Can people be a Christian and a Karaite Jew simultaneously?

[Sipsey]

Once again, Blik has taken what another person has written, forced it through the meat grinder of wrong belief, and come up with something that completely misrepresents the personal's original statements.

I find it weird that most “off center” participants on here seem to write their phrases in such a way that it resembles English with some sort of accent; and a rather thick one at that.

 

[Dino246]

I find it weird that most “off center” participants on here seem to write their phrases in such a way that it resembles English with some sort of accent; and a rather thick one at that.

I could get a lot of mileage with that idea with certain contributors. However... I try to be respectful.

 

[kaylagrl]

Once again, Blik has taken what another person has written, forced it through the meat grinder of wrong belief, and come up with something that completely misrepresents the personal's original statements.

Oh you saw that too huh, thanks. smh Is it even worth the breath?

 

[memyselfi]

The OT law has nothing to do with the NT. Christ is the sacrifice. You are trying to merge the two,you cannot. The OT law was the system used before Christ. We have no need of it. You misunderstand and are twisting the two systems, you are simply wrong.

Did G-d screw up and make His book a collective of 66 Books? According to you did G-d screw up and should have only protected the NT? TELL ME HOW MUCH SMARTER YOU ARE THAN G-D!!! If G-d has kept all 66 Books could it be because the OT applies!?! How do you know Y-shua/ Jesus is Messiah it was not for the OT? Or do you just believe G-d has not protected His Word?.... If that is the answer how do you believe the NT.... I mean it's been over 2,000 years!!!....

 

[kaylagrl]

Kay said: ]No,you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Bible. The law has passed away in Christ. You are denying the work of Christ. The Trinity has nothing to do with the subject of the law.

I say: The law is of God, and God is not to be read as only one person but as all parts of Him. Christ must be thought of as God, not as only the man part of Him.

Kay said: Right!!! That was point all long. That is why the Law is no longer in effect. He did away with the Law.

I said: Christ did not go back and recreate the world into a different world that has no law. Christ pay for our sins so if we use Christ as scripture tells us to we are forgiven our sins and become sinless.

Kay said: No, the law was to show us our unrighteousness and that none of us could keep the law. What you are talking about is not the OT law. Again you're mixing the two.

I said: You cannot make something that is so fundamentally God into just one aspect, one purpose and described with only one word. The 119th Psalm gives a great description of the law that points out many things the law is used for without mentioning this one thing.

Kay said: I have no problem following Scripture, but you lack understanding. We are not under the Law. You are speaking a false doctrine. We are under the blood,the sacrifice of the OT is gone,that system is over. We have a new covenant in Christ.

I answer: Kay tells us she has a problem with scripture saying that to listen to only one part of scripture is the right way, to read scripture is to mix it up in a wrong way. Some scripture, it seems, Kay wants ignored. She understands God as saying to forget about any law, as we aren't under it when God tells us that through Christ we are to die to sin (what the law tells us) and put on the righteousness of Christ. Kay wants us to forget that, be forgiven without any repentance for that is recognizing law to stay away from and there is no law. God tells us that in that case He just won't even hear us. We are to live with Christ.

B-The law is of God, and God is not to be read as only one person but as all parts of Him. Christ must be thought of as God, not as only the man part of Him.

Already went through the trinity. Jesus being God has nothing to do with the subject of the Law which is what we were talking about. But at least you have the trinity correct.


B- Christ did not go back and recreate the world into a different world that has no law. Christ pay for our sins so if we use Christ as scripture tells us to we are forgiven our sins and become sinless.


He fulfilled the Law!! He didn't have to "recreate" anything. And no we don't become sinless when we get saved,we become forgiven.



B-You cannot make something that is so fundamentally God into just one aspect, one purpose and described with only one word. The 119th Psalm gives a great description of the law that points out many things the law is used for without mentioning this one thing.


We aren't talking about the aspects of God,we are talking about the Law. Stick to the subject. Psalms is the OT we are not under that covenant any longer. smh



B-Kay tells us she has a problem with scripture saying that to listen to only one part of scripture is the right way, to read scripture is to mix it up in a wrong way.

No. Kayla didn't say that at all. Don't lie. I said we are not under the OT covenant law. You are blending the two incorrectly and are making a false doctrine.



B-Some scripture, it seems, Kay wants ignored.

Wow,lying really is a bad habit with you! You are the one who is ignoring Scripture. I posted verses against your false doctrine and you ignored them.



B-She understands God as saying to forget about any law, as we aren't under it when God tells us that through Christ we are to die to sin (what the law tells us) and put on the righteousness of Christ. Kay wants us to forget that, be forgiven without any repentance for that is recognizing law to stay away from and there is no law. God tells us that in that case He just won't even hear us. We are to live with Christ.


The Bible says we are no longer under the law. Christ fulfilled the law. It's there in plain English. It's so simple a child could understand. I don't know whose false teaching you're sitting under or if it's just your own stubborn false belief but you are 100% wrong. You ask a question and when people respond you mock and harass them. A Sunday school kid could get this. In Jesus the sacrificial system of the law is over. We are free in Christ.

 

[kaylagrl]

Did G-d screw up and make His book a collective of 66 Books? According to you did G-d screw up and should have only protected the NT? TELL ME HOW MUCH SMARTER YOU ARE THAN G-D!!! If G-d has kept all 66 Books could it be because the OT applies!?! How do you know Y-shua/ Jesus is Messiah it was not for the OT? Or do you just believe G-d has not protected His Word?.... If that is the answer how do you believe the NT.... I mean it's been over 2,000 years!!!....

Sigh, another one,here we go...

M-Did G-d screw up and make His book a collective of 66 Books? According to you did G-d screw up and should have only protected the NT?

What in the wide living world are you talking about?! You people could really test the patience of Job with the false accusations. Where did I ever say any such thing? Point it out. You can't because it never was said. Period.

M-TELL ME HOW MUCH SMARTER YOU ARE THAN G-D!!!

You first since you and your friend seemed to have re-written the Bible to suit your own false religion.

M-If G-d has kept all 66 Books could it be because the OT applies!?!

No, the OT sacrificial... seriously how can you not get this?! The Law was FULFILLED in Christ!!! It's simple!! The Law showed us our sin and that we could not keep the Law perfectly. That is why Christ came!! You are discounting Christ's work at the cross.

M-How do you know Y-shua/ Jesus is Messiah it was not for the OT?

Apparently YOU don't know!! You have no clue what you're talking about. You're ranting about nothing. Christ was foreshadowed in the OT, that still has nothing to do with the law.


M-Or do you just believe G-d has not protected His Word?.... If that is the answer how do you believe the NT.... I mean it's been over 2,000 years!!!

Again you're rambling about nothing. You're not even on the subject we are talking about. No point in talking if you won't stick to the subject.

 

[garee]

God's word provides the assurance for the things that we cannot presently see. We need faith to walk with God, to trust Him and His promises. If God were to "need" faith, there would be something that God can't see, and something greater than God to provide the assurance of that something. In and of Himself, God has no lack, and no "need" for anything.

Without faith ( believing). God could not create the things seen from that not seen "opportunity " to be heard on high .

Without faith God cannot perform his labor of love.. God not seen is the source of all faith that does work in us with us to both will and do His good pleasure. .

No faith... no works .No works... no faith .

Our new eternal faith is the gift by which we can believe him who works in us .

Why murmur as it seems if he does the imputed work according to his plan (faith) ?

 

[garee]

Jesus came to fulfill the law and he did. We are not under the OT law,period.

We are under the perfect law (two laws in one ) which includes the things seen, the letter of the law; (the school master). "thou shalt not murder. as well as that not seen the "healing or eternal life giving "spirit of the law" .

Christ paid for the unseen wage. The letter of the law which brings us the spirit of the law or law of faith will not disappear until the last day. If a Christians commits murder . The same jail sentence is applied to the temporal flesh.

Again the two laws(letter and spirit) become one perfect established law.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[kaylagrl]

We are under the perfect law (two laws in one ) which includes the things seen, the letter of the law; (the school master). "thou shalt not murder. as well as that not seen the "healing or eternal life giving "spirit of the law" .

Christ paid for the unseen wage. The letter of the law which brings us the spirit of the law or law of faith will not disappear until the last day. If a Christians commits murder . The same jail sentence is applied to the temporal flesh.

Again the two laws(letter and spirit) become one perfect established law.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom. 2:12, "For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law," ….


Gal. 3:23, "But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed," …


Gal. 4:5, "in order that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons...


If we are still under the Law, we are judged by the Law.

Deuteronomy 27:26 it says, "‘Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’"

Rom. 6:14, "For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law, but under grace."

Gal. 5:18, "But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law."


Rom-"Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, that we might bear fruit for God,"


Rom-"But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter...

Christians are no longer under the Law,they have died with Christ.

 

[NayborBear]

We are under the perfect law (two laws in one ) which includes the things seen, the letter of the law; (the school master). "thou shalt not murder. as well as that not seen the "healing or eternal life giving "spirit of the law" .

Christ paid for the unseen wage. The letter of the law which brings us the spirit of the law or law of faith will not disappear until the last day. If a Christians commits murder . The same jail sentence is applied to the temporal flesh.

Again the two laws(letter and spirit) become one perfect established law.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Matthew 6
26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

Here is where we see Paul "chewing us for us gentiles", this "Teaching" that Jesus was trying to convey.

1 Corinthians 6
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

What "angels?" These ones, that Jude so well defined! That still (in a spiritual sense. inside the "carnal" man), walk amongst us. In enmity against God and the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Light, and Jesus of Nazareth!
Jude
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

This can only be done correctly, if we "bare fruit", in THIS direction:
Genesis 6
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

IOW, trying, and striving, in trying to cause the Lord, to not be SO grieved in His heart, that He made man flesh!

 

[NayborBear]

" But, God I Know You Listen, God I Know You Can See,"
"All The Things That War Inside Us, All The Things We're Trying To Believe!"
"You've Got Me On My Knees!"

 

[garee]

Matthew 6
26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

Here is where we see Paul "chewing us for us gentiles", this "Teaching" that Jesus was trying to convey.

1 Corinthians 6
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

What "angels?" These ones, that Jude so well defined! That still (in a spiritual sense. inside the "carnal" man), walk amongst us. In enmity against God and the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Light, and Jesus of Nazareth!
Jude
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

This can only be done correctly, if we "bare fruit", in THIS direction:
Genesis 6
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

IOW, trying, and striving, in trying to cause the Lord, to not be SO grieved in His heart, that He made man flesh!

Not sure what you meant by ; Here is where we see Paul "chewing us for us gentiles", this "Teaching" that Jesus was trying to convey.

What is "chewing us for us gentiles"?

 

[NayborBear]

Not sure what you meant by ; Here is where we see Paul "chewing us for us gentiles", this "Teaching" that Jesus was trying to convey.

What is "chewing us for us gentiles"?

OOps! My bad! Meant to say "Chewing it up, for us gentiles." As in making it better understood.

See I need to sharpen up on my proof reading afore I post.

 

[Dino246]

Without faith ( believing). God could not create the things seen from that not seen "opportunity " to be heard on high .

That isn't a sentence.

Without faith God cannot perform his labor of love.. God not seen is the source of all faith that does work in us with us to both will and do His good pleasure. .

You really aren't understanding what I wrote.

Why murmur as it seems if he does the imputed work according to his plan (faith) ?

Again, you're way off base.

 

[garee]

OOps! My bad! Meant to say "Chewing it up, for us gentiles." As in making it better understood.

See I need to sharpen up on my proof reading afore I post.

Make what it better understood ?

I am not familiar with your style of private interpretation. You use different metaphors to signify what you are saying. .

I still do not understand what "Chewing it up, for us gentiles means . What does chewing it up for the gentiles mean? Is it different then saying "chewing it up for us Jews?"

Why use the flesh of nations as a better way of understanding as a teaching master that could rise up above all things written in the law and the prophets as it is written ? I would think no man can serve two masters. The things seen and that not seen, the eternal.

 

[garee]

You really aren't understanding what I wrote.

I think I did .You said God does not need faith .it seemed to me as if there was a alternative way to work to create. .I was trying explain that without the faith of our faithful Creator he can create nothing.

Faith is a work. Just as he must increase we must decrease the same applied to the Son of man whose food was to do the will of the father and finish it.

1 Peter 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

When his faith increased he as a work of faith said ; let there be light, as the glory of God and there was. On day four he started the time keepers with the flick of the switch in the twinkling of the eye. . The Sun to temporally rule day and the darkness reflected on the moon to temporally rule night. And God unseen said when light appeared "it is good" .Defining "good" as the holly place of God unseen.

This was like for example when the Son of man, Jesus said when approached as good master, he replied only God not seen is good giving glory to him not seen . The Son of man Jesus did not stand in the holy unseen place of God, the place of faith. That would be the abomination of desecration spoken of in Daniel. .

 

[NayborBear]

Make what it better understood ?

I am not familiar with your style of private interpretation. You use different metaphors to signify what you are saying. .

I still do not understand what "Chewing it up, for us gentiles means . What does chewing it up for the gentiles mean? Is it different then saying "chewing it up for us Jews?"

Why use the flesh of nations as a better way of understanding as a teaching master that could rise up above all things written in the law and the prophets as it is written ? I would think no man can serve two masters. The things seen and that not seen, the eternal.

If you look at it (as it should be looked at, anyway. And, at one time was. Before the "overthrow", in an "everlasting past"), that if Adam and Eve had not sinned? They would have not been blocked from the "tree of life", and banned from the Garden of Eden. They would have grown in maturity. And when God seen they were ready? Would have removed the "off limits" from the "tree of knowledge, and good and evil", as well as the "tree of life" (in time). Needless to say, we would be living way differently, then we do currently. And no one would be saying, "It is what it is!" Which is why I so disagree with that assessment, and say, "it is, what it has become!" Because of sin, apostasy, and traditions of man!

Really nothing "private" at all! Tis there, for all to see. I can't make you, or anyone else to see! Even Jesus couldn't make people see! But? There it is!
And, here we are!

 

[garee]

If you look at it (as it should be looked at, anyway. And, at one time was. Before the "overthrow", in an "everlasting past"), that if Adam and Eve had not sinned? They would have not been blocked from the "tree of life", and banned from the Garden of Eden. They would have grown in maturity. And when God seen they were ready? Would have removed the "off limits" from the "tree of knowledge, and good and evil", as well as the "tree of life" (in time). Needless to say, we would be living way differently, then we do currently. And no one would be saying, "It is what it is!" Which is why I so disagree with that assessment, and say, "it is, what it has become!" Because of sin, apostasy, and traditions of man!

Really nothing "private" at all! Tis there, for all to see. I can't make you, or anyone else to see! Even Jesus couldn't make people see! But? There it is!
And, here we are!

Ok "Chewing it up, for us gentiles means something about if mankind would of could of reached maturity? But they did not?

 

[Blik]

B-The law is of God, and God is not to be read as only one person but as all parts of Him. Christ must be thought of as God, not as only the man part of Him.

Already went through the trinity. Jesus being God has nothing to do with the subject of the Law which is what we were talking about. But at least you have the trinity correct.

B- Christ did not go back and recreate the world into a different world that has no law. Christ pay for our sins so if we use Christ as scripture tells us to we are forgiven our sins and become sinless.

He fulfilled the Law!! He didn't have to "recreate" anything. And no we don't become sinless when we get saved,we become forgiven.

B-You cannot make something that is so fundamentally God into just one aspect, one purpose and described with only one word. The 119th Psalm gives a great description of the law that points out many things the law is used for without mentioning this one thing.

We aren't talking about the aspects of God,we are talking about the Law. Stick to the subject. Psalms is the OT we are not under that covenant any longer. smh

B-Kay tells us she has a problem with scripture saying that to listen to only one part of scripture is the right way, to read scripture is to mix it up in a wrong way.

No. Kayla didn't say that at all. Don't lie. I said we are not under the OT covenant law. You are blending the two incorrectly and are making a false doctrine.

B-Some scripture, it seems, Kay wants ignored.

Wow,lying really is a bad habit with you! You are the one who is ignoring Scripture. I posted verses against your false doctrine and you ignored them.

B-She understands God as saying to forget about any law, as we aren't under it when God tells us that through Christ we are to die to sin (what the law tells us) and put on the righteousness of Christ. Kay wants us to forget that, be forgiven without any repentance for that is recognizing law to stay away from and there is no law. God tells us that in that case He just won't even hear us. We are to live with Christ.

The Bible says we are no longer under the law. Christ fulfilled the law. It's there in plain English. It's so simple a child could understand. I don't know whose false teaching you're sitting under or if it's just your own stubborn false belief but you are 100% wrong. You ask a question and when people respond you mock and harass them. A Sunday school kid could get this. In Jesus the sacrificial system of the law is over. We are free in Christ.

It is as if you read things into scripture, and even the words used in scripture mean something completely foreign. You speak of Christ as a new God, separate from the God spoken of at creation and I can't understand you. You speak of the law as apart from God, and that just doesn't compute. You speak of us being in a new kind of world with the new covenant and I can't imagine God cancelling the old and inserting something entirely new. That would cancel that God is eternal. You say the sacrificial system and God's plan for our redemption has no relation to each other, and that would mean that the plan God had at the time Adam fell had no relation to a God, yet the earth that God controlled certainly was the earth then as it is now, so how could they be that separate? It seems to me that you don't see God as our God to come up with these things.

 

[NayborBear]

It is as if you read things into scripture, and even the words used in scripture mean something completely foreign. You speak of Christ as a new God, separate from the God spoken of at creation and I can't understand you. You speak of the law as apart from God, and that just doesn't compute. You speak of us being in a new kind of world with the new covenant and I can't imagine God cancelling the old and inserting something entirely new. That would cancel that God is eternal. You say the sacrificial system and God's plan for our redemption has no relation to each other, and that would mean that the plan God had at the time Adam fell had no relation to a God, yet the earth that God controlled certainly was the earth then as it is now, so how could they be that separate? It seems to me that you don't see God as our God to come up with these things.

You just described the very reason/s I quit going to "churches of stone."
It would be like, I could certainly "feel love", during the singing part.
But, the "spiritual" part in the singing? Made me want to stand up and scream:
"WHO!" "ARE YOU PEOPLE SINGING TO?"
T'was like I was feeling the book of Jude revealing itself!