as in compassion a man spares HIS SON WHO SERVES HIM. And you will again see the DISTINCTION between the RIGHTEOUS and the WICKED, between those who SERVE GOD and those who do not. Malachi 3:13-18
...God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him WE MIGHT BECOME THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD. 2 Corinthians 5:21
The truth is cv5, that you have NO verses to post that support eternal security outside of God and the obedience to His commandments,,,the moral commandments.
You posted the following for support, but it does not support your theory:
John 6:37-40 Jesus said.
37“All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.
38“For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
39“This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
40“For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
verse 37 The Father draws all men to Jesus, ,,, And Jesus, being the way to God,,, will bring all men to God Father. Romans 1:19-20 states that God has always made Himself by known to man and draws man to Himself by the things that are created.....
John 14:23 states that everyone who loves Jesus, they will keep His word, the Father will love them, and both Jesus and the person will make thier abode with God.
All those who go to Jesus for salvation and knowledge of God....He will in no way ever cast out.
It is Gods will that all men be saved....1 Timothy 2:4
verse 38 Jesus came to us to be our salvation, our atonement, our master....this has been the will of God Father since the beginning of time.
verse 39 Lose nothing should read: should not destroy. Jesus WILL KEEP those who believe in Him,,,their bodies WILL BE resurrected at the last day...just like Jesus' body was. 1 Corinthians.
This for those who believe in Him...will not perish, John 3:16
Those who believe, even if they die, will live forever....John 11:25, Jesus is the resurrection.
This is repeated in verse 40.
verse 40 This verse confirms verse 39......:
everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
God draws all men to Him.
He gives those that accept His revelation He gives to the care of the Son.
The Son draws men to the Father.
The Son cares for those that believe in Him. (present tense, always)
Those that believe in the Son will never die.
yes,,,I do agree with the above.
I have a simple way of thinking about this....
God invites us into His Kingdom ...here on earth.
To remain in any Kingdom requires following the rules.
God's Kingdom is real:
It has a place (a dimension in this case)
It has a King
It has inhabitants (we believers)
It has rules
Also, I'm beginning to think that those who believe in OSAS are afraid of something....
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NoNameMcgee
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Mornin' brothers and sisters... I pray all you are having a blessed day whatever time it is where you are
praise God, for another day to share His love in us while we are still away from home
(i appreciate you guys fighting for the truth.... and it was nice to see you post again star)
praise God, for another day to share His love in us while we are still away from home
(i appreciate you guys fighting for the truth.... and it was nice to see you post again star)
"whenever we do anything for God"
Here is the standing back approach to our walk in Christ.
We are Christ on earth, His body, His witness, His presence.
Everything we do is for God, not just occasional acts or efforts, everything.
Do everything in love.
1 Cor 16:14
Paul was worried that some of them may be deceived just like eve was deceived.
...But I AM AFRAID that just as Eve was DECEIVED by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be LED ASTRAY from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:3
The truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.
These deceivers will REJECT and NULLIFY the Word and believe the deceiving spirits.(Isaiah 5:20-24, Mark 7:6-13)
...while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13
...THE SPIRIT CLEARLY SAYS that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2
How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?
We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.
Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?
..But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:10-14, 24
...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15
And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;
...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6-7
...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”... Genesis 3:1-19
Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.
The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God. If they were deceived, why can't you?
Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why refuse to take heed of them?
So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?[
...But I AM AFRAID that just as Eve was DECEIVED by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be LED ASTRAY from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:3
The truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.
These deceivers will REJECT and NULLIFY the Word and believe the deceiving spirits.(Isaiah 5:20-24, Mark 7:6-13)
...while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13
...THE SPIRIT CLEARLY SAYS that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2
How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?
We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.
Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?
..But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:10-14, 24
...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15
And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;
...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6-7
...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”... Genesis 3:1-19
Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.
The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God. If they were deceived, why can't you?
Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why refuse to take heed of them?
So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?[
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eternally-gratefull
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Ok, jesus also explained the parables Himself, and he did not always speak in parables. Thats not even right
And pauls writings were called scripture by peter in his book, nt sure where you get you info but you were told wrong
Here is some truth.
Here is who will receive eternal life on the Day of Judgement -
- eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, Romans 2:6-8
JPT
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I made a commitment to not respond or like any post directed at a one of our three previously banned members. I planned on leaving altogether, but a few asked me not to. So...
anyway, I guess since this is not directed to him, I can respond. What you said is true, and just another reason people need to stop enabling these sinners, and place them on ignore.
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4
The liar is the one who claims born again Christians don’t need to keep His commandments.
“I know Him” is the biblical definition of eternal life.
JPT
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DESCRIPTIVE OF BELIEVERS. Be sure to go back and read posts #90,444 and #90,449.
Our motive is to be used as His instrument.
The Holy Spirit is our helper.
Sometimes, however, we even have to do what we don't want to do.
I don't particularly like some persons in my life, but I always tried to love them and treat them well.
Was this work?
I agree with all you've said,,,,but I also know that work IS part of our salvation and I really fail to understand the problem with this.
Maybe it's called good deeds?
I do think we should obey God....
Hebrews 4:3, 7
“… only we who believe can enter His rest … but those who first heard this good news
failed to enter because they disobeyed God.”