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[KnowMe]

Thanks for pointing out another mistake in the KJV, Fred!

KJV
"16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Tim. 3:16-17

The word, ALL above is wrong. Here is the Greek (SLB) :

"16 πᾶσα γραφὴ θεόπνευστος καὶ ὠφέλιμος πρὸς διδασκαλίαν, πρὸς ἐλεγμόν, πρὸς ἐπανόρθωσιν, πρὸς παιδείαν τὴν ἐν δικαιοσύνῃ, 17 ἵνα ἄρτιος ᾖ ὁ τοῦ θεοῦ ἄνθρωπος, πρὸς πᾶν ἔργον ἀγαθὸν ἐξηρτισμένος." 2 Tim. 3:16-17 SBL Greek

This agrees with Stephanus 1550!
"16 πασα γραφη θεοπνευστος και ωφελιμος προς διδασκαλιαν προς ελεγχον προς επανορθωσιν προς παιδειαν την εν δικαιοσυνη
17 ινα αρτιος η ο του θεου ανθρωπος προς παν εργον αγαθον εξηρτισμενος" 2 Tim. 3:16-17

So, what is the mistake you ask?

The word γραφὴ or Scripture/writing is nominative, feminine, singular. So, it is described by the Nom. Fem. Sg. word πᾶσα. The word in the singular is translated as "each, every." If it was plural, which it is not, it would be All Scriptures. But, it is not plural, so "every" is a better translation, in fact the RIGHT translation.

Here is a modern translation for you! In fact the NET seems to be one of the few Bibles that uses the singular and uses it properly. Unfortunately, in translation committees, the tendency for many versions is to follow "the tradition of the KJV, rather than translating it properly." That a direct quote from my Greek professor, Bill Mounce, one of the top Greek scholars and teachers in the world today.

"Every scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the person dedicated to God may be capable and equipped for every good work." 2 Tim. 3:16-17 NET

It's funny to me, that people who are so insistent on using the KJV because "every word is right" then put up with shoddy, (although probably as good as it got, 400 years ago!) translations.

that is interesting though it seems bit small of a detail, but nonetheless it is, of the top translations 17 use all and 11 use every about 60/40 ratio

New International Version
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

New Living Translation
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.

English Standard Version
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

Berean Study Bible
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

Berean Literal Bible
Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

New American Standard Bible
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

King James Bible
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Christian Standard Bible
All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,

Contemporary English Version
Everything in the Scriptures is God's Word. All of it is useful for teaching and helping people and for correcting them and showing them how to live.

Good News Translation
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the truth, rebuking error, correcting faults, and giving instruction for right living,

Holman Christian Standard Bible
All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,

International Standard Version
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

NET Bible
Every scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

New Heart English Bible
All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Every writing which is written by The Spirit is profitable for teaching, for correction, for direction and for a course in righteousness,

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Every Scripture passage is inspired by God. All of them are useful for teaching, pointing out errors, correcting people, and training them for a life that has God's approval.

New American Standard 1977
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

Jubilee Bible 2000
All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

King James 2000 Bible
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

American King James Version
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

American Standard Version
Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness.

Douay-Rheims Bible
All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice,

Darby Bible Translation
Every scripture [is] divinely inspired, and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for correction, for instruction in righteousness;

English Revised Version
Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness:

Webster's Bible Translation
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Weymouth New Testament
Every Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for convincing, for correction of error, and for instruction in right doing;

World English Bible
Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness,

Young's Literal Translation
every Writing is God-breathed, and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for setting aright, for instruction that is in righteousness,

 

[KnowMe]

Then there’s useful and profitable

 

[Nehemiah6]

Thanks for pointing out another mistake in the KJV, Fred!
"16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Tim. 3:16-17.
The word, ALL above is wrong. Here is the Greek (SLB)...

Another UNJUSTIFIED ATTACK on the KJV, Angela.

That word is correctly translated as "ALL" because it is not just "every" Scripture that Paul was speaking about but all Scripture, which comprehensively is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and for instruction in righteousness. And the context makes this perfectly clear, as does the lexical meaning of the Greek word πᾶσα (pasa)

Strong's Concordance
pas: all, every
Original Word: πᾶς, πᾶσα, πᾶν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: pas
Phonetic Spelling: (pas)
Definition: all, every
Usage: all, the whole, every kind of.

HELPS Word-studies
3956 pás – each, every; each "part(s) of a totality" (L & N, 1, 59.24).

3956 /pás ("each, every") means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies." The emphasis of the total picture then is on "one piece at a time." 365(ananeóō) then focuses on the part(s) making up the whole – viewing the whole in terms of the individual parts.

We are not to simply focus on grammar, but the theological implication of what Paul has stated. At the time of writing almost all of the New Testament had been written down, and the entire Hebrew Tanakh had been confirmed as Scripture by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself (Luke 24). Peter had already confirmed that ALL of Paul's epistles were Scripture and that is over 50% of the NT. Paul was also a prophet and prophetically saw all the NT as complete, as well as the end of prophecies (1 Cor 13:8).

It is also very significant that out of the 21 English translations found on Bible Hub, only 8 have "every". Even the NIV and the NASV have "all", along with the ESV, HCSB, and ISV. In other words the KJV has been DEEMED TO BE CORRECT by the majority of translators and bibles!

What we need to stress here is that needless and unjustified nit-picking and attacks on the KJV -- which is regarded as the very Word of God by countless Christians -- is a very serious matter, and those who do so will give account for trying to lead people astray.

 

[Dino246]

\Dino, Dino, Dino, Ho,ho...

You seem to be offended because I posted what I believe of the KJV is given by inspiration. Why not? I believe KJV is English text of scripture. It is scripture of truth, is quick and powerful. I believe in every word in the KJV is “All scripture…”. Does your bibles not given by inspiration? Are they not an inspired text? Are they not profitable for doctrine? For reproof? for instructions? If so, that might be a big difference with mine.

Daniel 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince
Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

First, I'm not offended.

Second, in the context of 2 Timothy 3:16, I agree with you. However, this thread has already turned into a KJV-only thread, and in that context, I vigorously disagree with you. Perhaps you're unaware, but some KJV-only proponents assert that the KJV itself was re-inspired in English. That's the sense in which I read your comment. If you meant it in the first sense, there is no issue, because all translations of Scripture are equally inspired.

 

[SIMON55]

Then there’s useful and profitable

Use the one that says Prophetable so it will make a Prophet of you!😀

 

[Dino246]

Another UNJUSTIFIED ATTACK on the KJV, Angela.

That word is correctly translated as "ALL" because it is not just "every" Scripture that Paul was speaking about but all Scripture, which comprehensively is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and for instruction in righteousness. And the context makes this perfectly clear, as does the lexical meaning of the Greek word πᾶσα (pasa)

Strong's Concordance
pas: all, every
Original Word: πᾶς, πᾶσα, πᾶν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: pas
Phonetic Spelling: (pas)
Definition: all, every
Usage: all, the whole, every kind of.

HELPS Word-studies
3956 pás – each, every; each "part(s) of a totality" (L & N, 1, 59.24).

3956 /pás ("each, every") means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies." The emphasis of the total picture then is on "one piece at a time." 365(ananeóō) then focuses on the part(s) making up the whole – viewing the whole in terms of the individual parts.

We are not to simply focus on grammar, but the theological implication of what Paul has stated. At the time of writing almost all of the New Testament had been written down, and the entire Hebrew Tanakh had been confirmed as Scripture by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself (Luke 24). Peter had already confirmed that ALL of Paul's epistles were Scripture and that is over 50% of the NT. Paul was also a prophet and prophetically saw all the NT as complete, as well as the end of prophecies (1 Cor 13:8).

It is also very significant that out of the 21 English translations found on Bible Hub, only 8 have "every". Even the NIV and the NASV have "all", along with the ESV, HCSB, and ISV. In other words the KJV has been DEEMED TO BE CORRECT by the majority of translators and bibles!

What we need to stress here is that needless and unjustified nit-picking and attacks on the KJV -- which is regarded as the very Word of God by countless Christians -- is a very serious matter, and those who do so will give account for trying to lead people astray.

Fallacy: circular reasoning (and appeal to fear!).

It's consistently the KJV-only proponents who make ridiculous, unsupportable, and logically invalid claims, attacking other translations with loaded language. Criticizing a translation of the Bible is fair game, and it's hypocritical to criticize other translations and then claim that criticizing the KJV is out of bounds. Nobody is "trying to lead people astray," so perhaps you should tone down your self-righteous rhetoric.

 

[SIMON55]

Then there’s useful and profitable

$how me the money that's the one I want I just don't like it when they cut it out to fit to much in there....you can get 2 $100.00 bills on most pages up to the point the binding starts stressing....lol😀

 

[Mikeal]

How is it ironic? I'd say that all new Bible interpretations and publications have been since 1960, because if they were from before 1960, they wouldn't be "new".

So... perhaps you'd care to rephrase the question and identify the point you're trying not to make.

Why Christian chat app Phone doesn't work anymore?

 

[SIMON55]

Lot of hairsplitting going on here......wonder if any of it changes the context enough to make it Satanic?

 

[Angela53510]

Another UNJUSTIFIED ATTACK on the KJV, Angela.

That word is correctly translated as "ALL" because it is not just "every" Scripture that Paul was speaking about but all Scripture, which comprehensively is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and for instruction in righteousness. And the context makes this perfectly clear, as does the lexical meaning of the Greek word πᾶσα (pasa)

Strong's Concordance
pas: all, every
Original Word: πᾶς, πᾶσα, πᾶν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: pas
Phonetic Spelling: (pas)
Definition: all, every
Usage: all, the whole, every kind of.

HELPS Word-studies
3956 pás – each, every; each "part(s) of a totality" (L & N, 1, 59.24).

3956 /pás ("each, every") means "all" in the sense of "each (every) part that applies." The emphasis of the total picture then is on "one piece at a time." 365(ananeóō) then focuses on the part(s) making up the whole – viewing the whole in terms of the individual parts.

We are not to simply focus on grammar, but the theological implication of what Paul has stated. At the time of writing almost all of the New Testament had been written down, and the entire Hebrew Tanakh had been confirmed as Scripture by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself (Luke 24). Peter had already confirmed that ALL of Paul's epistles were Scripture and that is over 50% of the NT. Paul was also a prophet and prophetically saw all the NT as complete, as well as the end of prophecies (1 Cor 13:8).

It is also very significant that out of the 21 English translations found on Bible Hub, only 8 have "every". Even the NIV and the NASV have "all", along with the ESV, HCSB, and ISV. In other words the KJV has been DEEMED TO BE CORRECT by the majority of translators and bibles!

What we need to stress here is that needless and unjustified nit-picking and attacks on the KJV -- which is regarded as the very Word of God by countless Christians -- is a very serious matter, and those who do so will give account for trying to lead people astray.

First, Strong's is a concordance, and is a backwards translation from the KJV. So, while much is right about Strong's, it follows the same mistakes as the KJV. That is why I put Bauer's definition. It is from a Lexicon, which is Greek to English, not KJV English to Greek.

Second, your "opinion' means nothing. It has been translated wrongly. Singular, which is what the adjective and then following noun is. They are singular. You can't just change it to plural because of a mistake made 400 years ago. I will agree that the meaning is similar. But, you KJV people are the ones who complain loud and long, not just about paraphrases, but about the inaccuracies in the "modern" versions. Well, this use of "all" the plural, instead of "each, every" as it should be translated.

In addition, all the Greek texts show this to be "every" Scripture. There are no variants, it simply is "every" meaning: the singular of each verse.

Not sure why I would be leading people astray to tell the truth about what the Greek says. In fact, it is you and your supposedly "perfect" that is leading people astray, and for 400 years!

Perhaps you could learn the difference between singular and plural in Greek. The use of "pas" in the Bible, and all 24 different ways of saying it, depending upon gender, number and case. English is simply not a good language to translate the Bible into, without losing meanings all over the place. BUT, none of these issues affect doctrine.

So read on with your flawed translation, and I will continue to point out what it really is supposed to say, if you translate it properly.

As far as the NT being complete in Paul's day - not so much. James, was written after the fall of Jerusalem, his letter is addressed to the diaspora. Revelation was also written much later than Paul's life. But, I know that this scripture in 2 Tim. 3:16-17, is technically written about the OT, which was complete, while the NT was not!

 

[Dino246]

Why Christian chat app Phone doesn't work anymore?

I don't know... check the Tech forum and/or ask a staff member.

 

[SIMON55]

Lot of hairsplitting going on here......wonder if any of it changes the context enough to make it Satanic?

I woukd say all the scammers shucksters and confidence cons are working from the one that says profitable and have found it very u$eful.

 

[SIMON55]

I woukd say all the scammers shucksters and confidence cons are working from the one that says profitable and have found it very u$eful.

I skipped out of hairsplitting class... So I am going to have to take a blind stab in the dark and guess every makes a more direct indication of the individual units and all indicates the summation of the whole....geesh cursed by my ignorance again....just hate it when that happens cuz satan might use it on me.
A really smart A-theist told me one time.....A Psychic Phenomena of the spirit doesn't count as evidence of God......I told him well last time I checked God is the Holiest of spirits so if it happens to you I guarantee it will count!!!.....
He didn't seem to know what to say.....after a min. or so he just shook his head and said it wasn't going to happen to him....so I said oh so you are the Psychic now and telling the future.....you said psychic phenomena doesn't count and if it does happen you won't be the first A-theist God jerked a knot in....!

 

[SIMON55]

I skipped out of hairsplitting class... So I am going to have to take a blind stab in the dark and guess every makes a more direct indication of the individual units and all indicates the summation of the whole....geesh cursed by my ignorance again....just hate it when that happens cuz satan might use it on me.
A really smart A-theist told me one time.....A Psychic Phenomena of the spirit doesn't count as evidence of God......I told him well last time I checked God is the Holiest of spirits so if it happens to you I guarantee it will count!!!.....
He didn't seem to know what to say.....after a min. or so he just shook his head and said it wasn't going to happen to him....so I said oh so you are the Psychic now and telling the future.....you said psychic phenomena doesn't count and if it does happen you won't be the first A-theist God jerked a knot in....!

Ok ....done talking to myself and going for Ice cream if anyone wants to bumrush me while I'm out of the room😀

 

[KnowMe]

Use the one that says Prophetable so it will make a Prophet of you!😀

now that’s some sound advice, hehe.

 

[KnowMe]

Lot of hairsplitting going on here......wonder if any of it changes the context enough to make it Satanic?

Could be you don’t want to go and cut down all the green trees in the woods that’s satanic but you want to go and cut down every green tree in the woods to be proper.

 

[SIMON55]

Could be you don’t want to go and cut down all the green trees in the woods that’s satanic but you want to go and cut down every green tree in the woods to be proper.

I don't think anyone ever acused me of being proper.... crude hillbilly maybe but never proper.... Are those the Cedars of Lebanon We are cutting....those are the ones Satans seat in Pergamos were made with maybe....😀

 

[KnowMe]

I don't think anyone ever acused me of being proper.... crude hillbilly maybe but never proper.... Are those the Cedars of Lebanon We are cutting....those are the ones Satans seat in Pergamos were made with maybe....😀

Naaa but I do have a tree trivia, what type of tree is this in the photo, the one with no leaves.

 

[KnowMe]

the Methuselah tree,

 

[Lanolin]

Just for you!

NASB
Romans 3:25
whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;

Hebrews 2:17
Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

1 John 4:10
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

ESV
Romans 3:25
whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.

Hebrews 2:17
Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 4:10
In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Amplified
Romans 3:25
whom God displayed publicly [before the eyes of the world] as a [life-giving] sacrifice of atonement and reconciliation (propitiation) by His blood [to be received] through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness [which demands punishment for sin], because in His forbearance [His deliberate restraint] He passed over the sins previously committed [before Jesus’ crucifixion].

Hebrews 2:17
Therefore, it was essential that He had to be made like His brothers (mankind) in every respect, so that He might [by experience] become a merciful and faithful High Priest in things related to God, to make atonement (propitiation) for the people’s sins [thereby wiping away the sin, satisfying divine justice, and providing a way of reconciliation between God and mankind].

1 John 2:2
And He [that same Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins [the atoning sacrifice that holds back the wrath of God that would otherwise be directed at us because of our sinful nature—our worldliness, our lifestyle]; and not for ours alone, but also for [the sins of all believers throughout] the whole world.

1 John 4:10
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation [that is, the atoning sacrifice, and the satisfying offering] for our sins [fulfilling God’s requirement for justice against sin and placating His wrath].

ASV
Romans 3:25
whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God;

Hebrews 2:17
Wherefore it behooved him in all things to be made like unto his brethren, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

1 John 2:2
and he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole world.

1 John 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.


NASB is a bit older, one of those dreadful (NOT!) Bibles first published in 1960. ESV is newer, first published in 2001, with revisions in 2007; 2011; and 2016. Amplified was first published in 1965. So, I guess all NEW Bibles that use the word "propitiation." Also, the ASV, first published in 1901 uses propitiation, and uses more archaic language than most modern version. . But, that was not first published after 1960.

Oh wow they all use propitititian! Thank you! Even amplified though it gives different words.



Yea cant make sense of lolcat bible.