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Yes, we are sons by promise but because in our flesh dwells no good thing; we might want to become slaves to obedience. We are creatures of habit, after all.
Romans 6:17-23 "But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification. For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord (ESV)."
I like the way Paul puts it. Willing slavery so we can become sons and co-inheritors.
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Can't get any more simple than that!
YOU stay close to God and follow His ways and you'll NEVER have to worry about loss of salvation because you're a child of God and will always be one as long as you stay close to Him.
And remember that He will always forgive your sins when you're sorry about them.
1 John 1:8-10
1 John 2:1
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Who said the NC was written to the Jews?
Did they say that all the writings after the Gospels were written to the Jews?
If so can you quote the post where that was said.
Because I would have to disagree.
After all we know Paul took the Gospel to the gentiles and Jesus came for the Jews
Did they say that all the writings after the Gospels were written to the Jews?
If so can you quote the post where that was said.
Because I would have to disagree.
After all we know Paul took the Gospel to the gentiles and Jesus came for the Jews
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You are correct; God perfects obedience in us.
What is this perfect obedience in us and how does it manifest in us?
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God bless you. You know what yuo just said, the words i have said about the BAPTISM debate here. I said in the baptismal regeneration thread that this is a useless argument because if we just followed the Bible and got baptized INSTANTLY we wouldnt have to worry about if its required or not, since every is baptized!
I now declare this debate USELESS as well! Like you said: If we are walking in the light even as He is in the light, WE DONT GOTTA WORRY or know about conditional or unconditional or losable or not losable, ITS IRRELEVANT, if we walk in faith to Jesus!
I now declare this debate USELESS as well! Like you said: If we are walking in the light even as He is in the light, WE DONT GOTTA WORRY or know about conditional or unconditional or losable or not losable, ITS IRRELEVANT, if we walk in faith to Jesus!
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You Got it !
The only people that debate this are those that want to live in sin (different from sinning) and still think they're saved.
This is not what the N.T. teaches.
Jesus said IF YOU LOVE ME,,,you will obey my commandments (teachings)....
And my commandments are not burdensome.
Mathew 11:28-30 Jesus said:
28“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
29“Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.
30“For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Praise Jesus for taking OUR yoke upon Himself and giving us rest from strife.
The only people that debate this are those that want to live in sin (different from sinning) and still think they're saved.
This is not what the N.T. teaches.
Jesus said IF YOU LOVE ME,,,you will obey my commandments (teachings)....
And my commandments are not burdensome.
Mathew 11:28-30 Jesus said:
28“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
29“Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.
30“For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Praise Jesus for taking OUR yoke upon Himself and giving us rest from strife.
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Rubbish
Matthew 10:5-8
Jesus Sends Out the Twelve Apostles
Matt 10:5-15 // Mark 6:6b-13 // Luke 9:1-6;
5 Jesus sent out the twelve apostles with these instructions: “Don’t go to the Gentiles or the Samaritans,6 but only to the people of Israel—God’s lost sheep.7 Go and announce to them that the Kingdom of Heaven is near.8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cure those with leprosy, and cast out demons. Give as freely as you have received!
I have proved nothing concerning the other member.
I was asking if said member said that all the epistles were written to the Jews only please quote it
Remember the NC had not started until Jesus died and rose again.
After that I said "Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.
The Gospel is Jesus which is what Paul took to the Gentiles. As I said.
Nice try Fran but no cigar
Matthew 10:5-8
Jesus Sends Out the Twelve Apostles
Matt 10:5-15 // Mark 6:6b-13 // Luke 9:1-6;
5 Jesus sent out the twelve apostles with these instructions: “Don’t go to the Gentiles or the Samaritans,6 but only to the people of Israel—God’s lost sheep.7 Go and announce to them that the Kingdom of Heaven is near.8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cure those with leprosy, and cast out demons. Give as freely as you have received!
I have proved nothing concerning the other member.
I was asking if said member said that all the epistles were written to the Jews only please quote it
Remember the NC had not started until Jesus died and rose again.
After that I said "Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.
The Gospel is Jesus which is what Paul took to the Gentiles. As I said.
Nice try Fran but no cigar
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HATH begotten us....
unto an inheritance
which is
incorruptible and undefiled
and that fadeth not away
reserved
kept by the power of God unto salvation
not by works....
by grace through faith and to him that works not... his faith is counted for righteousness
having not his own righteousness but the righteousness of Jesus Christ
it is so wonderful... the truth... untainted by doctrine of men which functions to cover Gods glory as if He doesnt finish what He starts
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So the perfect obedience is of faith?
Yet you then add we obey?
Obey to what?
Faith or works?
Faith I say which leads to works, obeying Jesus.
Our faith will be obedient even if our works are not.
Lack of good works and lack non good works.
But those who have genuine faith will not be happy in either case and will seek to be more like Jesus.
You know better
Yet you then add we obey?
Obey to what?
Faith or works?
Faith I say which leads to works, obeying Jesus.
Our faith will be obedient even if our works are not.
Lack of good works and lack non good works.
But those who have genuine faith will not be happy in either case and will seek to be more like Jesus.
You know better
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You've been hangin' with Dcon too much.
You even talk like he does.
Who were the other sheep Jesus was speaking about in
John 10:16
Who was the Wedding Banquet about?
Care to exegete that?
Mathew 22:1-13
1Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying,
2“The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son.
3“And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come.
4“Again he sent out other slaves saying, ‘Tell those who have been invited, “Behold, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and my fattened livestock are all butchered and everything is ready; come to the wedding feast.”’
5“But they paid no attention and went their way, one to his own farm, another to his business,
6and the rest seized his slaves and mistreated them and killed them.
7“But the king was enraged, and he sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and set their city on fire.
8“Then he said to his slaves, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy.
9‘Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there,invite to the wedding feast.’ 10“Those slaves went out into the streets and gathered together all they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests.
11“But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes,
12and he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?’ And the man was speechless.
13“Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
So, what do we learn from the above:
1. God invited the Jews to the Wedding Feast. These are the Hebrews from Abraham's time.
2. The Hebrews, Israelites and Jews always did not understand the message from God.
3. The Prophets of old were killed, as what happened in the O.T.
4. God sent His message to all, out in the streets, as had been promised in the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants. (Abraham would be the father of many...the gentiles).
5. The Wedding Hall was FULL of guests but one was not wearing the proper clothing.
That would be Jesus...
6. Those that do not have Jesus will be thrown out of the Wedding Banquet where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
(many who cry Lord, Lord, will NOT be saved because they did not follow Jesus' teachings and were not "dressed" with Him).
You even talk like he does.
Who were the other sheep Jesus was speaking about in
John 10:16
Who was the Wedding Banquet about?
Care to exegete that?
Mathew 22:1-13
1Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying,
2“The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son.
3“And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come.
4“Again he sent out other slaves saying, ‘Tell those who have been invited, “Behold, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and my fattened livestock are all butchered and everything is ready; come to the wedding feast.”’
5“But they paid no attention and went their way, one to his own farm, another to his business,
6and the rest seized his slaves and mistreated them and killed them.
7“But the king was enraged, and he sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and set their city on fire.
8“Then he said to his slaves, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy.
9‘Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find there,invite to the wedding feast.’ 10“Those slaves went out into the streets and gathered together all they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests.
11“But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes,
12and he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?’ And the man was speechless.
13“Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
So, what do we learn from the above:
1. God invited the Jews to the Wedding Feast. These are the Hebrews from Abraham's time.
2. The Hebrews, Israelites and Jews always did not understand the message from God.
3. The Prophets of old were killed, as what happened in the O.T.
4. God sent His message to all, out in the streets, as had been promised in the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants. (Abraham would be the father of many...the gentiles).
5. The Wedding Hall was FULL of guests but one was not wearing the proper clothing.
That would be Jesus...
6. Those that do not have Jesus will be thrown out of the Wedding Banquet where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
(many who cry Lord, Lord, will NOT be saved because they did not follow Jesus' teachings and were not "dressed" with Him).
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