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Well i guess he could have removed his sons free will? Are you saying you would not go get your son?
The kind of father who loves his son, should his father have made him prisoner? You are supporting calvinism with this line of reasoning
He was, but he was still his fathers som, he had his fathers dna and blood flowing through his veins, you can not take that away, no one can.
[/quote]This boy had to make the choice to go back to the father house just like every backslider must do[/QUOTE]
Well he did, god also blessed him and allowed him to live long enouh to do it, but if the child died before then, the father would have done what fathers do.
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Perfection = no sin, zero zip nana,
if you commit even the smallest of all sins, you dead, cursed, have no hope apart from grace, you asking god to,fogive you a millions times will not help. You have to recieve his grace gift, where he said he will go ve you eternal life, if you do not have it, your doomed
if you commit even the smallest of all sins, you dead, cursed, have no hope apart from grace, you asking god to,fogive you a millions times will not help. You have to recieve his grace gift, where he said he will go ve you eternal life, if you do not have it, your doomed
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And that changes anything
Lets say your right, and they are remmited and conversion, you better hope you never sin again, because once you do, your done. There is no more conversion.
Jesus paid for my personal sin on the cross, my unforgivable sin was stopped the moment of my conversion (unbelief).
Again, unbelief is the cause of damnation, not sin, jesus payed it all.
Lets say your right, and they are remmited and conversion, you better hope you never sin again, because once you do, your done. There is no more conversion.
Jesus paid for my personal sin on the cross, my unforgivable sin was stopped the moment of my conversion (unbelief).
Again, unbelief is the cause of damnation, not sin, jesus payed it all.
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No, he does not mock himself, he promised you eternal life the moment you believed, and with that many promises,
Your trying to earn salvatin by your own power and not relying on God who saved you
I confess my sin too, and while i do it, i thank God for forgiving me, otherwise, i woupd have no hope. Because there is no way possible i can remember every sin to confess them.
Your trying to earn salvatin by your own power and not relying on God who saved you
I confess my sin too, and while i do it, i thank God for forgiving me, otherwise, i woupd have no hope. Because there is no way possible i can remember every sin to confess them.
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You are not yoked to Jesus or listen to Him.
However you put your concepts, they do not address the issue.
You are like the vegan who cannot kill any living thing forgetting the body kills bacteria every day.
You define sin in such a general way, it is meaningless.
If you are not yoked to Jesus or listen to Him, why will He forgive you when you meet face to face?
However you put your concepts, they do not address the issue.
You are like the vegan who cannot kill any living thing forgetting the body kills bacteria every day.
You define sin in such a general way, it is meaningless.
If you are not yoked to Jesus or listen to Him, why will He forgive you when you meet face to face?
I have perfection in Jesus. If I sin what does the bible say
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9
So when we find we have sinned, we confess it and accept the forgiveness we have in Christ.
This is the walk of perfection. It is why we have the temple example, so that if we fail in the struggles we have
a way through and out. Paul described this as a walk of glory
And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit
2 Cor 3:18
I hope that all His people experience this more and more as they learn to follow and obey His saving word.
But it seems others believe the very walk of glory is not the walk of salvation. Obviously they do not know this walk
or else they would not condemn it so.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9
So when we find we have sinned, we confess it and accept the forgiveness we have in Christ.
This is the walk of perfection. It is why we have the temple example, so that if we fail in the struggles we have
a way through and out. Paul described this as a walk of glory
And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit
2 Cor 3:18
I hope that all His people experience this more and more as they learn to follow and obey His saving word.
But it seems others believe the very walk of glory is not the walk of salvation. Obviously they do not know this walk
or else they would not condemn it so.
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Am I in Jesus and walking with Him or in your doubting house, looking at conditions which exclude me from the reality of Jesus?
Jesus says He will keep me safe, so I rejoice in this. Because He is my foundation, I cannot say what I would be without Him except lost. I know if I deny Him and walk away I have no hope, but why would I and what would deny me from His fellowship?
Is this the salvation you claim I say can be lost? I think you are talking about a different salvation that you may have, but I doubt I really know what you are talking about or that I am interested.
If Jesus has you, then how can one ever fall? But if you doubt this reality, the promise is often all one has as reassurance.
What is better? Reality or reassurance?
Jesus says He will keep me safe, so I rejoice in this. Because He is my foundation, I cannot say what I would be without Him except lost. I know if I deny Him and walk away I have no hope, but why would I and what would deny me from His fellowship?
Is this the salvation you claim I say can be lost? I think you are talking about a different salvation that you may have, but I doubt I really know what you are talking about or that I am interested.
If Jesus has you, then how can one ever fall? But if you doubt this reality, the promise is often all one has as reassurance.
What is better? Reality or reassurance?
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I am glad you are yoked to Jesus and pulling the load with Him, listening and following.Doesn't matter. The point I was trying to make is any sin not atoned for, it would require Jesus coming back and shedding more blood for those sins. Which is what makes this....
.....ridiculous. What becomes of people born in the future? Are their sins already paid for or not? Does their pardon await the moment they believe? If not, Jesus has got to come back and die again. When Jesus died for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2) was that the sins of only the people of the world at that time - or for all time?
If forgiveness of sins is available to everyone in the future, then those sins have already been paid for. Because without the shedding of blood, there is NO remission of sins.
Is Jesus coming back to shed more blood?
Which brings us to this nonsense...
"He has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before Him." (Colossians 1:22)
The fact you claim to be a pastor makes me sad for your congregation.
.....ridiculous. What becomes of people born in the future? Are their sins already paid for or not? Does their pardon await the moment they believe? If not, Jesus has got to come back and die again. When Jesus died for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2) was that the sins of only the people of the world at that time - or for all time?
If forgiveness of sins is available to everyone in the future, then those sins have already been paid for. Because without the shedding of blood, there is NO remission of sins.
Is Jesus coming back to shed more blood?
Which brings us to this nonsense...
"He has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before Him." (Colossians 1:22)
The fact you claim to be a pastor makes me sad for your congregation.
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Which brings me back to my original question to you, Fran; Do you still sin? If so, you are indeed carrying out the desires of your flesh.
How many times a day do you sin, Fran? At what number does it make you a slave?
And you should learn this: "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us;" (Titus 3:5)
Saved (past tense) by His mercy without works, and yet you claim now we have to continue to "earn" it by our works?
How many times a day do you sin, Fran? At what number does it make you a slave?
And you should learn this: "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us;" (Titus 3:5)
Saved (past tense) by His mercy without works, and yet you claim now we have to continue to "earn" it by our works?
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