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Time for a little offense.
Hey Silas, Here we are told NOTHING can separate us from Jesus. Why are preaching that we CAN be separated from Him?
37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Hey Silas, Here we are told NOTHING can separate us from Jesus. Why are preaching that we CAN be separated from Him?
37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Concerning your 101 verses. The bible is a big book, and different things are written to different people. When the rich young ruler asked Christ what he must do to inherit eternal life, why did Jesus not respond with John3:16? Because he knew the young man before he spoke to him. Different words for different situations/people. Your 101 verses are written for those who are willing to make a full commitment to Christ, they have counted the cost, it was not a shallow commitment, the verses I am giving you are for people who have not done so.
Emotional response/shallow, temporary belief is not falling away from nothing at all. Even though they fell away, their shallow, temporary belief was never firmly rooted and established from the start. Hence in the time of temptation, they fell away.
God knows the condition of everyone's heart and knows whether or not our commitment to Christ is shallow or for real. Jesus knew the heart of Judas Iscariot and called him a devil, yet to the rest of the disciples, he looked like the real deal. Why would God place someone with shallow belief which "falls short of firmly rooted consummated belief in Christ" in a saved state? All belief is not the same.
God knows the condition of everyone's heart and knows whether or not our commitment to Christ is shallow or for real. Jesus knew the heart of Judas Iscariot and called him a devil, yet to the rest of the disciples, he looked like the real deal. Why would God place someone with shallow belief which "falls short of firmly rooted consummated belief in Christ" in a saved state? All belief is not the same.
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Hey Silas, why are you preaching, like the enemy would, that someone can snatch us away from God the Father and His Son Jesus" Hands?
John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”
John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”
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here is some discernment - since we are saved by faith and trust in Christ, and that is done in the mind ( belief ), then really, truly the only ones who know who is really committed are the individual and God.
so, since you do not and cannot know the internal thoughts of others, you should get off your religious high horse and stop judging.
so, since you do not and cannot know the internal thoughts of others, you should get off your religious high horse and stop judging.
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Hey Silas, why are you trying to nullify our Lord's prayer where HE says He will lose NONE?
John 17:9-12 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep[a]through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them [b]in the world, I kept them in[c]Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is [d]lost except the son of [e]perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17:9-12 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep[a]through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them [b]in the world, I kept them in[c]Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is [d]lost except the son of [e]perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
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Hey Sials, Here again our Lord says He will lose NONE and raise us to life. Why you saying different?
John 6:38-40 New King James Version (NKJV)
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
I COULD GO ON AND ON ALL DAY! But you would rather attempt to nullify the promises of the Lord than embrace them!
John 6:38-40 New King James Version (NKJV)
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
I COULD GO ON AND ON ALL DAY! But you would rather attempt to nullify the promises of the Lord than embrace them!
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I will never understand, how can one be justified, yet not be justified all at the same time? Either we are saved and have eternal life like God promised based on his character and his gospel, or we spend our lives continually trying to save ourselves based on our character, there is no other option.
I will never understand, how can one be justified, yet not be justified all at the same time? Either we are saved and have eternal life like God promised based on his character and his gospel, or we spend our lives continually trying to save ourselves based on our character, there is no other option.
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Amen, i think we have those passages which hindered us, for me it was james 2, and acts 2:38. It really was not fun when you could not give an answer, let alone, answer it for yourself, but when God opens your eyes and you finally see, wow, what an amazing freedom you have been given!
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You need to greatly mature in the faith. The fact you obviously refuse to do so, leaves you with only half a bible as it were. And you have to close your eyes and ears to the other half. People who shared in the Holy Spirit fell away, that's in the bible to. So, once again:
Concerning your 101 verses. The bible is a big book, and different things are written to different people. When the rich young ruler asked Christ what he must do to inherit eternal life, why did Jesus not respond with John3:16? Because he knew the young man before he spoke to him. Different words for different situations/people. Your 101 verses are written for those who are willing to make a full commitment to Christ, they have counted the cost, it was not a shallow commitment, the verses I am giving you are for people who have not done so.
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Concerning your 101 verses. The bible is a big book, and different things are written to different people. When the rich young ruler asked Christ what he must do to inherit eternal life, why did Jesus not respond with John3:16? Because he knew the young man before he spoke to him. Different words for different situations/people. Your 101 verses are written for those who are willing to make a full commitment to Christ, they have counted the cost, it was not a shallow commitment, the verses I am giving you are for people who have not done so.
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No, I have one complete bible, you only have half a bible, and your understanding of it is greatly lacking, hence neither you or any other osas proponent could tell me why there is no contradiction by a righteousness apart from obeying the law and people being barred from heaven due to a sinfull lifestyle.
Far too many come on these websites, armed only with their selective scriptures, believing they have great knowledge of the truth when the opposite is true
Far too many come on these websites, armed only with their selective scriptures, believing they have great knowledge of the truth when the opposite is true
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You also have context, the context is going back to law.
The law said you can lose your eternal status, which is why once a year every year sacrifice had to be given, each sin over th past year had to be redeemed or the sinner would be judged.
The author asks a simple question, if (if it was possible) they fall away, they can never be renewed (resaved) and the fact is, they put christ to open shame (his sacrifice was not sufficient.
Then we got the next 2 verses...
7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.
Sound an awful lot like the bema seat, good silver precious stone, wood hay straw, rewards for work done, even if the reward is burned, the person is still saved, even though through fire! NEAR to being cursed no matter how you spin it, does not mean BEING cursed. So loss of salvation is not being spoken of here, period!
The law said you can lose your eternal status, which is why once a year every year sacrifice had to be given, each sin over th past year had to be redeemed or the sinner would be judged.
The author asks a simple question, if (if it was possible) they fall away, they can never be renewed (resaved) and the fact is, they put christ to open shame (his sacrifice was not sufficient.
Then we got the next 2 verses...
7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.
Sound an awful lot like the bema seat, good silver precious stone, wood hay straw, rewards for work done, even if the reward is burned, the person is still saved, even though through fire! NEAR to being cursed no matter how you spin it, does not mean BEING cursed. So loss of salvation is not being spoken of here, period!
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Shared in the Holy Spirit at first glance appears to support that true believers are being addressed, yet there are other ministries of the Holy Spirit that precede the indwelling of believers. It's plausible to envision an individual becoming a sharer in the Spirit (and His pre-salvation ministry - convicting of sin, righteousness and judgment to come) by responding for a time to His drawing power intended to lead sinners to Christ. The translation "shared" implies something done in company with others and before salvation all believers shared in the convicting ministry of the Holy Spirit Who draws them to salvation. Note also that the writer does not state that these individuals were "indwelt by the Holy Spirit" or "sealed by the Holy Spirit" or "possessors of the Spirit's pledge (guarantee) of future inheritance."
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