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This thread is 3 years and going strong.
You're right about EVERYTHING....
But it's a waste of time.....
You're right about EVERYTHING....
But it's a waste of time.....
Im putting them all on ignore, theres a hard core here who tell you, you are judaisers, legalists, phariseeical etc if you dare to quote the whole bible. Never get anywhere with them, I will move on to more mature debate
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Well I could be wrong, here we go with the silly attacks. I wonder if he even understood what I was trying to say.
I believe I used the word chasten, which means corrections, or training in righteousness. Which is different than inposing a penalty or judgment on someone who committed a crime. (the penalty or judgment of sin is death)
redemptin for sin to free a person from eternal condemnation does not remove the temporal chastening of people and the end results of personal sin. and how you can think otherwise? I just do not undertand
Hopefully you rethink what you just said, and realize there is a huge difference between justification from the penalty of sin on an eternal basis, and the temporal chastening of a child who has done wrong. Even an earthly father who adopted a kid who had no home and no hope, removing them from a place where they had no family, no hope and were basically dead, and brought them into their home and gave them hope and a family, still chastens that child when they do wrong. I mean really. come on now!!
Now your bordering on slander, I suggest you stop seeing what you want to see and see what I am actually saying.
Again, You need to stop this nonsense of slandering people If you have no desire to ask them what they believe, then stop. These accusations are in error. I do not believe these things, nor have I insinuated them. I have tried to talk to you in a peaceful annor. But making false accusations like ths will nto get you any brownie points.
Why do you destroy context? The thought here is the sins which were committed BEFORE THE CROSS. not my past sns, which were committed AFTER the cross
once again, If jesus did not pay for your future sins, Your lost without hope. because you have no means of redemption. You can NOT pay for your own sin!
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And the funny thing.....I have tried to engage her to give her the benefit of the doubt and she absolutely cannot be honest and or truthful.........just like the referenced post above.....I did not say what they have twisted my words to say....agreeing with a liar makes one a liar....
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You know I said enjoy our agreement while it lasts...……...lol
If Jesus only died for past sins, the believer must live their life under the law, when you think about it. Paul is adamant they do not. But there is a proviso:
If you are led by the Spirit you are not under law Gal5:18
What does that mean? Could it mean that if you are led by the Spirit you will never commit sin, for you sin in the flesh? If that were true, then everytime the believer commits a sin they are placed back under the law and do not have grace. Which in reality is righteousness of fully obeying the law.
And then Paul tells us that new converts will be seen to be sinners whilst they are seeking justification of their Christianity by faith in Christ(Gal2:16&17) So we really have to try and put it all together don't we. Just quoting an odd verse(I know you do not do that) will never do.
So how do I put all those verses together? I can only refer you to a previous post. The Christian sets out on the path, and though far from sinless they are still being led of the Holy Spirit in the truth of the Gospel message, to live an evermore holy life. So although they have sin, they are not under law but under grace, they have peace. But they can step outside of the true path they should be on, by committing adultery for example. Then the convert cannot say ''everything is fine, I am not under law but under grace, all my sins have been paid by Christ. Now they must come before God and seek forgiveness for their folly, and they will surely receive it, for they are part of God's family. Then, hopefully they get straight back on the path they should be on. The problem comes in a big way if they do not, they keep committing adultery say, their peace goes, their faith starts to suffer, and in the end, for some, the heart can be so hardened it is so difficult to find your way back.
I guess that makes me a judaizer to some lol
If Jesus only died for past sins, the believer must live their life under the law, when you think about it. Paul is adamant they do not. But there is a proviso:
If you are led by the Spirit you are not under law Gal5:18
What does that mean? Could it mean that if you are led by the Spirit you will never commit sin, for you sin in the flesh? If that were true, then everytime the believer commits a sin they are placed back under the law and do not have grace. Which in reality is righteousness of fully obeying the law.
And then Paul tells us that new converts will be seen to be sinners whilst they are seeking justification of their Christianity by faith in Christ(Gal2:16&17) So we really have to try and put it all together don't we. Just quoting an odd verse(I know you do not do that) will never do.
So how do I put all those verses together? I can only refer you to a previous post. The Christian sets out on the path, and though far from sinless they are still being led of the Holy Spirit in the truth of the Gospel message, to live an evermore holy life. So although they have sin, they are not under law but under grace, they have peace. But they can step outside of the true path they should be on, by committing adultery for example. Then the convert cannot say ''everything is fine, I am not under law but under grace, all my sins have been paid by Christ. Now they must come before God and seek forgiveness for their folly, and they will surely receive it, for they are part of God's family. Then, hopefully they get straight back on the path they should be on. The problem comes in a big way if they do not, they keep committing adultery say, their peace goes, their faith starts to suffer, and in the end, for some, the heart can be so hardened it is so difficult to find your way back.
I guess that makes me a judaizer to some lol
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I see you're flirting with married men again, Fran.
Better watch out, their wives may gang up on you.. LOL
Better watch out, their wives may gang up on you.. LOL
And I'm always saved anyway.....
so what could be the harm??
The law is dead, isn't it??
This is my last post.
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DCON said it takes years of growth and maturity for a believer to BEGIN bearing fruit. (see post 596 and 600)
I am against putting a timeframe too, but DCON isnt. See the posts
Saying it doesnt have to take years to bear fruit is not putting a timeframe on anything.
Have you read the posts that I gave you to look at .including 596 and 600 of God Lied?
What was DCON' meaning in those two posts. Go ahead and read them in context and let me know.
I know you already read one. But now you are saying I am lying.
I am against putting a timeframe too, but DCON isnt. See the posts
Saying it doesnt have to take years to bear fruit is not putting a timeframe on anything.
Have you read the posts that I gave you to look at .including 596 and 600 of God Lied?
What was DCON' meaning in those two posts. Go ahead and read them in context and let me know.
I know you already read one. But now you are saying I am lying.
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I should not bite, but for the sake of everyone else
Here is post 596
Here is post 600
And here is the post he referenced in the response to me
As you can see, None of them claim that God can not use anyone, so again this user is trying to draw things which are not there in order to attack other people.
Here is post 596
Here is post 600
And here is the post he referenced in the response to me
As you can see, None of them claim that God can not use anyone, so again this user is trying to draw things which are not there in order to attack other people.
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