Can people be a Christian and a Karaite Jew simultaneously?
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This is a very unrealistic thought! Jesus Christ, Yeshua, is the King of all who worship Yahweh, kGod, and at best He could be said to be of the faith of Abraham, but He belongs to no sect……..Jews as an umbrella term for the various sects starting with the Pharisess and the Sadducees are nothing more than sects, not truly of the faith of Abraham, and frankly not truly descended of his faith. To lump Jesus into any of the sects is like saying He was a Catholic or a Baptist etc.
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I think the one causes the other to be abolished.
So they would feel pretty dumb still doing the things they know are fulfilled and abolished.
Like a Christian sacrificing animals for an atonement. That person would know that's not where their atonement comes from and that the whole ceremony is useless.
They might celebrate the festivals to be with their families knowing Who it points to and how they were fulfilled. Not that they would think it would be mandatory or some future thing waiting to be fulfilled.
Ultimately I think a real Christian trying to perform OT ceremonies and laws will feel like they are insulting Christ and what He has done.
Revelation 3:15-18
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
So they would feel pretty dumb still doing the things they know are fulfilled and abolished.
Like a Christian sacrificing animals for an atonement. That person would know that's not where their atonement comes from and that the whole ceremony is useless.
They might celebrate the festivals to be with their families knowing Who it points to and how they were fulfilled. Not that they would think it would be mandatory or some future thing waiting to be fulfilled.
Ultimately I think a real Christian trying to perform OT ceremonies and laws will feel like they are insulting Christ and what He has done.
Revelation 3:15-18
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
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What distinguishes Jews from all others? Torah. All the sacrifices, all the miscellaneous laws, all the feasts, tithing, sabbath years, Jubilee... oh... and having actual Levites and priests to help you with tying your tassels properly.
So, the answer to your question is an emphatic NO.
So, the answer to your question is an emphatic NO.
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Christians ask all Jews to give up their Jewishness if they accept Christ. I am asking if you think they can keep all their Jewishness and accept Christ. Not their man made laws, but the Jewishness that scripture tells them they must always have. Scripture does not tell anyone Jews always have to kill animals for the innocent blood that is used for forgiveness, scripture does not say that diets always have to be kosher to lead them in keeping clean in all ways. Karaite Jews go by scripture not tradition.
Grandpa goes on about the sacrificial system, saying it would mean they would have to kill animals for forgiveness today even if they accepted Christ. That is a ridiculous thought. It is also ridiculous of Christians to not study the sacrificial system to better understand what Christ does for us. It is as if they think God isn't even worthy enough to have told truths necessary for us to know.
Grandpa goes on about the sacrificial system, saying it would mean they would have to kill animals for forgiveness today even if they accepted Christ. That is a ridiculous thought. It is also ridiculous of Christians to not study the sacrificial system to better understand what Christ does for us. It is as if they think God isn't even worthy enough to have told truths necessary for us to know.
Yes, because I am a Messianic Jew that believes ALL the OT but I do not fallow the Midrash or Talmud, al though, I think I can get a lot of insight from them that "Christians" lack. But I am saved by grace through my Messiah, Y-shua and am going to heaven by Him and Him alone!!!! I have been Saved since February 199; I hope in almost 30 years I am still Saved....lol....lol...Even though I fallow and believe in fallowing Biblical Law.... All the rest of you.... If your saved it's by grace, in Messiah, alone. You have to work out your own Salvation about Biblical Law.
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I believe you have me on Ignore, so this is for the sake of other readers.
God tells us clearly through Paul and James that the law (as given through Moses) is a unit, not a buffet of options. You either abide by the entire law (including the sacrifices!) or you are under a curse. There is no middle ground. What is called Judaism today is not the same as Judaism of two thousand years ago, because the blood sacrifices were the core of it.
Jesus Christ's death and resurrection freed the believing Jews from the law. It didn't free them only from the sacrificial system as many think. The Jews are either under the law (and therefore under condemnation for their failure to keep it) or they are not under it by reason of faith in Jesus Christ.
Christians don't ask Jews to give up their Jewishness; rather, Jesus tells them that, in Him, they can be free from it. There is a massive difference.
God tells us clearly through Paul and James that the law (as given through Moses) is a unit, not a buffet of options. You either abide by the entire law (including the sacrifices!) or you are under a curse. There is no middle ground. What is called Judaism today is not the same as Judaism of two thousand years ago, because the blood sacrifices were the core of it.
Jesus Christ's death and resurrection freed the believing Jews from the law. It didn't free them only from the sacrificial system as many think. The Jews are either under the law (and therefore under condemnation for their failure to keep it) or they are not under it by reason of faith in Jesus Christ.
Christians don't ask Jews to give up their Jewishness; rather, Jesus tells them that, in Him, they can be free from it. There is a massive difference.
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Not knowing what is meant by "keeping all their Jewishness." There is the "keeping of the Passover", which is unto all generations. This means the "sacrificing" of a lamb. Which, by this "keeping of their Jewishness", is in direct conflict with the "crucifixion" of Christ on the cross.
So, no! They could not be Christian!
If they are Messianic, then they wouldn't, or couldn't be Karaite.
And, if they were Karaite, they wouldn't or couldn't be Messianic.
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No! We are a race as well as a "religion" and for some reason non Jews do not understand we are a race, created by G-d.... Your Messiah is a Jew... He is a Jew now sitting at the right hand of G-d, He is returning as Jew.... He NEVER ASKED US TO BE FREE FROM OUR RACE THAT HE CREATED!!!!
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Let's clarify something here: what do mean by "keep all their Jewishness?"
If "keeping their Jewishness" means trusting in the works of the law as a requirement for salvation, then no, they cannot trust in the law and trust in Christ for salvation. Your either trusting in Christ as the One who provided salvation for you, completely and fully, or your trusting in your own works. Here is what Paul had to say about salvation by grace through faith vs. the works of the law:
"What then will we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because their pursuit was not by faith, but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone."
That doesn't mean that a Jew cannot observe their feasts and heritage, just as long as they are trusting in Christ for their salvation and not the keeping of those things.
If "keeping their Jewishness" means trusting in the works of the law as a requirement for salvation, then no, they cannot trust in the law and trust in Christ for salvation. Your either trusting in Christ as the One who provided salvation for you, completely and fully, or your trusting in your own works. Here is what Paul had to say about salvation by grace through faith vs. the works of the law:
"What then will we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because their pursuit was not by faith, but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone."
That doesn't mean that a Jew cannot observe their feasts and heritage, just as long as they are trusting in Christ for their salvation and not the keeping of those things.
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Silly on line.... I wish we were face to face.... I am always emotional with a BIG HUG!!!!! If I need to say I'm sorry, well I say it, but it is not sincere because in my mind I did not say anything wrong.
Too many people do not know the difference between race and religion... I did not get from your post you did, so I am actually sorry about that.... Darn on-line … We just don't know people!
Too many people do not know the difference between race and religion... I did not get from your post you did, so I am actually sorry about that.... Darn on-line … We just don't know people!
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It seems to me that when gentiles get so caught up in the fact that God is so holy that we can never work so well we can attain that so God forgives based on our faith that they toss out the beautiful, holy, divine law.
I think there are postings here by a Jew that says it is possible to accept salvation through grace and also work at obeying God's laws.
I think there are postings here by a Jew that says it is possible to accept salvation through grace and also work at obeying God's laws.
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No, salvation is by grace through faith. I repeat, anyone who is trusting in their own works to obtain salvation, is not trusting in Christ who accomplished the law on our behalf. The scriptures is as follows:
"God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. 9Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it." (Eph.2:8-9)
The word of God states that the man who puts himself/herself under the law is obligated to keep the whole law, which no one can do and which was accomplished by Christ. And that when you break it in one place, you've broken the whole law. We are saved by trusting solely in the Lord as the One who provided salvation for us. Whenever we bring in our works as a requirement for salvation, it is like saying that the Lord's sacrifice was insufficient.
Jesus came to fulfill the law, satisfying it completely. He did not meet the righteous requirements of the law to perpetuate it, i.e. keep it going.
"For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God."
We preach Christ crucified, not the keeping of the law.
"Haven't you ever read that "The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. For sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power."
"God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. 9Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it." (Eph.2:8-9)
The word of God states that the man who puts himself/herself under the law is obligated to keep the whole law, which no one can do and which was accomplished by Christ. And that when you break it in one place, you've broken the whole law. We are saved by trusting solely in the Lord as the One who provided salvation for us. Whenever we bring in our works as a requirement for salvation, it is like saying that the Lord's sacrifice was insufficient.
Jesus came to fulfill the law, satisfying it completely. He did not meet the righteous requirements of the law to perpetuate it, i.e. keep it going.
"For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God."
We preach Christ crucified, not the keeping of the law.
"Haven't you ever read that "The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. For sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power."
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