Not By Works

[Goodnewsman]

You seem loathe to just admit that there are no Scriptures showing Judas cast out unclean spirits.

LOL are you serious.....what have you been reading this morning. Here is enough Bible to choke a Texas mule

And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach, And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:
Mark 3:14‭-‬15 KJV

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Matthew 10:5‭, ‬7‭-‬8 KJV

Now this is really gonna knock your socks off, put seat belt on...LOL

remember when you read the follow Jesus is talking to ALL 12

But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Matthew 10:19‭-‬20 KJV

How could the Spirit speak through this devil Judas?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Hi Goodnewsman, read John 17:12, decon is right, "Judas Iscariot was "Lost and doomed to destruction."

Apart from mishandling scripture and coming to wrong conclusions your sympathies should be with the One who laid down His life for the human race not sympathetic for the one who deceived our Savior.

John 17:12
While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

@Goodnewsman is 100% right.

Jesus gave him the direct order to go and teach and preach and heal in Mathew 10 when the TWELVE Apostles are sent out.

Can satan serve God?
This would be a house divided against itself.

Jesus was limited in His knowledge...He said so Himself.
Mark 13:32

Judas most probably believed he was helping Jesus.
Jesus even told him to go and do what he had to do QUICKLY...sounded like Jesus was giving him the go ahead.
John 13:27
"As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. So Jesus told him, "What you are about to do, do quickly."

 

[TruthTalk]

"Who forced you to respond to my boring post?" You starting ..... talking....to .......me.......an....... sorry I'm so bored I feel asleep. You can go back to your echo chamber now, sorry to have Disturbed you

Good bye Good-liberal-news-man, yes bleeding heart liberals are absolutely the most boring people on the planet with no exceptions.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I do not reject that......only that Judas didn't start out that way......Acts 1 is plain "Judas by transgression fell"

Judas was tempted to sin and betray. The same as you and I????

Right.
If Judas fell, what did he fall from?

When the N.T. speaks of falling away,,,,it is referring to our faith.

So if Judas feel away, he must have been saved and then became lost.
It's those that believe in OSAS that cannot accept this and prefer to believe that when Jesus sent Judas out with the other 12,,, He must not have known what He was doing. (!!)
Matthew 10:1.......

 

[Budman]

That's not the question here.

The other member stated that God's agape love is for everyone.
I'm not talking about those Jesus died for . He said everyone.

So what I'm asking is:
Does God's agape love extend to murderers. (IMO the extreme of sin)

Does God's love extend to liars? How about blasphemers? Thieves? Fornicators?

A single sin will send you to hell. Be it murder, or telling a lie.

Even one who hates. The Bible says it's the same as murder.

If God's love is extended to liars, it's extended to murderers as well.

 

[GodsGrace101]

So you think your sinless?

Yeah. You just don't understand I'm afraid.

@FollowHisSteps has a goal in mind.
We should be aiming to become better and better.

I didn't hear him say he never sins.
This is what YOU hear.....

 

[FollowHisSteps]

So you think your sinless?

I do not think anything. I walk with a clean conscience and resolve issues as they appear.
I take Pauls position

I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.
My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.
Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.
1 Cor 4:3-5

Our hearts walk in Christ, yoked to Him, listening and learning.
We are slaves to righteousness.

I thought you claimed to know God and His word.

 

[Budman]

...... response ...... ever

Yes, yours certainly was.

 

[Goodnewsman]

Please so where judas did not start that way

And again, judas by transgression fell from being a disciple. Not from salvation. Many pastors have fallen because of transgression and no longer pastor.

Did Judas eat the bread from heaven to be saved. Yes or no?

How could Jesus give the Spirit to an unsaved man to preach the gospel?

 

[BillG]

That's not the question here.

The other member stated that God's agape love is for everyone.
I'm not talking about those Jesus died for . He said everyone.

So what I'm asking is:
Does God's agape love extend to murderers. (IMO the extreme of sin)

But did not Jesus die for everyone?
Even those who do not place thier faith in him.

Are you talking about believers who commit murder? (Not that I have met any)

 

[Budman]

How could Jesus give the Spirit to an unsaved man to preach the gospel?

An unsaved man can preach the gospel. What's stopping him?

Even a possessed woman told the truth when she followed Paul around:

She said, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved!" (Acts 16:17)

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Yeah. You just don't understand I'm afraid.

@FollowHisSteps has a goal in mind.
We should be aiming to become better and better.

I didn't hear him say he never sins.
This is what YOU hear.....

I am still amazed at a believer who says to another, you do not know God at all.
You may as well light a bomb beneath their feet and destroy them.

I did ask earlier how he felt about me, and he took the long way around......

Sadly there is obviously little real spiritual connection or even an attempt at such.

Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails.
1 Cor 13:6-8

 

[Goodnewsman]

Good bye Good-liberal-news-man, yes bleeding heart liberals are absolutely the most boring people on the planet with no exceptions.

Well sir, now I'm really confused. You probably didn't get the memo but you guys are supposed to be calling me a legalist not a liberal...... Just ask the rest of the OSAS group.

 

[Goodnewsman]

An unsaved man can preach the gospel. What's stopping him?

Even a possessed woman told the truth when she followed Paul around:

She said, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved!" (Acts 16:17)

But Bud... Can he do it with the Spirit of God and still not be saved?

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Well sir, now I'm really confused. You probably didn't get the memo but you guys are supposed to be calling me a legalist not a liberal...... Just ask the rest of the OSAS group.

Goodnewsman - TruthTalk as been in ER recently and maybe on serious medication at the moment, so maybe not up to speed at the moment

 

[Budman]

But Bud... Can he do it with the Spirit of God and still not be saved?

He can preach it and not believe it. And people can certainly get saved from hearing the message.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Yes, yours certainly was.

Thanks for the complement ..... I agree what I said was accurate, to the point and real.

For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.
1 cor 1:25

 

[BillG]

Jesus was limited in His knowledge...He said so Himself.
Mark 13:32

Is that true concerning Judas?

John 6:66-71
66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” 71 He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.

It seems he said this a while before (not sure of the timeframe, but recall reading somewhere that it was probably about a year before Judas betrayed him) Judas betrayed him if we read the rest of John from C6 on.

I do have to say though that I can't say that he knew it was Judas who would betray him in C6.

V71 seems to speak after the event as clarification, even though we do not need it.
Because we all know it was him.

 

[Goodnewsman]

Please so where judas did not start that way

And again, judas by transgression fell from being a disciple. Not from salvation. Many pastors have fallen because of transgression and no longer pastor.

Did Judas eat the bread from heaven to be saved. Yes or no?

Im sure You have had to add that line throughout your Bible "NOT FROM SALVATION". cause just to be fair to our readers the Bible didn't say that you added it

 

[Budman]

Thanks for the complement ..... I agree what I said was accurate, to the point and real.

What you said about me was not accurate at all. The reason I focus on the sin issue is so as to turn it around on those who throw the sins of others in their faces, while sinning the same as everyone else. Self-righteous hypocrites bug me to no end.