Apparently he wrote a history book that didn't reveal anything. The book of Revelation should be renamed.
Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D.
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You are quoting Zechariah 14: 4. That is symbolic language. It is not literal. If you go through chapters 12 through 14 of Zechariah you will see the phrase "In that day" used repeatedly. It's talking about 70 A.D.
That day would be the "last day" when the resurrection and judgment would take place and the rivers of living water would flow from Jerusalem. It happens in spring time and winter, day and night, because the gospel has been being preached for 2,000 years. It is not literal but has a spiritual application.
In verse 7 it says it shall be one day known to the Lord. The same day and hour that Jesus did not know but only the Father in Matthew 24: 36. Jesus knew it would happen in His generation but He did not know the day or the hour when He was on earth.
Actually the bible says no such thing. If that was the judgement than what happens to all the billions that were born after 70AD? I guess that all of the bad peeps get a pass 'cause the judgement had already taken place before they were even born or committed a single sin.
How do you know that it is not literal? I guess that if it were literal that would screw up your narrative somewhat.
Simon55,
How do you categorize your views on biblical prophesy?
Historicist, futurist...
Can you provide a couple websites or links you feel are informative and perhaps most accurate.
How do you categorize your views on biblical prophesy?
Historicist, futurist...
Can you provide a couple websites or links you feel are informative and perhaps most accurate.
Pretorism is diversionary propoganda of Catholicism originally authored by a Jesuit priest to divert prophetical attention away from the pagan Satanic cultists that got Identified by the Protestant reformers who after they finally pried some scripture away from the satanists discovered them as the little horn beast empire Daniel proves they are.
But....this false propoganda requires NERO to be the Antichrist per scripture.
Daniels prophecy of 1260 years before the head of the beast empire is removed temporarily 1798 Identifies the Papacy littlehorn for what it is and why it is impossible for it to be any man or other entity.......No man can live 1260 years....NERO was not the Antichrist Little Horn.
Human history has to exactly match to Gods prophetical word......because it is HIS-....
Story-history.....your statement of heretical and WICKED is correct it is antichrist propoganda put forth as misdirection smoke screen diversionary propoganda by Jesuit Catholicism satanists.....
That is why I made a post asking how much they were paying him.
In Rev 21 & 22 it describes the new heavens and earth. You will find in Rev 21: 8 and Rev 22: 15 that sinners are outside the city and will be judged and thrown into the lake of fire at death if they don't believe the gospel.
The great white throne judgment happened in 70 A.D. It is also recorded in Matt 25: 31-46 with the sheep and goats judgment. They are the same. Matt 24 & 25 is entirely about Jesus' second coming which He said would happen in that generation. (Matt 24: 34)
Well it definitely has everything to do with Catholicism.....the Little horny pedophile beast of Daniel.
And the exact historical match......
I am on phone not pc so I grabbed WIKI.....you are in luck or I could have piled a Mountain of historical record.
When was the end of age harvest and the sheep and goats/wheat and tares?
Christ is spoken of as having the winnowing fork in his hand by John the Baptist:
Mat 3:12 His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
He's previously warned his hearers:
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
There is an "audience" related connection between the harvest and the "wrath to come".
John 4:35 “Do you not say, ‘There are yet four months, and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look on the fields, that they are white for harvest.
John's gospel helps us flesh out the timing and who is being harvested - "fields; for they are white already to harvest".
Mat 9:37 Then He *said to His disciples, “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few.Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
Mat 9:38 “Therefore beseech the Lord of the harvest to send out workers into His harvest.”
I think we are well within reason to say the "labourers" were his apostles and disciples of the 1st century.
A slightly different view point of the tares and wheat:
Mat 22:3 “And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come.
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Mat 22:7 “But the king was enraged, and he sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and set their city on fire.
This is an obvious allusion to 1st century Jerusalem.
The wedding and the harvest are all part and parcel of the same motif.
This places the harvest and judgment in the 1st century AD.
Christ is spoken of as having the winnowing fork in his hand by John the Baptist:
Mat 3:12 His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
He's previously warned his hearers:
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
There is an "audience" related connection between the harvest and the "wrath to come".
John 4:35 “Do you not say, ‘There are yet four months, and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look on the fields, that they are white for harvest.
John's gospel helps us flesh out the timing and who is being harvested - "fields; for they are white already to harvest".
Mat 9:37 Then He *said to His disciples, “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few.Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
Mat 9:38 “Therefore beseech the Lord of the harvest to send out workers into His harvest.”
I think we are well within reason to say the "labourers" were his apostles and disciples of the 1st century.
A slightly different view point of the tares and wheat:
Mat 22:3 “And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come.
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Mat 22:7 “But the king was enraged, and he sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and set their city on fire.
This is an obvious allusion to 1st century Jerusalem.
The wedding and the harvest are all part and parcel of the same motif.
This places the harvest and judgment in the 1st century AD.
In my opinion, there is no earthly 1,000 year reign. That happened in the first century. Rev 20 does not mention anything about Jesus ruling and reigning on earth. It depicts thrones in heaven and saints ruling and reigning with Christ until the symbolic 1,000 years is over. This ends a little before 70 A.D. so that Satan can be released and gather the enemies of God for the spiritual battle of Armageddon and the destruction of the Jews in the city. Rev 19 & 20 cover both these perspectives in my opinion. One is from the earthly perspective (beast and false prophet) in Rev 19: 17-21 and the other is from the heavenly/spiritual perspective (Satan) in Revelation 20: 7-10. They are the same battle called "the war" in Scripture. Also talked about in Ezekiel 38 & 39. The birds feasting from Ezekiel 38 & 39 is mentioned in Rev 19 and the phrase "Gog and Magog" is mentioned in Rev 20: 7-10.
Thanks. A Latin etymology for the term, and even a Jesuit as the first who wrote on the subject, don't support the notion that the view is either inherently pro-Catholic or heretical (not your term). Claiming such is a genetic fallacy.
I understand that you believe in the historicist view. I'll be investigating that as well. I have done a cursory scan of three of the four views, and have found flaws in all of them so far.
The problem with most "theologies" is failure to correctly identify the whore of Babylon in John's Revelation as 1st century Jerusalem.
Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee.
Any theology misidentifying the whore is in error.
Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee.
Any theology misidentifying the whore is in error.
Rev 18:24 "And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth.”
Now the word prophets might be referring to both Old Testament prophets and to New Testament Apostles.
See the wording is that the blood was found [buried] in her. Just like a secret from the past.
"All who have been slain on the earth" this encompasses all those killed over thousands of years.
The Roman Catholic Church is a manifestation of the 2nd beast of Revelation, which is of the 1st beast of Revelation, which is of the beasts of Daniel. It's all a succession of sorts.
The beasts are all different and yet are all one in the same.
This is how the Roman Catholic Church of present (chp. 17 Whore of Babylon) and of the future (chp. 18 The Fall of Babylon) has in her the blood of the apostles and prophets from the past.
Chapter 18 Babylon = Chapter 17 whore of babylon = The Roman Catholic Church
Now the word prophets might be referring to both Old Testament prophets and to New Testament Apostles.
See the wording is that the blood was found [buried] in her. Just like a secret from the past.
"All who have been slain on the earth" this encompasses all those killed over thousands of years.
The Roman Catholic Church is a manifestation of the 2nd beast of Revelation, which is of the 1st beast of Revelation, which is of the beasts of Daniel. It's all a succession of sorts.
The beasts are all different and yet are all one in the same.
This is how the Roman Catholic Church of present (chp. 17 Whore of Babylon) and of the future (chp. 18 The Fall of Babylon) has in her the blood of the apostles and prophets from the past.
Chapter 18 Babylon = Chapter 17 whore of babylon = The Roman Catholic Church
If this so when did the Jews get punished for shedding the blood of the prophets?
You have your opinion and I have the Word of God. Revelation 20 states explicitly that those that had previously died came back to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. In 70AD how many of those that died came back to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years? The answer, not a single one because this is a future event and therefore has not happened yet.
Revelation 20:1-5
1Then I saw an angel descending from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the abyss and a huge chain. 2 He seized the dragon—the ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan—and tied him up for a thousand years. 3 The angel then threw him into the abyss and locked and sealed it so that he could not deceive the nations until the one thousand years were finished. (After these things he must be released for a brief period of time.)
4 Then I saw thrones and seated on them were those who had been given authority to judge. I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. These had not worshiped the beast or his image and had refused to receive his mark on their forehead or hand. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were finished.)
There has been no mention in historical records whatsoever about the rest of the dead that came back to life after the thousand years was finished
The Apostle John wrote Revelation in 81-96
It is absurd to consider even a brief moment.....that Christ-God would be speaking to the seven Churches and not mention My Kingdom has now come.......
In fact the Church at Pergamos HE TELLS THEM SATAN STILL KEEPS HIS SEAT OF POWER THERE NOT POSSIBLE IF HE WENT FOR A SWIM IN THE LOF ALREADY
THIS PRETERIST STUFF IS PLAYING WITH FIRE THAT CAN GET YOU REMOVED FROM THE LAMBS BOL FOR FOOLING WITH REVELATION
BEST CHECK YOURSELF AND LEAVE IT ALONE !!!!!!
It is absurd to consider even a brief moment.....that Christ-God would be speaking to the seven Churches and not mention My Kingdom has now come.......
In fact the Church at Pergamos HE TELLS THEM SATAN STILL KEEPS HIS SEAT OF POWER THERE NOT POSSIBLE IF HE WENT FOR A SWIM IN THE LOF ALREADY
THIS PRETERIST STUFF IS PLAYING WITH FIRE THAT CAN GET YOU REMOVED FROM THE LAMBS BOL FOR FOOLING WITH REVELATION
BEST CHECK YOURSELF AND LEAVE IT ALONE !!!!!!
How could those who were not even born yet in 70AD be included in the great white throne judgement? It makes absolutely no sense.
I think it's pretty plain John in his Revelation states who was responsible for the the blood of prophets etc,
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
We know that the RC church was not guilty of the blood of the apostles when John tells them to rejoice:
Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
We know that the RC church was not guilty of the blood of the apostles when John tells them to rejoice:
Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
Revelation is dated to 81-96 John would have had held the book 12-15 yrs to have written it before 70.....
Then what would be the point.....none of it would mean anything because
The KINGDOM would have already COME....
Plus it says....
SATAN STILL SITS IN HIS SEAT AT PERGAMOS.....
NOT POSSIBLE......If he had already been sent for a swim in the LOF!
